Wet Fly Swing Fly Fishing Podcast

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Presented By: Jackson Hole Fly Company

Has a Belize saltwater trip been on your bucket list, but felt a bit out of reach? Did you know it’s easier than you think to DIY Belize and pair it with a few guided days to maximize your experience? Today, we’re diving into everything you need to know for chasing Bonefish, Tarpon, and Permit on the fly.

Chris Waters and Mary Alice Hoppe from the Iguana House are here to give us a behind-the-scenes look at their incredible beachside operation. We discover how reef fishing in Belize compares to other saltwater areas, what to consider when targeting Bones or Permit, and the best techniques for casting against the wind. Fishing, however, is just the beginning of this Belizean adventure. Let’s dig into everything this special destination has to offer!

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Presented by: Yellowstone Teton Territory, Togens Fly Shop, On DeMark Lodge, Heated Core

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Mark Melnyk, executive producer at The New Fly Fisher, takes us fly fishing in Chile which is renowned for its large trout and breathtaking landscapes. Mark shares invaluable insights and tips on how to plan an unforgettable fishing trip to this beautiful South American destination. We also pay tribute to Colin McKeown, the beloved former host of The New Fly Fisher, whose legacy continues to inspire anglers worldwide.

Discover the allure of Chilean waters, learn about the fascinating cherry salmon that might just rival steelhead, and explore the legendary magic waters for giants. Whether you're an avid fly fisher or a curious traveler, this episode promises to enrich your understanding and passion for the sport. Tune in and let Mark Melnyk guide you through the secrets of catching big trout in Chile's pristine rivers.

Episode Chapters with Mark Melnyk on Fly Fishing in Chile

3:29 - Our chat started with the legacy of Colin McKeown, the founder of The New Fly Fisher television series. Colin, who recently passed away, had been struggling with health issues for several years. Mark shares his journey with him, starting 25 years ago when Colin pitched the idea for the educational fly fishing show. After layoffs in Canadian sports, Colin invited Mark to host episodes, demonstrating his generous and loyal nature.

12:21 - Mark discusses collaborating with travel partners. He explains his approach of identifying which lodges need marketing assistance, especially as younger generations take over lodge operations. Mark offers to help these lodges market their businesses by hosting episodes at their locations. The lodges are only required to provide time and resources, with no financial cost involved. This model allows the lodges to benefit from increased exposure while the show explores their regions for several days.

17:15 - We ask about his trip to Chile, specifically to a town called Balmaceda in Patagonia. Mark, along with Tom Rosenbauer, will target brown and rainbow trout in various water bodies. Mark highlights the unique fishing experience in Chile due to its low fishing pressure compared to other places, as well as the cultural and scenic aspects, such as the friendly locals and gauchos on horseback.

20:53 - Mark highlights the three outfits of Magic Waters Patagonia, namely: Magic Waters Patagonia Lodge, Magic Waters River of Dreams, and Patagonia Baker River Lodge.

24:26 - He walks us through traveling to Magic Waters Patagonia. Starting from Toronto, he takes a red-eye flight to San Diego, followed by a short layover, and then a connecting flight to Balmaceda. Upon arrival, the Magic Waters team picks them up, and it's about an hour's drive to the main lodge. Alternatively, reaching the Baker River Lodge takes about four hours through the mountains, offering views of General Carrera, Chile's largest lake, known for its exceptional fishing of big browns, rainbows, and cherry salmon.

26:57 - Mark describes the first day on the water, explaining they fish with large terrestrial flies like chubby chernobyls and damsel flies, which attract brown trout that leap dramatically to catch them. He also mentions the unique challenge of fishing in a very narrow but deep spring creek, where fish strike quickly, and the windy conditions of Patagonia.

29:02 - Mark will be hosting a trip to Chile on March 1st to 8th. He mentions that he still has spots available for this trip and plans to bring a cameraman to document the experience, showcasing what a hosted trip entails. This documentation aims to offer insight to those considering such trips, whether it's at Magic Waters or other destinations like Cuba or Belize.

30:45 - Mark gives some valuable tips in fly fishing in Chile. He emphasizes the importance of listening to guides who are familiar with the fish behavior on local rivers. He advises anglers to "fish big," using large flies and robust presentations, as the environment is competitive and predatory. He also suggests bringing extra rods due to the remote location, while noting that the guides provide ample flies and exceptional support, including meals and entertainment like traditional Chilean music.

34:29 - For more content and information on Magic Waters Patagonia, Mark recommends their YouTube channel @newflyfisher, featuring episodes from Magic Waters Patagonia Lodge, Baker River Lodge, and River of Dreams.

36:51 - Mark shares some tips on traveling for fishing trips. He emphasizes the importance of being prepared for unexpected travel issues, such as mechanical problems or weather delays, and advises travelers to stay calm and adaptable. He recommends keeping essential fishing gear like rods and reels in carry-on luggage to avoid issues if checked luggage is lost. Mark also suggests planning extra days around a trip to explore the local culture and environment, enhancing the travel experience.

40:40 - We get into the gear. Mark highlights the importance of bringing appropriate gear, such as floating lines, five and six weight rods for stream and lake fishing, and potentially a two-handed rod like a spey or switch rod for larger rivers with fast-moving water. He advises having reels with great drags due to the smart fish and strong currents.

43:53 - Mark mentions some other stuff and gear to bring for a fly fishing trip in Chile. He emphasizes the importance of layering, starting with a merino wool base layer for its moisture-wicking properties, followed by insulation layers like jogging pants and a synthetic puffy jacket. Additionally, he highlights the necessity of a waterproof shell and backpack to store extra layers, ensuring they stay dry.

Mark also discusses the intense sun exposure in Chile, advising the use of buffs, zinc sunscreen, and sun gloves to protect against sunburn, particularly under the chin and on the tops of hands.

49:38 - Mark describes a standout dish featuring abalone prepared by Chef Angela at the River of Dreams Patagonia. He had never tried abalone before, which is not commonly available in Canada. He found the dish to be extraordinary, with the abalone being tender and flavorful, complemented by fantastic sauces.

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Presented By:  Waters West Fly Shop

In this episode of In the Bucket Podcast, we sit down with three passionate fisheries biologists—Bob Hooton, John McMillan, and Brian Morrison—to talk all things steelhead. From the wild rivers of British Columbia to the Great Lakes and Washington’s rugged streams, these guys share fascinating stories, hard-won insights, and the challenges of balancing fishing with conservation. We dig into the evolution of catch-and-release fishing, the impact of angling pressure, and what it takes to protect steelhead for future generations. Whether you’re a steelhead guy or just curious about these incredible fish, this is a conversation you don’t want to miss! It's time to get in the bucket...

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Presented By:  Grand Teton Fly Fishing, Heated Core, Waters West, Angler's Coffee

Today, we're surf fishing California, home to some of the toughest surf fishing spots in the country. Southern California also boasts one of the largest manmade bays and some of the best weather and fish species around.

Tyler Vanosdell from Mission Bay Fly Fishing takes us from his roots on a cotton farm to becoming a San Diego fly fishing guide. Tyler shares the top three things you need to do before hitting the surf, the best apps to use, and essential tips for casting a full sink line.

Plus, you’ll learn why the strip set is critical and how walking your line can make all the difference.

Show Notes with Tyler Vanosdell on Surf Fishing California. 

02:10 - Growing up on a fifth-generation cotton farm in western Arizona, Tyler started fly fishing on the muddy Gila River, catching largemouth bass, catfish, and even carp before it became popular.

03:42 - Tyler spent time in Montana, Utah, Colorado, and even traveled to Mexico and Costa Rica before landing in San Diego. It was a chance offer from a friend needing a roommate that brought him to San Diego, and he's been there for almost 18 years now.

Surf Fishing California: Where to Begin? 

05:24 - The first thing Tyler teaches new surf anglers is understanding the conditions. The waves are constant in San Diego, so knowing how to read the waves, tides, and wind is key. Tyler also emphasizes showing beginners the right structure and how to use apps and gear.

Must-Have Apps for Surf Fishing

06:43 - Tyler recommends starting with free apps for tides and wind. For waves, he suggests paying for Surfline, which costs about $10 a month. The cool part? Surfline offers live video feeds of different beaches, letting you scout out fishing spots before heading out.

Surf Fishing Species

07:51 - Tyler talks about the top fish species to target in Southern California.

Corbina - The most popular by far is corbina (or "beans"), which come into shallow waters in the summer to feed on sand crabs. Halibut - Tyler also loves fishing for halibut, especially the big ones. There are two types of halibut: Pacific halibut California halibut Croakers (like Yellowfin and Spotfin) Corvina - a toothy fish similar to white sea bass. Ideal Fishing Conditions and Timing

Tyler explains that fishing in San Diego is possible year-round, but winter is his favorite time. It gets crowded in summer, so Tyler tries to fish early to avoid the crowds.

When it comes to conditions, he looks for low-energy waves, around zero to two feet. For tides, he prefers lower ones, especially around zero to two feet, which helps him find good structures for casting. He also likes light winds, ideally 3 to 5 knots, for a smooth experience.

Tyler encourages anyone interested in surf fishing to give it a try. The conditions might be tough some days, but other times, it feels like everything just falls into place. He believes if he can do it, anyone can.

Gear and Casting Tips for Surf Fishing

18:57 - Tyler talks about the gear he uses for surf fishing. He usually takes one rod, sometimes two, with a backup just in case. He recommends a full sinking line of around 250 grains to handle the strong surf and currents.

He explains how casting with a heavy sinking line takes a bit of practice but it's all about letting the rod do the work. Tyler also suggests using a wider casting stroke and double hauling for distance. Start close, work your way out, and you might even catch fish right in front of you.

24:18 - Tyler says low tide is the best time to spot fish-holding structures like rocks, holes, or steep beaches. These areas give fish a place to feed or wait for prey. Tyler also recommends checking out river mouths, which are great spots because they bring in brackish water full of baitfish that predators love.

29:15 - Tyler sticks to a few key flies like the Clouser and Surfin' Merkin, which are great for catching fish in Southern California. He uses size four hooks with medium dumbbell eyes, and colors like red and white, chartreuse, or olive. Tyler also likes red flies because they're popular in the area.

Chasing Corbina and Other Fish

38:56 - Tyler talks about how fishing for corbina can be a mix of blind casting and sight fishing. Sometimes the fish are right at the water’s edge, and you can literally see their backs and tails. To catch them, you often have to wade out into the water depending on where the structure is.

Mission Bay Fly Fishing 

44:11 - Mission Bay is the heart of fly fishing in San Diego. It’s the largest manmade aquatic park in the U.S., offering 34 miles of fishable shoreline. You can walk around, cast, and explore different areas, making it super accessible.

One of the coolest things about fishing there is the spotted bay bass. It’s a unique species to the area, and you can catch them year-round. Tyler likes fishing at lower tides with an intermediate sinking line for better results.

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Presented By: On DeMark Lodge

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In this episode, we're joined by Craig DeMark of On DeMark Lodge to guide us through the intricacies of fly fishing the Missouri River. You'll discover expert tips on navigating downstream fishing, strategies for handling pressured waters, and the crucial elements of achieving the perfect drift.

Whether you're a seasoned angler or new to the sport, Craig's insights will equip you with the knowledge to enhance your fishing experience on the Missouri River. Plus, you'll get his top casting tip and learn what to do when you hook that elusive trophy trout.

Join us as we unravel the secrets of the Big Mo with Craig DeMark—your gateway to mastering the art of fly fishing in Montana's majestic waters.

Episode Chapters with Craig DeMark on Fly Fishing the Missouri River

3:02 - Craig shares his journey into fly fishing and the establishment of On DeMark Lodge. He taught himself to fish, starting with lakes and gradually moving to streams. Originally from the auto repair industry, he eventually transitioned to fly fishing.

7:43 - We talk about the Missouri River. Craig explains that the river originates from the confluence of the Gallatin, Jefferson, and Madison rivers at Three Forks, located south of their area. He also notes that they fish on the stretch below the Holter Dam down to the town of Cascade, a 40-mile stretch known for its diversity and clear waters due to the reservoirs storing cold water.

10:56 - Craig discusses their lodge, a small, family-run lodge located between Great Falls and Helena, Montana, providing convenient access to the Missouri River. They offer a personalized experience with Craig as a guide and his wife and son assisting in operations. The lodge provides easy access to fishing spots, with launch points within a 10 to 30-minute drive.

13:57 - Their fishing trips span from April to October. Craig explains that although the season has ended, the favorable weather could have allowed fishing into November. April begins with variable weather, offering both sunny and cold, rainy days, but it features excellent fishing with minimal crowds. The fishing season wraps up with blue wing olives and October caddis. Craig highlights the abundance of dry fly fishing opportunities throughout the season, expressing gratitude for the rich fishing environment they enjoy.

17:16 - Craig discusses fly fishing techniques on the Missouri River, emphasizing the excitement of tricos fishing, where timing and the right drift are crucial as fish rise to eat small flies like size 18s or 20s. He notes that while the river is known for technical fishing with small dry flies, there are also opportunities to use larger flies like hoppers in sizes 6 and 8 for a few months. Craig prefers using a single dry fly for a better drift but acknowledges that a dry dropper setup can be effective.

19:14 - We get into the use of dry flies during a PMD (Pale Morning Dun) hatch. Craig explains that during such hatches, fish move to shallow gravel bars, sometimes in waters as shallow as a foot deep. Anglers often anchor on these bars, either wading or fishing from the boat. He notes that it's common to find a spot rich with fish and spend several hours there without needing to move much.

21:03 - We talk about fishing for caddis flies, which are prevalent during the June to July summer period and continue into the fall with species like the tan caddis and big October caddis. Craig mentions they had a successful caddis season and describes different methods for fishing them, such as using corn fed caddis and X-caddis flies.

22:46 - Craig advises that newcomers to the area should look for rising fish during hatch seasons, emphasizing that smaller rises often indicate larger fish. He also stresses that achieving a good drift is more crucial than the choice of fly pattern. To achieve a dead drift, he recommends positioning above the fish and utilizing a reach cast technique.

25:18 - We ask his fishing setup, focusing on using 5wt rods for dry flies, with a preference for rods with softer tips. Craig explains they use 9 to 12-foot leaders ending in a five or even four-weight tippet to prevent fish from breaking off. He emphasizes the importance of balancing pressure when reeling in fish, advising anglers to let the fish run to avoid breaking the line. Craig mentions the advantage of being in a drift boat, which allows them to chase the fish downstream if necessary, ensuring a better chance of successfully landing it.

28:09 - We dig into the best times and conditions for dry fly fishing. Craig highlights that the timing depends on what anglers want to experience. Trico hatches are challenging due to the number of rising fish, but the PMD hatch is considered easier, as early-season fish are less picky. For those who prefer not to use nymphs, August offers a great opportunity to fish single dry flies without worrying about weeds.

31:09 - Craig walks us through their daily routine at their lodge.

32:48 - We talk about the involvement of Craig's family in the lodge. Craig shares that both of his sons started fishing at a young age, initially using spinning rods before naturally progressing to fly fishing. His younger son developed a passion for fishing and began guiding at 18 or 19. The other son contributes on the technical side, helping with their website.

34:49 - We discuss the pressure on the Missouri River. Craig explains that while the river does experience pressure, especially during busy times like June and July, its large size allows anglers to spread out, minimizing the impact of crowded conditions. Craig suggests strategies to avoid pressure, such as fishing at different times of the day or choosing less crowded stretches.

42:43 - Craig emphasizes the importance of mastering the reach cast technique for successful dry fly fishing. He advises anglers to fish downstream to avoid spooking fish and ensure the fly drifts naturally, as drag can deter fish from biting.

In the gear section, we discuss the advantages of skiff boats, particularly the ClackaCraft HeadHunter, for their lightweight design and ease of rowing in flat, swift-moving waters. Skiffs are praised for their low profile, which makes them easy to get in and out of, especially for older guests.

47:01 - We ask Craig what his essential gear is for fishing trips. He emphasizes the importance of having a long-handled fish net, especially on the river, for effectively landing fish. He also mentions his Yeti gearbox, which is crucial for holding all his fishing essentials, such as fly boxes, tippet, and floatant.

50:07 - Craig talks about the similarities and differences between the cities of Great Falls and Helena, Montana. Craig advises travelers to check flight rates to decide which airport to fly into, as both cities are equally accessible. He emphasizes the convenience of their lodge's location, being remote enough to avoid city life yet close enough for easy access to urban amenities.

51:47 - Craig emphasizes that the Missouri River consistently meets the high expectations people have when fishing in Montana, offering memorable experiences each day, whether through the sight of fish, a missed opportunity, or a successful catch. He notes that the river provides numerous large fish, making it common to encounter 18-inch fish, which are considered significant in other locations.

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Presented By: Jackson Hole Fly Company, Stonefly Nets, Togens Fly Shop, TroutRoutes

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Would you like to fish for steelhead that are so fresh from the salt that they are blue in coloration and not even quite chrome yet How about traveling to a place where it's highly unlikely that you'll see another angler in a full week efficient? Today we're heading into southeast Alaska to find out how to spot and stock big steelhead on pristine Alaskan rivers... 

Rick Matney, Southeast Alaska steelhead guide, Montana guide, chef, and Alaska immersion program host is gonna share some insight on catching steelhead and some other big species in Alaska. Today we get his best tips on avoiding the crowds, his take on line development, and his experience with Tim Rajeff back in the day. He's going to teach us how to immerse yourself in Alaska and how to not die in an DIY fishing trip. Ocean fishing, salmon, trout, bear observing, cooking... it's all in one trip. Rick's gonna break it all down. So if you're ready to jump in and step into Southeast Alaska and find out how to survive, listen to this episode...

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Presented By: On DeMark Lodge, Jackson Hole Fly Company, Heated Core, Angler's Coffee

Rick Lee, Hawaiian fly fishing master and saltwater expert, is back on the podcast, and today, we're diving into the waters of Christmas Island and Hawaii.

Rick’s got the scoop on where to find the biggest bonefish, and he’s sharing some tips on how to DIY your fly fishing trips across Hawaii. We also dive into the crazy world of triggerfish. Ever wonder why they’re called that?

Plus, he’s got some wild stories about Captain Cook’s adventures (and how he met his end in Hawaii).

Show Notes with Rick Lee on Christmas Island Fly Fishing.  

02:33 - We catch up with Rick Lee since our last chat in Episode 116. Rick is still guiding out of O‘ahu while raising his kids.

We also discuss the challenges and progress of conserving Hawaii's coastal ecosystems. He said he's helping educate visitors about protecting the bonefish and other species.

07:26 - We catch up with Rick about his time in Hawaii during the COVID-19 pandemic. He was in Christmas Island when things started to get serious and had a narrow escape, catching the last flight home before the island closed for nearly three years.

He said tourism in Hawaii took a huge hit, but the silver lining was there was no traffic, no crowds, and empty surf spots.

Fishing in Hawaii: What You Need to Know

09:52 - Rick shares some helpful tips for those planning a trip to Hawaii. He said that while Hawaii isn't a top destination for fly fishing, it’s a great activity to add to your vacation, especially if you’re looking for a few hours of fishing before the family wakes up.

Oahu has some of the world’s biggest bonefish, but with so many people and tourists, the fishing pressure is high. But Rick still recommends bringing your gear out for an adventure.

Aside from bonefish, Rick says you can also fish for triggerfish and some varieties of goatfish.

12:37 - Rick shares that Oahu has flats around the whole island, but winter can bring dangerous surf on the north and west shores, while the south shore gets more giant waves in the summer.

For those looking for specific spots, Rick recommends contacting his team for personalized advice based on where you’re staying.

Gear Rick suggests using a 7 or 8-weight rod, a floating fly line, and a tapered leader. For flies, crazy Charlie patterns in tan, brown, or orange work well, as do mantis shrimp patterns.

17:28 - Rick talks about catching some really big bonefish in Hawaii, with some reaching over 30 inches! The average fish on their charters weighs around 5 pounds, but you can catch ones that are 7-10 pounds pretty often.

22:53 - Rick explains that Hawaii’s warm water temps stay consistent all year, from the mid-seventies to low eighties. This means you can fish for bonefish pretty much any day of the year. However, late summer and fall can bring rainy weather and strong winds, making fishing tougher. But if you’re up for a challenge, the fishing is still great year-round.

Casting in the Wind

23:54 - Rick says the key is to slow down and keep your stroke smooth and powerful. He also recommends casting sidearms to help the fly cut through the wind more efficiently.

When it comes to rods, it’s all about personal preference, but fast or medium-fast action rods work best for wind and saltwater fishing.

As for fly lines, shorter, quicker shooting lines are great for windy days, while longer lines help with delicate casts when the conditions are better.

27:25 - Rick says there used to be a fly shop called Nervous Waters in Hawaii, but it closed down when the owner retired. If you’re heading to Hawaii, you must bring everything you need.

Fishing at Christmas Island

36:40 - Rick shares about Christmas Island, a remote spot south of Hawaii, where you can fish in a beautiful 145-square-mile lagoon. It’s known for its incredible fishing variety, from bonefish and triggerfish to big tuna and sailfish.

Triggerfish can grow up to 20 pounds and live in coral forts with special defenses. Rick talks about how tricky it is to catch them, but with the proper techniques, it’s one of the world's best places for trigger fishing.

Rick explains that a Christmas Island day isn’t just about targeting one fish species. You could start with milkfish, which travel in huge schools, and then switch to offshore fishing for tuna or sailfish. After that, it’s back to the lagoon to target bonefish and triggerfish. And when you think it’s over, giant trevally might pop up.

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In this Beginner 101 Fly Fishing Solo episode I share the Top 9 dry flies you need if you are just getting started. 

You can read the full blog post from Drifthook.com at the link above.  

Send me an email:  [email protected] if you have any comments or feedback!

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This episode is presented by TroutRoutes, not only the best mapping app to find the best water but also a company supporting important groups who are pushing for diversity on species and anglers!

Sponsors: https://wetflyswing.com/troutroutes 

Heather Hodson, an avid spey fishing enthusiast and the founder of United Women on the Fly, shares her exciting initiatives with iFishiBelong.org. We delve into the significance of diversity among anglers, just as vital as the variety of native fish in our cherished streams. We also learn insights from a survey highlighting the role of women in fly fishing.

Join us as we discuss the need for swift changes in the industry and explore upcoming events designed to engage and empower the community. Get ready for an inspiring conversation with someone as passionate and busy as me.

Episode Chapters with Heather Hodson on iFishiBelong

3:14 - Heather discusses the success and mission of United Women on the Fly, an initiative she has been involved with for eight years that aims to empower and connect women in the fishing community.

She notes that while progress has been made, the push for broader industry change has been slow, which led to the creation of her new project, iFishiBelong. This initiative seeks to unite not just women but all people to foster collective change within the fishing industry and beyond, highlighting the need for inclusivity and collaboration to drive progress.

5:45 - We dig into how they started iFishiBelong which aims to create an inclusive environment within the fishing community by advocating for diversity and unity. Heather also explains that while gender discussions are often easier to address, deeper conversations around ethnicity and sexual orientation can be more challenging. The organization aims to bridge these gaps by starting with gender parity and expanding to other areas of diversity.

9:44 - We ask Heather about the evolution of inclusivity in fly fishing, particularly focusing on women's experiences in fly shops. She notes that there has been some progress in making fly shops more welcoming to women, but she emphasizes that change is slower than desired. A survey by United Women on the Fly revealed that while women feel more comfortable in these shops now compared to a decade ago, there's still significant room for improvement. Heather highlights practical steps fly shops can take to fix this.

17:03 - Heather shares that in the current year, their organization successfully hosted four major events focused on inclusivity, both in terms of participant diversity and geographic accessibility. The events took place in New York, Montana, North Carolina, and Oregon. These efforts were supported by TroutRoutes, which sponsored scholarships to help attendees cover costs and hire guides.

20:50 - She talks about the success of their event called Trout Fest held in Oregon and confirms plans to hold it again next year. This is a significant event for the local community, providing support and extensive educational opportunities, particularly in fly fishing techniques and entomology.

24:34 - Heather discusses an initiative called "All Kids Fish" founded by Becca Sue Klein in Atlanta, Georgia. This program focuses on engaging young people, particularly girls initially, in the world of fishing and environmental conservation. A key aspect of the program is its diverse mentorship, ensuring that children see role models who reflect their own identities, whether they are queer, transgender, or come from various racial backgrounds.

31:19 - We get into spey fishing.

37:49 - Heather highlights the advantage of using the TroutRoutes app for camping and fishing. It helps her find campsites and navigate the complexities of public versus private land, particularly in regions with restrictive access laws like Colorado. She also mentions features such as gauge stations, which provide detailed water data, and the ability to mark private waypoints, safeguarding secret fishing spots.

41:28 - She discusses one of their programs called Ubuntu Fly Anglers, co-founded by Bob Bartlett and Carl Crawford. This initiative focuses on advocating and supporting black and brown anglers to foster inclusivity outdoors. They recently held an event in Spokane called "We Are Here," which was impactful and highlighted the importance of representation for black and brown anglers.

46:44 - We touched upon the challenges faced by DUN magazine due to COVID-19, which led to its partial dissolution and transition to online formats. Heather highlighted the impact of the pandemic on their community-focused activities, as in-person gatherings were halted.

49:16 - Heather shares her admiration for Rick Hafele, whom she first met at an event in Spokane about 10 to 12 years ago. A self-proclaimed "bug nerd," she took extensive notes during his presentation on entomology. She finds the study of insects, particularly their changing prevalence due to factors like water temperature and sediment pollution, fascinating.

50:40 - Heather also discusses the Spokane River's rich history as a prolific fishery, despite being impacted by dam constructions like the Grand Coulee Dam.

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Presented By:  Grand Teton Fly Fishing, Smitty's Fly Box, Jackson Hole Fly Company

Curious how an 11-year-old girl managed to beat everyone and become the world fly casting champion? Chris Korich, legendary casting coach to top champions like Maxine McCormick, is here to reveal the secrets behind her success.

You’ll hear Maxine’s full story, from winning her first titles at just 9, 10, and 11 years old to outcasting the best in the world.

Chris also shares the number one thing every caster should know, along with tips on rod selection, essential gear, and the history of fly rods. Find out why some top pros still swear by 1970s graphite rods to dominate competitions today.

Episode Chapters with Chris Korich on How to Become a Fly Casting Champion

02:34 - Chris tells us about his childhood near the Golden Gate Angling and Casting Club in San Francisco. He spent his youth at the Oakland Casting Club, which opened its casting pools in 1958, just blocks from his home. By age eight, he had his first job helping people catch fish.

06:21 - Chris shares how he and his brother stumbled onto their first fishing rod—a discarded, rusty push-button reel they found by chance. They fixed it up and started casting at the trout ponds.

The experienced anglers noticed and stepped in to teach them how to cast properly. One of them was Tony Perry, who became Chris’s first coach.

Coaching Maxine McCormick

09:51 - Chris shares how he became Maxine McCormick’s coach. It all began when he got a call from Donna O’Sullivan, who saw Maxine at the Golden Gate Club. Maxine was only 9 when she started, and within a couple of lessons, she was already scoring casts like a pro.

15:56 - In 2013, Maxine started training with her dad, Glenn, just a few months after meeting Chris. They jumped into tournament casting, and five months later, Maxine competed in the National Casting Championship.

She outscored every woman in a national competition. By 11, Maxine was making headlines, beating everyone except Chris and Steve. At 12, she became the youngest world champion in the sport.

30:06 - Chris explains that starting with a full-flex rod, like the ones from the old days, helps you feel the line better. He also talks about the benefits of shorter rods, especially for beginners or those fishing in windy conditions.

40:49 - We chat about the best fly rods for beginners, especially for kids. Chris discusses how shorter, softer rods, like fiberglass or combination graphite-glass ones, work great for new casters.

He shares a cool story where 22 women tried different rods, and everyone picked a short fiberglass rod as their favorite. It helps them feel the line better and roll cast more easily.

54:10 - Chris shares a fun exercise with a butter knife to help listeners understand the importance of "feel" when fly casting.

1:00:59 - Chris explains that while many anglers still use long rods, the trend is starting to shift. He compares it to skiing, where shorter skis became popular to help beginners learn, and then they went back to longer skis—only to eventually return to shorter ones again.

Chris believes that shorter rods make fly fishing easier, especially for beginners, and encourages anglers to try them out.

1:10:51 - Chris says there's no doubt that Steve Ray Jeff is the greatest fly caster in history.

1:13:11 - Chris shares the impressive story of Maxine, who broke records at the world fly casting championships in Norway. Despite limited training, she scored 80 points in accuracy and won multiple gold medals.

Maxine is also focused on finishing her biology degree while still finding time to fly fish and work at a fly shop. Show Notes:  https://wetflyswing.com/678