Two universities defended their admissions process before the Supreme Court on Monday. Starting with the University of North Carolina (with a Harvard tease), David and Sarah grapple with – and at times disagree about – the difficult questions at the heart of the hearing: how should we understand diversity? Is seeking justice for centuries of slavery and discrimination compatible with race neutrality? Who should bear the brunt of righting a historic wrong?

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