In this conversation, Tom Rowland interviews Richie Zacker, a spearfisherman who survived a near-death experience due to a heart attack while diving. Richie shares his journey of recovery and how he was able to make his passion for diving his career. The conversation also touches on topics such as the importance of maintaining a positive mindset, the impact of near-death experiences on one's perspective, and the misconceptions surrounding shark populations. Richie emphasizes the need for unity among fishermen and divers and the importance of ethical angling practices. The conversation concludes with a discussion on the role of education in conservation and the significance of regular check-ups for divers.

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