Dr. Jamila Michenerof Cornell University is our guest today. She shares her expertise and teaches us about the history of mindsets and structures set in place to help create and maintain the great lie in recent history and how those mindsets and structures continue to impact us today.

The interview with Dr. Michener begins at about 11:10. There was some unexplained static that we could not remove throughout her interview. We apologize for that but what she shares is more than worth the minor annoyance.

A transcript of the episode is attached and available with this episode. Please utilize it if the buzz is too annoying.