David and Joe’s chat for the first half of the episode includes podcast sponsorship, getting free stuff, abandoned hobbies, looking busy (whilst not being busy) and the smoke and mirrors involved in press releases. During all of which, Joe realises he doesn’t have an actual boss and really appreciates it. He then tells David about a Direct Debit that he’s unknowingly been paying for months. He reckons he’s been scammed and is absolutely furious about it! So David digs in for the full story…

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