Wet Fly Swing Fly Fishing Podcast

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Presented By: Togens Fly Shop, FishHound Expeditions

Today, we’re honoring one of the greatest voices in fly fishing, John Gierach, who passed away in October.

 I first recorded this episode with John in 2018, right after starting the podcast. John was already a huge inspiration to many with his stories and deep love for mountain streams and fly fishing.

In this episode, we'll hear about John's early life and how he started writing, why he loves fly fishing, especially the mountain streams of Colorado, and some of his biggest mentors who influenced him over the years. Some we've had on this podcast since this episode.

I was so excited when we first had John on, and he said yes to doing an episode because it was early on in this podcast, and he was one of the biggest, maybe the biggest, I knew out there.

There are so many great stories in this one. John also came back for a second episode, and it was a dream that I never told anybody about to have John on for a podcast series so we could dig into all or many of his books.

We never quite got there, of course, but we do have his voice today that should inspire all of us in his words of writing and books for years to come.

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Presented By: Togiak River Lodge

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George Krumm, editor of Fish Alaska Magazine and all-around fishy dude, is going to share his experience on Alaska grand slam catching all five salmon species in the same day on a recent trip to the Togiak River.

You're going to find out which technique he used to make it happen; where some of the other great trips are around Alaska and things you should be thinking about; and what he thinks is the best thing to help turn around the Chinook decline for the Pacific rim. Plus you're gonna found out how you can plan your Alaska trip easily with a resource at Fish Alaska Magazine.

Episode Chapters with George Krumm on Alaska Grand Slam

3:06 - George began his journey into fly fishing when he was about seven years old. His dad gave him a small vice and showed him how to tie flies. The very first fly he tied was a gray hackle peacock. George became truly passionate about fly fishing when he started catching fish with the flies he had tied himself.

5:08 - He shares a bit about how he began his career at Fish Alaska. Melissa Norris and his brother, Marcus, founded both Fish Alaska and Hunt Alaska magazines. For Fish Alaska, George primarily writes about fly fishing. Additionally, they have a "Fly of the Month" column, which is sponsored by Mossy's Fly Shop.

8:12 - George first connected with the Larsen brothers, who own the Togiak River Lodge, during his visit in 2022. His goal was to explore Chinook fishing and write a story about it. Unfortunately, the trip wasn't very successful due to poor water and weather conditions. Despite this, George believes that the Togiak River is a standout location for Chinook fly fishing, as it still boasts strong runs of fish in various sizes.

11:48 - George visited the lodge in mid-August this year, aiming to catch coho salmon on a fly. He successfully caught all five species of Pacific salmon—Chinook, coho, sockeye, chum, and pink salmon—in a single day on a fly rod. His cousin Tom achieved this feat twice in one week.

13:39 - He describes their success, noting that on an average day, he and Tom caught over 75 salmon of various species. Although their main goal was silvers, they caught multiple types of salmon, with the King salmon being the most challenging to catch at that time of year. Interestingly, they managed to achieve a "grand slam" of catching various salmon species by accident.

15:40 - We discuss sockeye salmon, which are less talked about in freshwater fishing. George mentions significant runs in areas like Naknek and Kenai. Sockeye are valued for their red meat and while they usually feed on plankton in the ocean, they can become territorial and bite more when in large groups.

For Chum salmon George mentions that they are strong fighters, often leading to broken rods, though they might not look impressive. Pink salmon are smaller and change color quickly, causing them to be underrated, but fresh pinks are tasty, similar to trout.

20:31 - George enjoys the methodical aspect of spey casting, especially for winter steelhead, where catching even one fish is rewarding. He contrasts this with the excitement of fishing in the Togiak River, where large fish are caught more frequently.

26:47 - George highlights the Togiak River Lodge's multiple packages for anglers. He also notes an important change in their policy: during the first few weeks of the fishing season, the lodge will limit the number of anglers from 24 to 14. This adjustment is aimed at providing a better experience for those specifically interested in fishing for King salmon.

27:34 - We dig into the evolving perspectives on fishing practices in Alaska, emphasizing a shift away from the traditional "whack them and stack them" mentality towards more sustainable approaches. George highlights the importance of targeting abundant fish species such as sockeye, pink, and coho salmon, while questioning the necessity of taking large quantities of fish home.

Our conversation highlights the need for anglers to adapt to changing times and prioritize sustainable practices. While Alaska has been perceived as having unlimited fish supplies, current trends suggest a need for caution and conservation.

33:36 -We discuss the current state of fly fishing and the associated challenges in different regions, including Alaska and the Skeena system. Fishing restrictions, such as closures on Chinook fishing, are not only happening in Alaska but in other areas as well.

38:50 - George recounts spending extensive time fishing on the Kenai River and now frequently visits the Naknek River for its excellent rainbow trout fishing opportunities. He also highlights the overlooked potential of stillwater fishing around Anchorage and the Kenai Peninsula. He notes that many lakes in Alaska are stocked with fish and, unlike in the lower 48 states, they are not heavily fished. This means that these lakes often contain multiple age classes of fish, some reaching up to 30 inches long.

43:53 - The Fish Alaska website provides a free trip planning service. This service allows users to input information, after which they receive details and recommendations about where to go. George explains that the service typically recommends lodges or outfitters in the area of the user's intended destination. Additionally, when users submit their information, it is shared with these recommended operations, who may also contact the users to offer further assistance.

44:40 - George addresses the challenges facing the Chinook salmon fishery, particularly the commercial troll fishery in Southeast Alaska. A significant issue is that the fish caught are often not native to Alaska, and the average size of Chinook salmon along the west coast is decreasing. This size reduction is attributed to the fish being more vulnerable to overfishing in the ocean before they can return to spawn.

He suggests that Chinook salmon management should be coordinated along the entire west coast, acknowledging their migratory and feeding patterns rather than being limited by political boundaries.

49:08 - George also expresses concern about the potential decline of Coho salmon in South Central Alaska, noting low returns in areas like Anchorage and Homer. He speculates that if Coho face decline, it might not be due to trawl fisheries but rather the impact of pink salmon hatchery operations.

53:43 - George clarifies the difference between trawl and troll fishing, emphasizing the impact of the former on marine environments and fish populations.

56:44 - He describes the experience of visiting the Togiak River Lodge, detailing the journey and accommodations. He also highlights the excellent food they have in the lodge.

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Presented By: Waters West, Yellowstone Teton Territory, Drifthook Fly Fishing  

Have you heard about Clean the Dream? It's one of Landon Mayer's favorite events, and today, Scott Robertson is here to tell us all about it.

Scott shares the history of this inspiring cleanup at the Dream Stream, how it's evolved, and why it matters to anglers everywhere. Find out how saving your tippets can make a difference.

Episode Chapters with Scott Robertson on Clean the Dream

We're giving away a huge trip to hit the water with Landon Mayer and learn sight-fishing for massive trout!

Enter now for your chance to win.

02:16 - Scott met Landon Mayer 12 years ago through their mutual friend, Brandon Kramer, who co-founded Clean the Dream with Landon.

05:22 - The Dream Stream is a five-mile stretch of the South Platte River between Eleven Mile and Spinney Mountain Reservoirs. This area crosses three different state lands: Spinney Mountain State Park, Charlie Meyers State Wildlife Area, and Eleven Mile State Park.

Clean the Dream

08:04 - Clean the Dream started about ten years ago with only 20 people, but it's grown significantly since then. Now, more sponsors give out prizes, which makes the event more exciting. Clean the Dream event usually happens the third weekend in August.

Tips for Organizing a Successful Cleanup Event

11:17 - If you want to host a cleanup event like Clean the Dream, there are a few key things to remember.

Get the word out. Use Social Media - Promote your event on all platforms and get others with a following to share it. Find Sponsors - Reach out to brands for donations or prizes. Local Businesses -If you can’t get big brands, local stores can help, too! Flyers - Don't underestimate the power of good old-fashioned flyers. Talk to your local jurisdiction.  

19:52 - You don't need to sign up to join the event. Head to the bridge lot around 8 a.m. on the third weekend in August. Scott says they prepare coffee, juice, and pastries to start the day. Once you're set, you'll get a bucket, trash grabber, bags, and gloves.

The cleanup lasts about four hours, so you can pitch in for as long as possible. Afterward, a lunch with pulled pork, hot dogs, and chips wraps up the day.

21:45 - This year’s cleanup had over 200 people—ten times more than when it started. Scott says they're planning something bigger for the 10th anniversary next year.

23:41 - Scott's love for fishing started when he was 15 with his dad in Hawaii. He explained that while fly fishing wasn't common on the Big Island, he enjoyed saltwater fishing. Moving to Colorado sparked his interest in fly fishing, especially after working in the Bahamas, where he learned about bone fishing.

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Check out @clean_the_dream on Instagram for more updates. Don't miss your chance to join Landon Mayero for your shot at sight-fishing for massive trout! Visit https://wetflyswing.com/giveaway

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Presented By: Waters West, Yellowstone Teton Territory, FishHound Expeditions, Heated Core

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If you had the choice between sight fishing for big trout or nipping down deep, which one would you choose? And what about streamers versus Dries? Do you have an opinion there? And which of all these techniques do you need more help with right now? Today’s guest is an expert in all of these disciplines, And. today we’re going to help you build a foundation to better understand when and where to site fish effectively for big trout.

Landon Mayer, South Platte guide, master show speaker, and our trout school professor will be walking us through the trip we’re heading out to this year. You’re gonna find out how to prepare for a trip if you’re focused on site fishing for big trout, what reactions from fish really mean and how to decide when to fish deep or go shallow and what you should do when you can’t see the fish. We’re gonna talk about it all today, plus you’re gonna get Landon’s best health tip on eating and staying fit.

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Presented By: Stonefly Nets, Drifthook Fly Fishing, Yellowstone Teton Territory

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Have you ever been confused about how to choose the best fly line for your next fly rod? Did you know that line companies typically overweight lines out of the box to help us out? And are you interested in learning about the process of getting the perfect line for the exact situation you will be fishing this year? Today, we take a trip back into Scientific Anglers, so you have a clear path of selecting the best and perfect line for your next big trip this season. 

Josh Jenkins, R&D manager at Scientific Anglers will shed light on what's new this season and some of their best-selling fly lines. You're going to get some background on the core and the coating and understand how this will help you understand which lines to choose. You're going to discover how to match the leader with your fly line and why the leader is essentially just a mini fly line. We're going to get into that today and we're also going to find out how and why you should be choosing the fly line first and matching your rod to the fly line. Better put, we're going to show you why fly leader line rod and reel is the order you should follow. Josh clarifies it all today.

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Presented By: Togens Fly Shop, FishHound Expeditions, TroutRoutes, Angler's Coffee

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Josh Mills, a seasoned expert from the Backcountry Hunters & Anglers team, as well as a board member of the Wild Steelhead Coalition and an accomplished steelhead fly tier, is set to guide us through the Clearwater River and public waters and lands.

Today, you'll learn how to adjust your reel technique for enhanced stealth. We'll also provide an update on the status of the Lower Snake River dams and their current developments. Additionally, you'll discover what a public lands yard sale entails. Moreover, we'll analyze a significant western stream to improve your success on the water this year. Together, we'll delve deep into the topics of steelhead fishing and conservation. Let's begin our journey.

Episode Chapters with Josh Mills on Public Waters and Lands

3:19 - We talk about our top destinations for steelhead fishing. Josh feels fortunate to fish in local rivers like the Clearwater and Salmon, but he reminisces about a memorable trip to the Skeena region in 2012 and plans to return in 2025. He also dreams of fishing in Northern California, inspired by historical figures in the steelhead community.

12:15 - Josh discusses his fishing strategy, focusing on the Clearwater River. He fishes the Clearwater from August through September, as fish from different basins, including the Snake and Grand Ronde Rivers, seek the cold water as a thermal refuge. He notes the Clearwater can be a challenging but rewarding river to fish. Once the thermal block breaks, fish often return to the Snake River, and Josh shifts his focus to the Grand Ronde system.

16:11 - We ask Josh for advice on fly patterns for steelhead fishing on the Deschutes River in October. He responds by emphasizing the unpredictable nature of steelhead fishing, suggesting that success often depends on the angler's confidence and intuition rather than specific fly patterns. He explains that steelhead are curious and might bite at almost anything due to aggression, predatory instincts, or curiosity.

23:31 - We dig into his involvement with Backcountry Hunters & Anglers (BHA) and the Wild Steelhead Coalition. He initially got involved by running fundraisers and joining the board of the latter, which led him deeper into conservation efforts. He started volunteering with BHA in 2015, an organization dedicated to protecting public lands and waters in North America. Josh felt compelled to protect these lands, recognizing their importance for recreation and conservation.

28:57 - We get into the complexities of public land and water access laws in the United States, particularly focusing on differences between states. Josh elaborates on the varied stream access laws across states, highlighting how states like Washington, Idaho, and Montana have more permissive laws, while Colorado and Utah face significant challenges.

42:37 - We discuss Josh's experiences and growth in fly fishing. Josh emphasizes the continuous nature of learning and improving in fishing. He talks about the technical skills involved, such as casting and line management, and how observing skilled anglers like Brian Chou and others has inspired him. Josh admires their proficiency in handling challenging conditions and accurately predicting fish locations.

Josh acknowledges that despite trying to replicate the techniques of skilled anglers, there are subtle differences in execution that impact results. He emphasizes the importance of learning from others and adapting various techniques, such as transitioning between different fly lines.

45:58 - We compare fishing the Clearwater River versus in the Deschutes. Josh highlights the former's larger size, which offers more room for casting and allows for different fishing techniques. He notes that unlike the Deschutes, where sun orientation impacts fishing strategies, the Clearwater allows for dry line fishing throughout winter. He also mentions the genetic traits of Clearwater fish that make them more likely to rise through the water.

Additionally, he compares the river sizes and flow variability, explaining how the Clearwater's dam-controlled nature affects fishing conditions. Despite the challenges, Josh appreciates the unique fishing opportunities both rivers offer, with each having its own "secrets" and characteristics.

49:07 - Josh gives some valuable tips on fishing for steelhead in Clearwater. He suggests visiting the Red Shed Fly Shop for advice and emphasizes the importance of focusing on manageable sections of large rivers. He explains that understanding where fish rest and conserving energy is crucial. For rods, Josh notes that it varies with the season. He enjoys using a 15-foot rod with a 60-foot line but adapts his technique based on conditions.

54:39 - We discuss the dynamics of fly fishing, particularly focusing on the experience of fishing with highly skilled casters. Josh admits he is an average caster but values learning from experts like Calvin Fuller, and Brian Chou, who demonstrate exceptional skill and understanding of the craft. He recounts experiences at a steelhead camp, highlighting how observing and learning from others is invaluable.

58:30 - Josh shares his passion for tying steelhead flies, which he considers his favorite due to their intricate construction. He emphasizes the importance of learning from various resources and incorporating techniques from different fly-tying experts to develop his unique style.

Josh ties steelhead flies year-round, but also enjoys crafting flies for warm-water fish like smallmouth bass. He admits he doesn't enjoy tying dry flies unless they involve fun materials like foam. While he can tie Catskill-style flies, he prefers tying streamers and relishes the opportunity to learn new techniques, such as tying flat wings for striped bass or preparing flies for exotic fishing trips, which he finds particularly rewarding.

1:01:29 - He talks about the Wild Steelhead Coalition. Josh explains that the organization is mainly volunteer-run, with one small contractor. Despite its size, the coalition is highly effective in advocating for steelhead conservation, engaging in fundraising, public education, and advocacy efforts. Josh mentions a recent significant article in the Seattle Times that highlights their work, illustrating the coalition's impact despite its resources.

1:05:20 - We briefly talk about the status and future of the Snake River dams. Josh emphasizes the ongoing efforts to educate and build coalitions regarding the dams, expressing that everyone affected should be considered. He highlights the historical use of the dams for barge traffic and the declining export traffic on the river. He mentions recent news indicating salmon are passing above dam sites for the first time in a century, suggesting the potential benefits of dam removal on salmon populations.

1:08:23 - We ask Josh about that time when he worked at a radio after college. 

1:13:08 - Josh shares that he used to play baseball as a pitcher.   

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Presented By: Togens Fly Shop

If you’ve ever watched a fly fishing YouTube video, there’s a good chance you’ve come across one produced by today’s guest, Colin McKeown. Colin sadly passed away last month, and today I want to re-release an interview I did with him in 2019.

Colin was behind one of the largest fly fishing YouTube channels and inspired many in the industry.

Show Notes with Celebrating the Life of Colin Mckeown. 

I want to take this moment to celebrate his life and encourage anyone impacted by his work to reach out to his family, The New Fly Fisher team, or even to me if you'd like to share how Colin inspired you or influenced your fishing journey.

In this episode, we dive into Colin’s background, and how he started The New Fly Fisher, and we’ll talk about Atlantic Salmon, Newfoundland, and his full story. This is from 2019, and as I mentioned, Colin passed away in September of 2024.

This is a rerelease of Episode 084. If you'd like to listen to the original episode, you can find it here.

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Presented By: Smitty's Fly Box, Drifthook Fly Fishing, Stonefly Nets, Yellowstone Teton Territory

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Have you attended The Fly Fishing Show recently? Did you know that the Fly Fishing Show by the Furimskys is the largest fly fishing show in the world? And what is it about these shows that made them so successful in the past and today? Today you're going to find out what's new with the Fly Fishing Show so you know how to get more out of it if you attend this season.

Ben Furimsky, owner of The Fly Fishing Show takes us into a deep dive behind the scenes of the show. You're going to find out why his event planner job is one of the most stressful jobs in the world, next to a police and a firefighter. You're going to find out how a fly designer is similar to a chef. Ben is a fly designer and has been a guide for many years in the past. And we're going to let you know why you should be attending this year and why you should attend the full show and not for an hour. Plus, you're also going to find out about the consumer choice awards that they do at the show. Here we go!

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Presented By: TroutRoutes, Waters West, Togens Fly Shop, Stonefly Nets

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In this episode, Joe Rist and I will journey to fly fishing the Catskills, often hailed as the birthplace of American fly fishing. Join us as we uncover the rich history of this iconic region, explore the streams of the Beaver Kill and the Delaware branches, and discover why this area holds such a special place in the hearts of anglers.

With Joe's expert insights, you'll learn valuable tips on dry fly fishing and perfecting your casting techniques. Whether you're a seasoned angler or a curious novice, this episode promises to deepen your appreciation for fly fishing in one of the most storied landscapes in the U.S.

Episode Chapters with Joe Rist on Fly Fishing the Catskills

1:54 - We explore Joe's journey into fly fishing, sparked by his father's introduction with basic fishing gear. His passion solidified after catching his first brook trout in Maine and starting "Fish Camp" with friends. Joe transitioned to guiding professionally after retiring from the post office at 55. Following the passing of the shop's owner, Joe, with no retail experience but support from his family, successfully opened Trout Town Flies, now in its fifth year.

7:48 - We talk about the history of fly fishing in the Catskill region. Joe highlights its significance as "holy waters," noting contributions from pioneers like Theodore Gordon and George La Branche.

The Catskill Fly Fishing Center & Museum, covering 50 acres, showcases important figures and artifacts in fly fishing, including the resurgence of interest among younger people during the Covid pandemic.

11:12 - Joe offers advice on the best fishing times in the Catskills, recommending May for dry fly fishing due to ideal temperatures. He suggests novice-friendly rivers like Beaver Kill and Willow, while recommending the East and West Branches of the Delaware River for experienced anglers.

16:22 - For lodging and camping, Joe explains that while there is ample lodging, prime time (late April to early June) requires early reservations starting in December or January. The area has modest accommodations catering to fishermen, including notable places like Roscoe Motel, Riverside Cafe & Lodge, Red Rose, and Rockland House. For DIY camping, there are several state campgrounds, including Butternut Grove, Roscoe Campsite Park, and Peaceful Valley on the Delaware.

18:50 - Joe reveals that his shop makes 60-70% of its flies in-house. He highlights the significance of tying flies like cripples and emergers, as well as traditional Catskill flies. He also recounts creating the brown floating nymph (BFN) after noticing fish feeding on a specific insect on the West Branch of the Delaware.

25:29 - We get into the other flies he uses in the Catskills. Joe uses the gray fox, cahill, and red quill, effectively on their rivers. He provides a tip for modifying a red quill to mimic a rusty spinner.

28:35 - We focus on fishing the Beaver Kill. Joe notes that the Beaver Kill is more accessible for novice fly fishermen due to its high gradient, which helps correct casting errors. He also mentions that it is stocked with brown trout by the New York State.

32:06 - Our conversation shifts to fishing techniques, where Joe explains the importance of positioning above the fish and allowing the current to deliver the fly naturally. He mentions that in the east, anglers need to feed a lot of line—sometimes 70 to 80 feet—to achieve this, which can be challenging but necessary for successful fishing.

33:24 - Joe elaborates on fishing in the Delaware system, highlighting the commonality of catching large fish, including 21-27 inch fish. He explains the strength and resilience of these fish, particularly due to the cold, fast-moving waters. He also mentions migratory fish like shad and stripers that enter the Delaware system, and the presence of smallmouth bass in areas like the Beaver Kill. He notes that while there are various fish species, anglers predominantly seek large rainbows and browns.

38:05 - We talk about the fishing regulations and conditions in New York. Joe explains that the fishing season runs year-round, with specific rules: from April 1st to October 15th, regular fishing with size and catch limits is allowed; from October 16th to March 31st, it's catch and release only, with no live bait.

39:33 - Joe mentions temperature inversions in the Delaware River's tail waters, which affect fishing conditions. Milder winters have led to earlier fishing and hatches, with some species appearing sooner. He highlights that the tail waters offer consistent fishing opportunities, even in warmer months, and details the fishable waters: 17 miles on the west branch and variable conditions on the east branch.

42:03 - Joe describes their guiding and fishing techniques in the Catskills.

46:16 - For new anglers fishing the west branch of a large river, Joe emphasizes the importance of patience and observation when approaching the water. He advises beginners to look for foam lines, which indicate where food and fish might be. He also suggests breaking the river down into smaller sections, treating it first as a brook, then a stream, to make it less intimidating. He also highlights the need to adjust fishing techniques based on the time of day and hatches. Joe mentions that his shop can help plan trips and tailor them to the angler's schedule, whether it involves fishing in the morning or evening.

51:19 - We ask about his essential fishing gear. Joe highlights the use of fish-friendly ghost nets, wading staff for stability, quality wading boots for ankle support, and wading belt for safety. He also favors traditional vests for storage and versatility.

53:19 - As we approach late September and early October, he mentions the pre-spawn period when aggressive male trout favor streamers in orange or yellow. He mentions the essential flies during this period.

57:42 - Joe shares his travel bucket list, including a planned trip to Chile with his daughter to potentially represent a lodge there. He also expresses interest in fishing in Alaska and Montana's grayling, despite past trips to Colorado, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.

59:18 - We discuss various boats and flotation devices for the Delaware River, including traditional boats, rafts, kayaks, and paddleboards. Joe warns against belly boats due to safety concerns and praises drift boats for their ability to navigate shallow waters.

1:00:38 - We ask him a couple of random questions on his music preference and go-to bar and restaurants in their area. For music, he likes the Allman Brothers, Coldplay, and Marshall Tucker.

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