In this episode of the Disciple Making In Community podcast, host Ken Braddy and guest Dr. Todd Tanner discuss the dynamics of normative-sized churches, particularly focusing on the influence of matriarchs and patriarchs. They explore the challenges faced by interim pastors, the importance of discernment in leadership, and strategies for building trust with new leaders. The conversation emphasizes the need for integrity and wisdom in navigating church politics and the significance of fostering a collaborative leadership style.