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Jonina (@JoninaTurzi) is cofounder of Lancaster Farm Sanctuary, a volunteer district leader for HSUS, & a doctor of physical therapy & yoga educator.
In Sentientist Conversations we talk about the two most important questions: “what’s real?” & “what matters?”
Sentientism is "evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings." The video of our conversation is here on YouTube.
We discuss:
0:00 Welcome
1:24 Jonina's Intro
- Lancaster Farm Sanctuary, physical therapy, yoga teaching, sobriety, queerness
2:33 What's Real?
- Hippie parents, social justice, civil rights
- Catholic father & schooling, more cultural than doctrinal
- Brethren Church family history
- Parents with a spiritual appreciation without buying into religious doctrine
- Feeling the freedom to explore "I just want you to be happy"
- "It felt like a human construct"
- Identifying as an atheist as a teenager
- Finding a beauty in the human body (& a sense of spiritual meaning) through an anatomy class
- Being bullied, as a "young queer kid", by members of "Youth for Christ"
- "I have no idea what's real"
- The lower & upper case "Self" in some Yoga practice
- Some things might always be unknowable
- Reverence, wonder & awe... openness
17:10 What (& who) Matters?
- Oneness & interconnectedness
- Unnecessary harm to sentient others
- Might plants have a kind of sentience? "I'm OK with saying we shouldn't harm plants unnecessarily"
- Seeing the similiarities between human and non-human animals through physiology
- "The idea that non-human animals aren't sentient is so bizarre to me"
- Movement & intent as indicators of sentience
- Are Roomba's sentient?
- Evolution, behaviour/comms, information processing as inferential evidence for sentience
- Intrinsic & instrumental value
- The ethical dangers of holistic/ecocentric thinking
- "Spirtual Bypassing"... rushing to find a purpose/meaning/spiritual goal while bypassing compassion & understanding
- Knowing very spiritual people who also own factory farms
- A local factory farm with a Bible verse written on it
- "The foundation of a spiritual practice is caring for others"
- Stages of moral development: Ego, ethno, anthropocentric...
37:30 Vegetarian to vegan
- Rebelling against Jonina's mother's vegetarianism as a teenager
- Being vegetarian. Not understanding dairy
- Seeing slaughterhouse footage & going vegan together with Jonina's partner
- Social indoctrination re: animal ethics & the supernatural
- Climate change
- The relationship between scarcity & morality. Is it harder to be moral under scarcity?
...and much more. Full show notes at Sentientism.info and on YouTube.
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Thanks for the post-prod Graham.
Thom Norman is the co-founder of FarmKind, a new non-profit focused on raising money for some of the best farmed animal charities. FarmKind is designed to help donors both have a big impact for animals and donate to the organisations they care about most. It allows users to split donations between an expert-recommended super-effective charity and their favourite charity, then provides a bonus on both.
In Sentientist Conversations we talk about the most important questions: “what’s real?”, “who matters?” and "how can we make a better world?"
Sentientism answers those questions with "evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings." The video of our conversation is here on YouTube.
00:00 Clips!
00:56 Welcome
- Cameron King episode
02:30 Thom's Intro
- Co-founding @farmkind
- "What's the thing I can do best... to tackle the
- Finding charities that do great work and making donating to those charities super-easy
03:44 What's Real?
- A very, very religious family "church is an integral part... of their worldview... also social structures"
- "Broadly a positive thing"
- Anglican, Church of England Christian
- Asking philosophical questions that "hit up against some bible verse or god - and that's the end of the conversation"
- Conversations with some Christians about animals:
- "As someone who increasingly... took the suffering of
- "You can think that humans matter more than animals
- "We can still agree on basic things like 'suffering
- The people working within religious communities to
- Reading religious apologetics and secular points of view
- "I don't know what I think... a pragmatic pragmatism?... what version of the world do I see that allows me to operate... to move through it... even if epistemically or ethically that's not 100% perfectly logically sound"
- Humility... "We need to be clear that we're not sure that we're right"
- Donating to the most effective charities "is not the only thing people care about"... so FarmKind allows donation splitting... head and heart donations
- The tension between different values... more rational and
- "It's very important we don't disregard those emotional reasons"
15:03 What Matters?
26:00 Who Matters?
38:24 A Better World?
01:08:37 Follow Thom and FarmKind
- Farmkind.giving (sign up to the newsletter!)
- @FarmKindThom
- Thom on LinkedIn
And more... full show notes at Sentientism.info.
Sentientism is “Evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings.” More at Sentientism.info. Join our "I'm a Sentientist" wall via this simple form.
Everyone, Sentientist or not, is welcome in our groups. The biggest so far is here on FaceBook. Come join us there!
Bill Wasik is the editorial director of The New York Times
In Sentientist Conversations we talk about the most important questions: “what’s real?”, “who matters?” and "how can we make a better world?"
Sentientism answers those questions with "evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings." The video of our conversation is here on YouTube.
00:00 Clips!
01:09 Welcome
- "Our Kindred Creatures" as an example of Sentientist History?
03:30 Monica and Bill's Intros
- Writing two books together: Rabid and Our Kindred
- "...Monica's interest in animals [as a veterinarian] that I think got me interested"
- Telling the story of how the animal welfare movement came to the USA in the decades after the civil war
- The emergence of the modern way of thinking about animals "some of them are like members of the family... others of them in huge numbers are excluded..."
- "Everyday people in cities... were living among all
07:18 What's Real?
- Meeting in a church youth group, Bill's family more devout than Monica’s
- "It was not a creationist church... there was a sense
- "'In a world in which there's no god why should we
- Links between religion, the abolition of slavery and
- "Today we're Unitarian Universalists... go to church
- "Our Unitarian church is a very humanist church...
- "There are also a lot of atheistic Unitarians... our
- "Whatever concept of god that I have wouldn't conform
- "We came back to religion because of our son... he
- "Even though we occupy three different spots in our
25:27 What and Who Matters?
52:43 A Better World?
01:12:27 Follow Bill and Monica
- @murphydvm
- @billwasik
- Our Kindred Creatures
And more... full show notes at Sentientism.info.
Sentientism is “Evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings.” More at Sentientism.info. Join our "I'm a Sentientist" wall via this simple form.
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Richard Twine is Reader in Sociology at Edge Hill University in the UK, working at the nexus of critical animal studies, environmental sociology, the sociology of climate change and gender studies. He is co-director of The Centre for Human Animal Studies, an interdisciplinary forum for research and activities that engage with the complex material, ethical and symbolic relationships between humans, other animals, and their environments. Richard is the author of many articles, papers and books for both academic audiences and the wider public, including "The Climate Crisis and Other Animals".
In Sentientist Conversations we talk about the most important questions: “what’s real?”, “who matters?” and "how can we make a better world?"
Sentientism answers those questions with "evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings." The video of our conversation is here on YouTube.
00:00 Clips!
00:43 Welcome
02:34 Richard's Intro
- Philosophy, psychology, history, natural sciences, bio-technology and sociology
- Ecofeminism (Carol Adams, Val Plumwood), Regan, Singer, then Critical Animal Studies
- The "flawed awakenings" of climate change awareness and non-human animal ethics
05:28 What's Real?
- Non-religious, implicitly atheist, socialist parents and
- Attending Sunday School with a Christian friend "It
- A religious teacher who "made us recite the Lord's
- Asking for an exemption from religious education at
- A materialist outlook "when we die, we die... decompose and feed the rest of nature... a kind of beautiful thing... I don't believe in an afterlife"
- Avoiding dogmatism about materialism. Interested in near-death experiences
- "I'm on board with that aspect of Sentientism -
- "There's a poor track record with religiosity and
- A hobbyist interest in UFOs and UAPs "stems from my
- Conspiracy theories and cover-ups "I'm sceptical but
- Richard's "'Alien' Disclosure and Critical Animal
32:59 Who Matters?
58:29 A Better World?
01:21:12 Follow Richard
- RichardTwine.com
- @RichardTwine
- The Centre for Human Animal Studies at Edge Hill University
- @CfHAS
- The Climate Crisis and Other Animals
And more... full show notes at Sentientism.info.
Sentientism is “Evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings.” More at Sentientism.info. Join our "I'm a Sentientist" wall via this simple form.
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Jesse Tandler is Managing Director of New Roots Institute. He oversees programming, people operations, and implementation of New Roots Institute's strategy. Jesse is a writer, academic, and has been an educator for nearly two decades. He earned a B.A. from UC Berkeley in 2002 and an MFA from the New School in 2007. Shortly
In Sentientist Conversations we talk about the most important questions: “what’s real?”, “who matters?” and "how can we make a better world?"
Sentientism answers those questions with "evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings." The video of our conversation is here on YouTube.
00:00 Clips!
01:09 Welcome
02:55 Jesse's Intro
- Continental philosophy, teaching food politics and running New Roots Institute (was the Factory Farming Awareness Coalition)
03:32 What's Real?
- Jewish pre-school
- "I assumed there was a god because that's what the adults told me"
- At 6-7 yrs old "It seemed slightly improbable to me
- At 4-5 yrs "I started getting really concerned about
- "I asked my dad and he said 'of course there's no god'... I felt validated actually"
- Next 15 years "a very atheistic worldview... probably
- "Very few atheists around me..." A 9th grade debate: "Is there a god... it was pretty much me against the class"
- "It became a point of identity for me... in middle
- "Some of my points of identity - like being a
- College at Berkeley, psychedelics "It opened me up to
- "Us looking at the universe is like a dog looking at
- 2 layers: phenomenon "what we experience" then
20:38 What Matters?
35:38 Who Matters?
46:47 A Better World?
01:19:29 Follow Jesse:
- New Roots Institute
- Jesse on LinkedIn
- @jmtandler
Sentientism is “Evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings.” More at Sentientism.info. Join our "I'm a Sentientist" wall via this simple form.
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Arran Stibbe is Professor in Ecological Linguistics at the University of Gloucestershire. In his teaching and research he focuses on how language makes us who we are as people, and the role of language in building the kind of society we live in, using discourse analysis and ecolinguistics. Ecolinguistics examines how language encodes the stories we live by, and shapes how we see ourselves and our relationship with other animals and the earth. This involves linguistic analysis of a wide range of discourses, from advertising which encourages people to buy unnecessary and ecologically damaging products, to the inspirational language of nature writing. He is founder of the International Ecolinguistics Association.
In Sentientist Conversations we talk about the most important questions: “what’s real?”, “who matters?” and "how can we make a better world?"
Sentientism answers those questions with "evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings." The video of our conversation is here on YouTube.
00:00 Clips!
01:00 Welcome
- "I'm a massive fan of Sentientism. It's a crystal clear worldview that you're expressing... it's an important message that needs to get out there."
- Arran's book "Econarrative"
03:39 Arran's Intro
- Ecological linguistics... "I get to analyse any kind
- Discourses from Men's Health magazine to the Pork industry handbook to nature poetry, creation stories... "positive ones and negative ones"
- "Searching for new stories to live by"
- Consulting with @greenpeace and others on messaging
- Stories... Ben Okri: "Stories are the secret reservoirs of values... if we change the stories that individuals and nations live by then we change the individuals and nations themselves"
- "If we pay careful attention to the language we can
- Stories as "cognitive models in our minds that
- Narrative: "A more traditional kind of story you might tell to children at bedtime... sequences of events..."
- "I would go with this #meme idea... but I think it's
- "Is it a simplification to think of a separate being... you wouldn't exist for more than a few minutes on your own in space... your continued existence depends on breathing..."
11:27 What's Real?
26:35 What and Who Matters?
46:15 A Better World?
& much more. Full notes at sentientism.info.
01:12:52 Follow Arran
- Arran at the University of Gloucestershire
- The Stories We Live By – the free online course
- The Ecolinguistics Association
- Stibbe, Arran (2024) Econarrative: ethics, ecology and the search for new narratives to live by. London: Bloomsbury
Sentientism is “Evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings.” More at Sentientism.info. Join our "I'm a Sentientist" wall via this simple form.
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This episode is a cross-post of my discussion with Louisa Jane Smith on "The RE Podcast". Her audience are some of the most important people in the world - religions and worldview teachers and their students. Make sure you go and subscribe there too.
As well as hosting the podcast Louisa is a Religious Education Teacher and Head of Life Skills at a school in England. She a member of the National Association for Teachers of Religious Education (NATRE) executive committee as well as being a public speaker and author. Louisa was also my guest on Sentientism episode 205 if you want to hear more about her philosophical journey so far.
If you're a teacher or are just interested, why not join our next free webinar on "Teaching the Sentientism Worldview"?
I hope you enjoy listening as much as I did talking - feedback and suggestions are always welcome. As ever I'm only one Sentientist so others will disagree!
I also wanted to extend a warm welcome to everyone who has recently joined one of our online Sentientism communities. More people join us there every day - whether they think of themselves as Sentientists or not. The groups are open to everyone. Just search for the word "Sentientism" on your favourite platforms
Soon we'll have 14,000 subscribers on YouTube too. It's great to have your support there.
Also check out the new "In action" section of Sentientism.info. We're building pages there about Sentientist Education, Politics, Rights, Economics, Justice, Agriculture, Environmentalism and more - come and help us work out what a more Sentientist world might look like.
A final thank you to Denise and Tarabella who found our secret Sentientism Patreon and are kindly contributing to our production costs - helping us steadily nudge the world
Thanks for listening!
Follow Louisa
- @TheREPodcast1
- The RE Podcast
- Louisa on Instagram
- The RE Podcast on Facebook
Sentientism is “Evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings.” More at Sentientism.info. Join our "I'm a Sentientist" wall via this simple form.
Everyone, Sentientist or not, is welcome in our groups. The biggest so far is here on FaceBook. Come join us there!
Maneesha Deckha is a law professor at the University of Victoria in British Columbia, Canada. Her work initially spanned human rights, injustice, feminist theory, post-colonial & decolonial theory and later, inter-species justice and its links and intersectionality with human social justice. Maneesha founded and directs the Animals & Society Research Initiative at Victoria University. She is the author of the book “Animals as Legal Beings”.
In Sentientist Conversations we talk about the most important questions: “what’s real?”, “who matters?” and "how can we make a better world?"
Sentientism answers those questions with "evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings." The video of our conversation is here on YouTube.
00:00 Clips!
00:55 Welcome
- Maneesha on The Animal Turn and Think Like a Vegan
- Claudia Hirtenfelder Sentientism episode
03:05 Maneesha's Intro
- "To consider how different oppressions for different
- Working long before and since the "Animal Turn"
- Research: animals legal subjectivity, animal ethics,
- "Addressing questions that affect women, that affect
- Starting and Directing the Animals & Society Research
- Public facing projects e.g. the "A Deeper Kindness" documentary
06:55 What's Real?
- Growing up in a Hindu household... celebrations, stories
- The radical diversity of Hinduism "all these gods and
- University courses on Hinduism and Buddhism
- "I always looked at that... as myth"
- The ethos of learning... being introduced to modernist,
- "I approached the world in a more secular, atheist
- "When we have a physical sensation or emotional
- Learning about social construction and the influence of
- "We can't really know something 100% for certain...
26:30 What Matters?
37:25 Who Matters?
01:07:47 A Better World?
01:15:50 Follow Maneesha
- “I’m of that age where I’m not too excited about social media”
- Maneesha at the University of Victoria
- A Deeper Kindness documentary series
- Human Children, Nonhuman Animals, and a Plant-Based Vegan Future
Everyone, Sentientist or not, is welcome in our groups. The biggest so far is here on FaceBook. Come join us there!
Joel is Assistant Professor of Philosophy at Loyola University New Orleans. After completing his B.A. in philosophy at the University of Akron, he was a United States Peace Corps Volunteer in Panama working in environmental education and sustainable development. He completed his doctorate in philosophy at the University of Tennessee. Joel was a scholar-in-residence at Wesleyan University in 2013 as the New York University Animal Studies Initiative’s Animal Ethics and Public Policy Fellow. He held visiting assistant professorships at Washington State University and Binghamton University, SUNY, before coming to Loyola. His main areas of research are applied ethics, especially environmental ethics, and the philosophy of science. One of his many academic publications is "Minding Nature: A Defense of a Sentiocentric Approach to Environmental Ethics".
In Sentientist Conversations we talk about the most important questions: “what’s real?”, “who matters?” and "how can we make a better world?"
Sentientism answers those questions with "evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings." The video of our conversation is here on YouTube.
00:00 Clips!
00:50 Welcome
- Joel's PhD thesis re: #sentiocentrism
- Our Sentientism FaceBook group where Joel is a member
02:47 Joel's Intro
- Asst Prof of philosophy at Loyola
- Director-elect of the environment programme
- Coaching the Ethics Bowl
- Institutional Review Board and animal usage ethicist
- Peace Corps volunteering in Panama
- Analytic philosophy focus
- Applied, environmental, animal ethics
- Philosophy of science and biology
- British #empiricists
- Grew up as a "latch-key kid" in Akron countryside "being in and messing around with nature" & rescuing animals ("Boy" turned out to be a girl...)
- Mother a nurse "seeing... the fragility of life very early on"
- Dad sold musical instruments "grew up around music
- "All manner of outdoor adventuring... rock climbing,
- "I'm a pretty hard-core board gamer... Evolution... Wingspan... nature themed board-games"
- "Within philosophy applied ethics can be a bit of a perjorative... not real philosophy"
- "I'm still trying to delay answering the question 'what do I want to be when I grow up?'"
11:02 What's Real?
- Raised in a minimally #protestant #Christian family "church on Sundays and that was about it"
- Mum was "more spiritual than religious". Church for the singing and community more than belief
- Dad: "We go to church because that's what we're supposed to do"
- An inauthenticity about it "going through the motions"
- "I've never been religious or spiritual"
- "I think we're all born atheistic at least in the sense that we don't have any active beliefs in anything supernatural... we start as empiricists..."
- Being puzzled as a kid at realising most humans are
- Sunday school after church at 10 yrs old hearing about
32:53 What Matters?
51:50 Who Matters?
01:22:19 A Better World?
... and much more (full show notes at sentientism.info)
Follow Joel
- Joel at Loyola
- Joel on LinkedIn
- Joel at PhilPeople
Sentientism is “Evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings.” More at Sentientism.info. Join our "I'm a Sentientist" wall via this simple form.
Everyone, Sentientist or not, is welcome in our groups. The biggest so far is here on FaceBook. Come join us there!
Mark Humanity is a long-time vegan activist. He currently lives on the edge of a rainforest in New Zealand and is on the Board of the Vegan Society of Aotearoa, New Zealand. Mark has been involved in animal rights since a teenager, initially in Ireland’s embryonic movement and later in the much more developed UK movement. A hunt saboteur for many years, Mark has been vegan since 1989 and got involved with the NZ Vegan Society via his vegan outreach Initiative called “Vegan Living Auckland”. He is currently helping raise two plant-based children and has a background in mental health nursing. Mark is the author of "The Humanity Trigger".
In Sentientist Conversations we talk about the most important questions: “what’s real?”, “who matters?” and "how can we make a better world?"
Sentientism answers those questions with "evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings." The video of our conversation is here on YouTube.
00:00 Clips!
00:34 Welcome
- Tom Harris episode
- Corey Lee Wrenn episode
- Philip McKibbin episode
02:13 Mark's Intro
- Anarcho-punk and vegan activism
- Now “anarchish”
- Writing “The Humanity Trigger” about two centuries ofdirect action for animals in Ireland
- Vegan Society Aotearoa board
- 20 years as a psychiatric / learning disabilities nurse
- Now stay at home dad raising two vegan kids on the edge of a rain forest
03:28 What's Real?
- “Things that still exist irrespective of whether people
- Raised in a staunchly Irish Catholic family and society
- “our sense of reality growing up was filtered through the
- “The government were simply puppets at the beck and call of the church when the church chose to intervene”
- Attending church run by Redemptorist priests / monks “on the surface they preach very worthy things… giving to the poor… vows of chastity & poverty & obedience…”
- The monthly Redemptorist “Reality” magazine: “Very
- “I tried to believe it because it was what everyone around me was saying was true.”
- “Anyone that even thought or even asked questions about it was deemed to be dangerously… on the slippery slope”
- “If you haven’t been brought up in a strictly religious
- Transubstantiation “Jesus does come down into that bread – his body is in that bread… it is literal – it is not meant to be taken as a metaphor”
- “I tried to believe it but I couldn’t”
- Comics, 2000AD, Pat Mills, Alan Moore “I read into those scripts… Flesh… Strontium Dogs, some of Judge Dredd… non-human animals had agency… were lead actors in these scripts… were the heroes and villains”
- The influence of punk on other Sentientism guests: Delci Winders, Kristof Dhont, Nick Pendergrast, Nicola Harris, Luke McGuire, Nico Delon, Jamila Anahata, Tom Harris
19:05 What and Who Matters?
34:30 A Better World?
... and much more (full show notes at sentientism.info)
Follow Mark
- Mark at Earth Island Books
- The Humanity Trigger Book
- The Humanity Trigger Web Site
- The Vegan Society Aotearoa
Sentientism is “Evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings.” More at Sentientism.info. Join our "I'm a Sentientist" wall via this simple form.
Everyone, Sentientist or not, is welcome in our groups. The biggest so far is here on FaceBook. Come join us there!
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