Michael and Jeff explore the themes of living as Christians in a world that often feels like an empire. They discuss the importance of community, the call to live honorably, and the challenge of embodying the way of the cross. The conversation delves into the role of the Christian community in society, the complexities of engaging with government, and the need for humility and love in the face of cultural challenges. They emphasize the ideal of a loving, sacrificial community while acknowledging the difficulties in achieving this vision.

00:00 Introduction and Banter

06:00 The Exile Mindset in the New Testament

11:56 Living as Exiles: Identity and Purpose

18:13 The Tension of Exile: Comfort vs. Distinction

24:13 The Call to Live Differently in a Secular World

29:53 Powerlessness and the Exilic Existence

31:43 Living in the Shadows of Empire

36:51 The Way of the Cross

48:49 The Role of the Christian Community

01:00:08 Engaging with Government and Culture