Sign up to save your podcasts
Or
Share "So, I Design Board Games for the CIA..." - with Volko Ruhnke
Share to email
Share to Facebook
Share to X
Share to email
Share to Facebook
Share to X
Or
"So, I Design Board Games for the CIA..." - with Volko Ruhnke
Summary
Volko Ruhnke (Website; Twitter) joins Andrew (Twitter; LinkedIn) to discuss his life and career in the CIA as an analyst and designer of board games. He is a former World Board Game Champion.
What You’ll LearnIntelligence
Reflections
And more…
Episode NotesVolko Ruhnke is a helluva interesting guy. He grew up as an avid board gamer raised on stories of the French and Indian War, which led him to design the 2001 winner of the best pre-WWII boardgame Wilderness War. His time at the CIA after 9/11 then led him to design the 2010 winner of the best post-WWII boardgame Labyrinth, where players were immersed in the operational and ideological aspects of the Global War on Terror. It doesn’t stop there, though, he has also designed a series of counter-insurgency games such as Andean Abyss, which focused on 1990’s Columbia, and Fire in the Lake, a multi-faction treatment of the Vietnam War.
While teaching a new generation of intelligence analysts, Volko combined both of his passions to help them understand the complexity and open-endedness of the real-world via board games. As an analyst himself, Volko looked at the Soviet & Russian military and counter-proliferation, before going on to be Deputy National Intelligence Officer for Science and Technology at the National Intelligence Council, and then on the Presidents Daily Brief (PDB) staff to brief cabinet level officials.
And…
Volko is now a commercial board game designer, and you can get quite a few of his games here – but not all of them. One day historians, one day…
Quote of the Week"Games allow you to get inside and operate the machine yourself and do experiments and pull a lever or push a button and see what happens. And because it's happening on the tabletop, rather than say, in a computer program, you, you can understand it very well. You can see exactly why what just happened. So, I became among others, a promulgator of, of that particular medium for teaching as well as for analysis." - Volko Ruhnke
ResourcesSpyCasts
Books
Storytelling in the Modern Boardgame, A. Arnaudo (McFarland, 2018)
White King & Red Queen: Cold War on the Chessboard, D. Johnson (Mariner, 2008)
Best Books on Play (Five Books)
Articles
All the World’s a Game, C. Hadavas, Foreign Policy (2021)
Digital Version of Counter-Terror Game Labyrinth, J. Bolding, PCGamer (2020)
Winning Edge: Board Game Used by the U.S. Army, P. Suciu, National Interest (2020)
Why the CIA Uses Board Games to Train Officers, S. Larson, CNN (2017)
The CIA Uses Board Games to Train Officers, S. Machkovech, ArsTechnica (2017)
Making Board Games for the CIA, C. Hall, Polygon (2017)
Political Board Games Change View of World, M. Thrower, Guardian (2015)
Volko Ruhnke Has Become a Hero, J. Albert, WaPo (2014)
Video
We Review CIA’s Classified Board Game, Two Bats Gaming, (YouTube, 2018)
Primary Sources
Kingpin: The Hunt for El Chapo (CIA, 2018)
Collection Deck (CIA, 2017)
Whodunnit? (Wapo, 1985)
Wildcard Resource
Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
View all episodes
By SpyCast
4.4
14671,467 ratings
Summary
Volko Ruhnke (Website; Twitter) joins Andrew (Twitter; LinkedIn) to discuss his life and career in the CIA as an analyst and designer of board games. He is a former World Board Game Champion.
What You’ll LearnIntelligence
Reflections
And more…
Episode NotesVolko Ruhnke is a helluva interesting guy. He grew up as an avid board gamer raised on stories of the French and Indian War, which led him to design the 2001 winner of the best pre-WWII boardgame Wilderness War. His time at the CIA after 9/11 then led him to design the 2010 winner of the best post-WWII boardgame Labyrinth, where players were immersed in the operational and ideological aspects of the Global War on Terror. It doesn’t stop there, though, he has also designed a series of counter-insurgency games such as Andean Abyss, which focused on 1990’s Columbia, and Fire in the Lake, a multi-faction treatment of the Vietnam War.
While teaching a new generation of intelligence analysts, Volko combined both of his passions to help them understand the complexity and open-endedness of the real-world via board games. As an analyst himself, Volko looked at the Soviet & Russian military and counter-proliferation, before going on to be Deputy National Intelligence Officer for Science and Technology at the National Intelligence Council, and then on the Presidents Daily Brief (PDB) staff to brief cabinet level officials.
And…
Volko is now a commercial board game designer, and you can get quite a few of his games here – but not all of them. One day historians, one day…
Quote of the Week"Games allow you to get inside and operate the machine yourself and do experiments and pull a lever or push a button and see what happens. And because it's happening on the tabletop, rather than say, in a computer program, you, you can understand it very well. You can see exactly why what just happened. So, I became among others, a promulgator of, of that particular medium for teaching as well as for analysis." - Volko Ruhnke
ResourcesSpyCasts
Books
Storytelling in the Modern Boardgame, A. Arnaudo (McFarland, 2018)
White King & Red Queen: Cold War on the Chessboard, D. Johnson (Mariner, 2008)
Best Books on Play (Five Books)
Articles
All the World’s a Game, C. Hadavas, Foreign Policy (2021)
Digital Version of Counter-Terror Game Labyrinth, J. Bolding, PCGamer (2020)
Winning Edge: Board Game Used by the U.S. Army, P. Suciu, National Interest (2020)
Why the CIA Uses Board Games to Train Officers, S. Larson, CNN (2017)
The CIA Uses Board Games to Train Officers, S. Machkovech, ArsTechnica (2017)
Making Board Games for the CIA, C. Hall, Polygon (2017)
Political Board Games Change View of World, M. Thrower, Guardian (2015)
Volko Ruhnke Has Become a Hero, J. Albert, WaPo (2014)
Video
We Review CIA’s Classified Board Game, Two Bats Gaming, (YouTube, 2018)
Primary Sources
Kingpin: The Hunt for El Chapo (CIA, 2018)
Collection Deck (CIA, 2017)
Whodunnit? (Wapo, 1985)
Wildcard Resource
Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
More shows like SpyCast
View all
The Truth of the Matter
274 Listeners
War on the Rocks
1,083 Listeners
Modern War Institute
766 Listeners
Secrets and Spies Podcast: Current Affairs | Geopolitics | Intelligence
268 Listeners
Darknet Diaries
7,876 Listeners
Cold War Conversations
447 Listeners
The Team House
1,777 Listeners
True Spies: Espionage | Investigation | Crime | Murder | Detective | Politics
1,960 Listeners
In Moscow's Shadows
360 Listeners
Irregular Warfare Podcast
391 Listeners
SpyTalk
204 Listeners
Global Security Briefing
21 Listeners
SPYCRAFT 101
320 Listeners
NatSec Matters
247 Listeners
The Spy Who
548 Listeners