​​AI dream interpretation platforms are getting ever more popular. ​We talk today with Harry de Bont, the developer of AUT-Dream,​ about how best to approach these tools and why his platform is an improvement over Chat GPT. We talk about what he calls the Anthropic Universe Theory (AUT) and argues that the primary purpose of dreams is to comment on what surprises us and then to help us shift our world model to something closer to reality. We also talk about how AI relates to an emerging collective awareness, and he shares some of his hopes for future ways AI might be used to catalyze community.

We take two questions from Max. He asks about how AI works which leads into a discussion of pattern recognition and the inevitable biases of AI based on the cultural profile of the data entered into it. Harry ends by encouraging us to try AI dream interpretation but cautions us to always stick up for our intuition when working with our dreams.

BIO: Harry de Bont is an Electrical engineer and dream researcher who bridges psychology, physics, and consciousness studies. He developed the Anthropic Universe Theory describing dreaming as the mind’s nightly realignment between body, world, and society. His work explores how emotion and intuition arise from the same patterns of balance that shape both the landscape of our dreams and the physical world.

Find our guest at: monadcompany.nl

IG: @harrydebont_

YT: @HarrydeBont

LI: @/harry-de-bont-9b5217

Here is a link to the class I mentioned on air called Social Justice Dreaming: Intuitive Activism for Challenging Times which teaches you how to apply dreaming and intuitive skills to activist practices which will keep you from descending into despair. Starting Nov 7, there will be three live events as well as online forums and weekly journaling prompts. It is taught by Katrina Dreamer. Details at katrinadreamer.com/sjd

This show, episode number 333, was recorded during a live broadcast on October 18, 2025 at KSQD.org, community radio of Santa Cruz.

Intro and outro music by Mood Science. Ambient music new every week by Rick Kleffel. Archived music can be found at Pandemiad.com. Many thanks to Rick for also engineering the show and to Erik Nelson for answering the phones.

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