This week Lacey spoke to Brian Lady and Nick Robideau, a creative couple who have survived an experience of living with active addiction-Brian through meetings and Intensive Out-Patient, Nick through Al-Anon, and both with therapy. Nick is a playwright and wrote a play called Against the Flesh about his emotional experience of being in a relationship with someone with addiction. They spoke with Lacey about the progression of their relationship, from Brian's use and Nick's response to it, to them eventually both seeking help. They also talk about the creative side of their story-about Nick's process of writing his play and Brian's response to reading it for the first time.