Trevor has a candid and revealing conversation with Sam Altman, who was ousted and then reinstated as CEO of OpenAI just 12 days ago. Sam recounts where he was when he received the brutal phone call, how it all really went down, and its emotional toll. Trevor and Sam also discuss ChatGPT’s explosive release last year, Sam's hopes for AI to better humankind, as well as its potential for evil if not governed properly.