Joe talks about what it was like being on the Chris Moyles radio show and how busy he has been promoting his book. David is feeling positive and is grateful they are podcasters and the pod is doing well. He has a feeling that this ep will be in the top 50. David has arranged a surprise present for Joe which arrives in the middle of the recording. It's in a massive box which gives the game away a bit. They decide the pod should be rebranded as the Mid Life Crisis pod. David suggests some local options for Joe to do some training in his new found hobby. Joe is excited to try his pressie out.

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