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Diane & Rick are taking a short break. To round out season four, they are featuring interviews where they were guests on other podcasts! This week, they share the interview they did with Sarah Edmondson and Nippy Ames of the A Little Bit Culty Podcast. Sarah and Nippy were featured on the popular HBO docuseries, The Vow, which explored the abuses of the NXIVM cult. In this interview, they discuss the similarities between cult leaders and parents who are pathological alienators.

The Balance of Gray
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