Mal’s roommate Candice is the kind of person you kind of just believe, even when she’s telling you about seeing literal ghosts and UFOs.

Which makes her the perfect guest on this week’s episode of Gods, Ghosts & UFOs, the podcast about all the things they said weren’t real.

Highlights:

Candice Gutierrez, Mal’s roommate and longtime friend

An amber orb sighting near BYU, around 2010–2011, the night before finals

Other witnesses

Strange, impossible, perspective-breaking movement

Trying to explain it to other people

The Phoenix Lights connection

Working on the show Ancient Aliens, who told her to self-publish a book if she wanted to get on the show

Similarities to Brown Mountain Lights in North Carolina

Real UFOs always get weird

“Welcome to adulthood. Here are aliens.”

Tom notices the Lotería cards on Candice’s wall, and has a wild story about them

Candice’s bonus story: A Disneyland teenage girl ghost

Tom invites Emrys to tell her Disneyland story (Space Mountain, hooded figure with black eyes, time dilation, violent visions, eery silence, many witnesses)

It was “something wearing a child”

Tom reiterates his Disneyland theory

And in the open epilogue…

GGU origin story

Our faith so-called journeys

Deconstructing the problem of evil

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