Think of a product carried by sea, and the most likely things to come to mind are consumer goods, iron ore, coal, or perhaps even bauxite.

But billions of dollars’ worth of illegal narcotics and thousands of species of animal are carried on cargo and containerships every year and smuggled through the world’s biggest ports, particularly in Europe.

Before analysing how shipping can get a grip on this secret trade, Lloyd’s List reporter Joshua Minchin spoke to several experts leading the fight against smuggling to get an idea of just how big of a problem smuggling is in our industry.

Hear how cartels smuggle consignments of rhino horn by the container load and even threaten crew to force them into transporting kilos of cocaine.

Joining Joshua on the podcast are:

Joe Kramek, chief executive, World Shipping Council

Bob Van den Berghe, deputy head PCCP, UN Office on Drugs and Crime

Niels Vanlaer, harbourmaster at the Port of Antwerp-Bruges

Robert Campbell, programme director, United for Wildlife