In this podcast Bob Anderson @, Chairman of the Board of the and co-author of and , chats with Andy Cleff .  They explore the intersections between leadership and personal mastery, between competence and consciousness, and how organizations can achieve extraordinary performance at scale through the personal transformation of leaders - from reactive, to creative, to integral and beyond. Please support the Agile Uprising by making a contribution via Links Books Join the discourse via Support the Agile Uprising by making a contribution via