Somebody You Love

This week we are joined by Rubi Valentine to discuss the porn industry, starting sex work at a young age, and STIs. We talk about health checks, safer sex, disclosing a positive test result, and the stigma around STIs. For Shit People Say, Rubi introduces Holly and Jenna to the concept of apology pumpkins. 

Rubi’s most recent episode on It’s So Hard: https://open.spotify.com/episode/6OWQY5LVPlwCylQKA3feGl?si=E7BZErbcRjuP3veOdmSF8A

Scarlet Alliance Emergency Relief Fund: https://chuffed.org/project/sex-worker-support

CHAPTERS

Main Segment 1:42 Somebody You Love has herpes

Question of the Week 20:22 health checks, protection for oral, dental dams

Shit People Say: 49:01 “why so many pictures of your tongue?”

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Somebody You Love is sponsored by Assembly Four, empowering sex workers through technology: https://assemblyfour.com/

For more info on sex work in Australia, please check out the following organisations: 

ACT (SWOP ACT): https://meridianact.org.au/swop/

NSW (SWOP NSW): https://swop.org.au/

NT (SWOP NT): https://www.ntahc.org.au/swopnt

Qld (Respect Inc): https://respectqld.org.au/

SA (SIN): http://www.sin.org.au/sindex.html

Tas (Scarlet Alliance): https://scarletalliance.org.au/links/

Vic (Vixen Collective): https://www.vixencollective.org/vc

WA (SWEAR):http://sexworkerrightswa.org

WA (Magenta): http://magenta.org.au

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Introducing… Just The Tips! A new kind of episode where we focus on giving out pointers to our listeners. So we are starting with tips for clients of sex workers. In part 1, we’re talking about all the stuff BEFORE the booking: screening, making the initial contact, how much you should tell us about yourself, and paying deposits. Next time we will be discussing the booking itself.

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Somebody You Love is sponsored by Assembly Four, empowering sex workers through technology: https://assemblyfour.com/

For more info on sex work in Australia, please check out the following organisations:
Scarlet Alliance: https://www.scarletalliance.org.au/
ACT (SWOP ACT): https://meridianact.org.au/swop/
NSW (SWOP NSW): https://swop.org.au/
NT (SWOP NT): https://www.ntahc.org.au/swopnt
Qld (Respect Inc): https://respectqld.org.au/
SA (SIN): http://www.sin.org.au/sindex.html
Tas (Scarlet Alliance): https://scarletalliance.org.au/links/
Vic (Vixen Collective): https://www.vixencollective.org/vc
WA (SWEAR):http://sexworkerrightswa.org
WA (Magenta):http://magenta.org.au

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CW: age play, CNC, boundary pushing

This week we are continuing the discussion about what it’s like being paid to have sex - we’re talking about the little things we like, the things we hate, awkward role plays, and what happens when we give in and do the stuff we’ve made clear we don’t want to do! Jenna explains why she thinks the idea that you can’t orgasm from anal is a misconception, and Holly shares two baffling text message exchanges she had. Finally, prompted by a listener question, we talk about our sex working futures as we get older.

Main Segment: 3:13 - Tantra, role play, and boundaries

Misconception: 44:02 You can’t orgasm from anal 

Shit People Say: 47:53 “It is morning, not night”

Question of the Week: 53:29  “Do you see yourselves being sex workers into your 50s?”

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Somebody You Love is sponsored by Assembly Four, empowering sex workers through 

technology: https://assemblyfour.com/

For more info on sex work in Australia, please check out the following organisations: 

Scarlet Alliance: https://www.scarletalliance.org.au/

ACT (SWOP ACT): https://meridianact.org.au/swop/

NSW (SWOP NSW): https://swop.org.au/

NT (SWOP NT): https://www.ntahc.org.au/swopnt

Qld (Respect Inc): https://respectqld.org.au/

SA (SIN): http://www.sin.org.au/sindex.html

 Tas (Scarlet Alliance): https://scarletalliance.org.au/links/

Vic (Vixen Collective): https://www.vixencollective.org/vc

WA (SWEAR):http://sexworkerrightswa.org 

WA (Magenta):http://magenta.org.au

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This week Holly & Jenna share all the things they do with their clients that AREN’T sex. We’re talking about cuddles & chats, social bookings & dinner dates, kinks & slaves. Our misconception is that people with kinks must be weirdos, an acquaintance of Holly’s reveals her whorephobia, and we talk about our feelings surrounding younger clients.   

Chapters 

3:00 Main Segment: Pooping in Tupperware & on camera

46:53 Misconception: people with kinks must be weirdos 

51:47 Shit People Say: ’You might have to get a real job’ 

55:19 Question of the Week: How do you both feel about younger clients?

Digital Intimacies Panel that Jenna was on: https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?ref=watch_permalink&v=377764454002859

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Somebody You Love is sponsored by Assembly Four, empowering sex workers through 

technology: https://assemblyfour.com/

For more info on sex work in Australia, please check out the following organisations: 

Scarlet Alliance: https://www.scarletalliance.org.au/

ACT (SWOP ACT): https://meridianact.org.au/swop/

NSW (SWOP NSW): https://swop.org.au/

NT (SWOP NT): https://www.ntahc.org.au/swopnt

Qld (Respect Inc): https://respectqld.org.au/

SA (SIN): http://www.sin.org.au/sindex.html

 Tas (Scarlet Alliance): https://scarletalliance.org.au/links/

Vic (Vixen Collective): https://www.vixencollective.org/vc

WA (SWEAR):http://sexworkerrightswa.org 

WA (Magenta):http://magenta.org.au

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Today we are speaking to The Alice Grey. Alice is a full service provider and internet sweetie based in Melbourne, Australia. She is a lover of intricate lingerie and rich red wine, cosy restaurants and couch cuddles. Alice has also brought along her partner, who we will be calling Mr G. They’ve been together for 2.5 years and we thought were the perfect way to follow up last week’s episode on relationships as sex workers. We also throw in a Question of the Week from a listener who has a predicament about developing feelings for their provider. 

Scarlet Alliance Emergency Relief Fund: https://chuffed.org/project/sex-worker-support

CHAPTERS

2:34 Main Segment: Lovebirds Alice and Mr G

28:47 Question of the Week: Listener question about falling for a provider

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Somebody You Love is sponsored by Assembly Four, empowering sex workers through technology: https://assemblyfour.com/

For more info on sex work in Australia, please check out the following organisations: 

ACT (SWOP ACT): https://meridianact.org.au/swop/

NSW (SWOP NSW): https://swop.org.au/

NT (SWOP NT): https://www.ntahc.org.au/swopnt

Qld (Respect Inc): https://respectqld.org.au/

SA (SIN): http://www.sin.org.au/sindex.html

Tas (Scarlet Alliance): https://scarletalliance.org.au/links/

Vic (Vixen Collective): https://www.vixencollective.org/vc

WA (SWEAR):http://sexworkerrightswa.org

WA (Magenta): http://magenta.org.au

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It’s the relationships episode! It comes as a shock to some but sex workers, like many other human beings, can and do have romantic relationships. We talk about why this is important for people to know, how our work has affected our romantic relationships, and monogamy vs non-monogamy. Our misconception this week is that men are always paying for it somehow, Jenna & Holly have their first disagreement on the show, and Jenna provides some insight into “hi” guys during Shit People Say. 

Chapters 

3:28 Main Segment: But is a whore gonna date YOU? 

45:55 Misconception: Men are always paying for it somehow 

55:28 Shit People Say: “whoa that’s a bit full on, isn’t it?”

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Somebody You Love is sponsored by Assembly Four, empowering sex workers through 

technology: https://assemblyfour.com/

For more info on sex work in Australia, please check out the following organisations: 

Scarlet Alliance: https://www.scarletalliance.org.au/

ACT (SWOP ACT): https://meridianact.org.au/swop/

NSW (SWOP NSW): https://swop.org.au/

NT (SWOP NT): https://www.ntahc.org.au/swopnt

Qld (Respect Inc): https://respectqld.org.au/

SA (SIN): http://www.sin.org.au/sindex.html

 Tas (Scarlet Alliance): https://scarletalliance.org.au/links/

Vic (Vixen Collective): https://www.vixencollective.org/vc

WA (SWEAR):http://sexworkerrightswa.org 

WA (Magenta):http://magenta.org.au

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Note: we had some technical issues this week, so the audio isn’t perfect, we’re sorry!

CW: whorephobia, transphobia, drug use, police entrapment, domestic violence, t-word, p-word 

Chantell Martin is a transgender community service worker and activist at SWOP NSW, and former street-based sex worker. She moved from New Zealand to Sydney in the 80s and at that time began her gender transition, entered the sex industry, and began using drugs. She worked through the height of the AIDS epidemic in the 80s, before and after decrim in the 90s, and is now doing outreach helping the community through the COVID-19 pandemic with SWOP NSW

CHAPTERS

2:39 - Main Segment: Street-based sex work before and after decrim

49:35 - Questions of the week: most rewarding part, doubting yourself, difficulties, advice for clients 

LINKS

SWOP NSW’s website: https://swop.org.au/

SWOP NSW on Facebook: www.facebook.com/SexWorkersOutreachProject/

SWOP NSW on Twitter: www.twitter.com/SWOPnsw

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Somebody You Love is sponsored by Assembly Four, empowering sex workers through 

technology: https://assemblyfour.com/

For more info on sex work in Australia, please check out the following organisations: 

Scarlet Alliance: https://www.scarletalliance.org.au/

ACT (SWOP ACT): https://meridianact.org.au/swop/

NT (SWOP NT): https://www.ntahc.org.au/swopnt

Qld (Respect Inc): https://respectqld.org.au/

SA (SIN): http://www.sin.org.au/sindex.html

 Tas (Scarlet Alliance): https://scarletalliance.org.au/links/

Vic (Vixen Collective): https://www.vixencollective.org/vc

WA (SWEAR):http://sexworkerrightswa.org 

WA (Magenta): http://magenta.org.au

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Being paid for sex. How does that really work? This week we talk about the pressure to perform and to have orgasms, giving vs receiving, sex & oral logistics, consent, and kinks. Our misconception of the week is that men can’t find the clitoris and in Shit People Say Jenna learns that she is a human gumball machine.

CHAPTERS

3:00 Main Segment: Let’s talk about sex, baby

53:17 Misconception: Men can’t find the clitoris 

57:09 Shit People Say: “put a dolla in get a dolla out is what they say”

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Somebody You Love is sponsored by Assembly Four, empowering sex workers through 

technology: https://assemblyfour.com/

For more info on sex work in Australia, please check out the following organisations: 

Scarlet Alliance: https://www.scarletalliance.org.au/

ACT (SWOP ACT): https://meridianact.org.au/swop/

NSW (SWOP NSW): https://swop.org.au/

NT (SWOP NT): https://www.ntahc.org.au/swopnt

Qld (Respect Inc): https://respectqld.org.au/

SA (SIN): http://www.sin.org.au/sindex.html

 Tas (Scarlet Alliance): https://scarletalliance.org.au/links/

Vic (Vixen Collective): https://www.vixencollective.org/vc

WA (SWEAR):http://sexworkerrightswa.org 

WA (Magenta): http://magenta.org.au

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Introducing Charlie ‘MILFy’ Swinton! Mum of two and full service sex worker based in Melbourne, Australia. Charlie talks to Holly & Jenna about how she got into the industry, why she chose to be open about having kids, and how much she tells them. Our patrons quiz her about expectations, her favourite restaurant & Monty Python cast member, and raising kids to be sex positive. Plus she tells the story of a client she literally had to kiss to get him to shut up!  

Scarlet Alliance Emergency Relief Fund: https://chuffed.org/project/sex-worker-support

CHAPTERS

1:20 Main Segment: a sex worker with kids

26:26 Question of the Week: Advertising platforms, favourite types of bookings, restaurants, and stigma

42:29 Shit People Say: “I’ve read all of Mein Kampf and think he’s amazing” 

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Somebody You Love is sponsored by Assembly Four, empowering sex workers through technology: https://assemblyfour.com/

For more info on sex work in Australia, please check out the following organisations: 

ACT (SWOP ACT): https://meridianact.org.au/swop/

NSW (SWOP NSW): https://swop.org.au/

NT (SWOP NT): https://www.ntahc.org.au/swopnt

Qld (Respect Inc): https://respectqld.org.au/

SA (SIN): http://www.sin.org.au/sindex.html

Tas (Scarlet Alliance): https://scarletalliance.org.au/links/

Vic (Vixen Collective): https://www.vixencollective.org/vc

WA (SWEAR):http://sexworkerrightswa.org

WA (Magenta): http://magenta.org.au

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CW: death of a SWer

On 13th August 2021, the state government of Victoria, Australia announced their commitment to repeal the Sex Work Act 1994. What is the difference between decriminalisation and legalisation? What does this news mean for Victoria? And what about the Nordic Model? Our misconception this week is “It’s all about the money”, Jenna learns that she is trafficking men, and we talk about whether decriminalisation will bring anti-discrimination. 

CHAPTERS 

1:35 - Main segment: Why we fight for decrim

36:04 - Misconception: It’s all about the money

39:23 - Shit People Say: “Men are your victims, You Trafficker”

48:06 - Question of the Week: Does decriminalisation = anti-discrimination?

Scarlet Alliance Emergency Relief Fund: https://chuffed.org/project/sex-worker-support

REFERENCES:

Decriminalisation: The Smart Sex Worker’s Guide, NSWP 

Community Guide: Decriminalisation, NSWP

https://scarletalliance.org.au/laws/vic/

You’re Wrong About Human Trafficking: https://open.spotify.com/episode/5JyAdpdVVV8ZKQTRyrxqiu?si=SPEbKY8AR7qp4LPpe6UVYQ&dl_branch=1 

The Real Impact of the Swedish Model on Sex Workers, NSWP 2015  

https://theconversation.com/the-nordic-model-of-prostitution-law-is-a-myth-21351

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Somebody You Love is sponsored by Assembly Four, empowering sex workers through technology: https://assemblyfour.com/

For more info on sex work in Australia, please check out the following organisations: 

ACT (SWOP ACT): https://meridianact.org.au/swop/

NSW (SWOP NSW): https://swop.org.au/

NT (SWOP NT): https://www.ntahc.org.au/swopnt

Qld (Respect Inc): https://respectqld.org.au/

SA (SIN): http://www.sin.org.au/sindex.html

Tas (Scarlet Alliance): https://scarletalliance.org.au/links/

Vic (Vixen Collective): https://www.vixencollective.org/vc

WA (SWEAR):http://sexworkerrightswa.org

WA (Magenta): http://magenta.org.au

Support the show: https://www.patreon.com/somebodyyoupod

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