Spirit of the Deal

Keith Gilmore is a writer, speaker, and coach. He writes primarily on culture, ethics, psychology, spirituality, philosophy, and psychedelics. He is the co-founder of Texture Life Coaching, one of the top ranked psychedelic integration coaching programs in the country.

Connect with Keith over at https://www.texturecoaching.com/ or https://keithgilmore.com/

Unknown Speaker 0:00 Your journey has been an interesting one up to hear you've questioned so much more than those around you. You've even questioned yourself as to how you could have grown into these thoughts. Am I crazy? When did I begin to think differently? And why do people in general appear so limited in his thought process? Rest assured, you are not alone. The world is slowly waking up to what you already know inside yet can't quite verbalize. Welcome to the spiritual dough podcast, the show that answers the questions you never even knew to ask, but knew the answers to questions about you this world, the people in it? And most importantly, how do I proceed? Now moving forward? We don't have to have all the answers, but we sure do love living in the question. Time for another hit of spiritual dub with your host, Brandon Handley. Let's get right into today's episode.

Brandon Handley 0:41 One. Hey, there's spiritual. So we are on here with Keith Gilmore, this is round two. We're giving it a second shot. And Keith is a writer, speaker and coach. He writes primarily on culture, ethics, psychology, spirituality, philosophy, and psychedelics. He's the co founder of texture life coaching, and one of the top ranked psychedelic integration coaching programs in the country. So glad that you could join us today. Happy to be here, Brandon, he had an amazing answer earlier. So we're gonna see if you can double down on it when we were trying to a different platform. You know, the question being that we are all source or seek through us is gonna be like an amazing connection through Keith from source to you. And it can only happen like this one time, Keith, what is that? What is that this come through today?

Keith Gilmore 1:34 Yeah, so I'm looking to talk about the psychedelic Renaissance that's happening right now. And what I see is happening is that these things, the psychedelics are reemerging into the cultural consciousness in a way that is speaking to exactly what we need to hear, at this time, in our lives, where things are so disconnected, people are so islanded, there is so much strife and tension. There's a feeling of kind of being lost at sea that people are largely experiencing. And it's because of a lot of things, but because our world, there's so much going on, there's so much information, there's so much confusion. And I believe the psychedelics are re emerging right now right on time, to help us to make sense of what's going on to help us to reconnect to one another as human beings, and to help us to allow us to kind of see what we're not seeing right now.

Unknown Speaker 2:48 That's cool.

Brandon Handley 2:49 So what do you what do you think that we're not seeing right now? What's like one of those things that we are not seeing right now, just psychedelics allow us to see.

Keith Gilmore 2:58 Yeah, I think in my opinion, fundamentally, that thing is we are not seeing one another as our brother and sister undergoing this journey as human beings, arm and arm to gather facing the unknown to gather, and were seeing because of, again, a lot of reasons. But because of the state that our culture is in, we're seeing one another as you know, enemy or maybe a tentative ally, or just as people who we can't trust we can't put our faith in as someone who's going to stand side by side with me to face what's coming face, you know, the continued craziness that's unfolding in the world.

Brandon Handley 3:58 So I mean, it's I guess a limiting some barriers that we put up is what I'm hearing, right. And it's allowing us to connect and bond at a certain level that we're not saying available to us at this point in time, and just establishing some type of trust link to experience this human condition together. Is that what I'm kind of hearing you say?

Keith Gilmore 4:26 Well, third, yeah. And I would add to that, just that it, it allows us to have that trust link with ourselves to because the psychedelic experience allows us to see ourselves without all of the trappings of culture without all of these lenses through which we're viewing ourselves and really dig into like, Okay, this is what's going on with me. This is the source of, you know, my issues right now. It gives you this site to yourself, that with compassion and with generosity, you're able to see kind of what's really going on with you. So that each of us can carry that out into the world. And through our own personal transformation, the shifting of the tides begin to happen.

Brandon Handley 5:24 So, you know, from personal and past experience spent a long time, but um, it's kind of like a, you just like you're saying, There's, there's no, there's no hiding from yourself. Right? There's, there's no, there's no way, you know, which, which I think you can which, which is easy to happen with drinking with alcohol with other substances, right, where you can shut off these these pieces of yourself very easily and escape, right. Whereas with the psychedelics, like you're saying, like, you're fully exposed, right, you're fully exposed. And I think that what you're saying is really important, too, right? You've got to have someone there, or there's has to be this kind of this, this compassionate setting. Right? I think on your site, too, you mentioned and we're gonna jumps out in a minute, but like, because there's the potential for this thing to go sideways real fast. And do some damage? Yeah, yeah. no worse than any other mental damage that we can experience. Right. But like, it can, it can certainly be damned a damaging experience, if you don't have that, that space created for yourself. And you don't have some of the things that you talked about, like, on your site with going in there with a good intention with having almost a game plan. Right? Like, what are we going to do here today? How is this whole thing going to go down? Right, so so I appreciate I appreciate how you've illustrated again, that idea that well exposure to yourself, like I didn't know that was even still here, type of thing happening. Right? So let's talk a little bit about, you know, textured life coaching, and how you ended up where you are today? What brought you into coaching? What brought you into spirituality? What brought you into the whole psychedelic realm? If you don't mind? Sure,

Keith Gilmore 7:14 yeah. So my personal journey and my personal spiritual journey, I kind of, in my teens and early 20s, I kind of had this approach to life into my perspective of religion, my perspective of spirituality, where I was just kind of anti, that what what I thought that had to offer. Because I saw kind of the ways that people could be and were being hindered or harmed by religion. And really, in reflection, I think what I was bristling against was more like strict dogma. Whereas the religions that utilize psychedelics, in their ceremonies, and just in the kind of texture of their ex religious experiences, it's more of this embodied feeling of I am going through this. And like you're mentioning, I, I'm in this container of support. But it's not just here is a litany of rules, you need to follow it, here's this experience, you are traveling through it, you're experiencing it. And it's embodied that way. It's not just something written in a book, which, you know, as I've grown, as I've developed my own relationship with spirituality, I am able to see value in the teachings of all religions. But kind of my, you know, crowbar in the door, let's say, to the spiritual dimension was initially through reading and connecting with the teachings of the Buddha, and then through discovering psychedelics, and that was just kind of a dynamite blast, opening the hatch. But, and that led me to realizing that I needed to be working in the domain of psychedelics, helping people to navigate these experiences, helping people to figure out how to approach them, how to bring something back with them that they can utilize in their continued self understanding. So it's something that is very important to my own personal journey, as well as how I see things unfolding in the world. I see This as a method for, like you mentioned earlier, the the idea of source for connecting to source for connecting to the ineffable in a way that's embodied. That's not just someone telling you something. It's you experiencing something. And I think that alone has a lot of transformative potential.

Brandon Handley 10:24 For sure you use the word that I'm a big fan of myself earlier. numinous. Right? There's this feeling of Numinous you. I know, I shared it with my audience, but like, What's that? What's that feeling mean to you? Like, when you say, this feeling of newness and describe, I think a little bit of your way of helping people integrate this experience into their everyday I wrote down the whole of life, like because, right, you, you go through, you go through this experience, you're like, wow, like, this is what life is supposed to be like, and then you're like, I gotta be at work, like nah, dude. You know, I mean, you know, and, and sometimes it's a real challenge to go back into the container, like a different container, right? Here we are in this container support and like full mind expansion. And, you know, I'm guessing like an area of like, acceptance and support, and there's like, this release, probably, that your clients are, you're feeling right, and then they've got to go back into the dungeon. So how do you help them navigate that? Right?

Keith Gilmore 11:33 Yeah, for sure. Yeah, that's well put. And I think that there's a few things there one, the experience of the numinous of the ineffable of that which you can't speak of, because there's no words for it is it It feels like you're connecting to something that is just so much greater than yourself. And then as you're describing, you come back from that experience, and you go back into the environment, that you were previously living in the same apartment with the same pilot clothes in the corner, the same cubicle at your office with the same, you know, person you work next to who gets on your nerves, and so on and so forth. And that creates this dissonance, and, or it can, it doesn't have to, which is why I do this work, which is helping people to figure out how to integrate the experience. So by integration, we just mean, you know, kind of weaving it into the fabric of their life. So it's not this, okay, I had this crazy, wild experience that is over here. And then my life is over here. And it's just how do I keep both of these things in my mind, it's actually bringing them together. So that the lessons you may have learned, the understandings you may have derived, the memories you may have on Earth, whatever it may be, the actions you feel like you need to take, whatever it may be, you bring those in, and again, embody them, so that you can go out into the world and bring that higher understanding, bring that feeling of connection to something that's greater than myself, and go out and live in such a way that you're kind of communicating through your actions through your being too everyone around you that, that feeling that that feeling of the numinous that there's something more here, and I'm through doing this work on myself, I'm healing myself so that I can go out into the world and kind of be an agent of healing. So it's really helping people to take the experience, and help them to live from that higher place that they were touching on. So it's not merely going back to the cubicle and nothing changing. Maybe you go back to the cubicle, and you actually understand this person who gets on your nerves better. And so you can, you know, build a relationship or work on something in yourself that that's pointing to, or whatever it may be. Yeah, for sure. Right.

Brandon Handley 14:52 Yeah, I love the idea of weaving it into the fabric of their lives as well as, like you said, there's this there can be this dissonance Right, and trying to help them to come back and bring that with them in the idea that they are this agent of healing, like you're saying, the one thing that I think that, um, is a challenge for the spiritual community that I've seen is a, you know, there's this whole idea of, let's get rid of the ego, right? But then there's this whole, there's also this other terminology like, well, I'm my higher self right now. So you guys can all go fuck yourselves, right? Like, I mean, I'm good over here, bro. Like, I've reached a plateau. And you're all beneath me. Right? So I mean, how do we? How do we soften that? How do we change? Like how that comes across? Have you? How have you been able to do that in your practice?

Keith Gilmore 15:49 Yeah, that that can be a tricky thing, where, you know, you have this experience of you can call it God or connecting with God. And then some people will come back and internalize that and say, Oh, I must be God. And, you know, that's an extreme way of putting it. But this is, I think, potential pitfall. And, honestly, I think that the way to address that is, is like anything to approach the experience with a curious humility. So, you know, I could have a experience a psychedelic experience, and get all these major downloads and feel like I understand how things work. And I need to go out and tell the world and, and, you know, that's in that state. Again, it's an ecstatic state. So you're excused for acting for thinking, however, however, you may be thinking or acting, but then to take that and to say, I know better than you. I'm gonna, you know, be up here on this cloud and look down on you. That's, I would say that is actually a result of not integrating the experience, or not integrating it properly. For sure. For sure.

Brandon Handley 17:21 So, you know, let's say again, let's say I come to you for a session, right? What's this? What's that going to look like? Walk me walking through the approach and what I could expect by having this experience with you?

Keith Gilmore 17:36 Yeah, yeah. So you know, I recently started working with a client, and he let me know that, hey, I'm going to this Iowa Oscar ceremony in three weeks. And I want to be prepared. I did one a few years ago, and didn't have any integration. And so I don't feel like I got as much out of that, or brought as much out of that as I could have. And so for me, that's right there. That's a lot of information to work with. Okay, this, this retreat is coming up soon, within the next three weeks, there is experience in the past that you've had. And you recognize that there was maybe a way you could have approached that where you would have gotten more from it. And so from there, it's me, kind of inquiring of, well, what is your intention in doing this? Why are you doing this? And I think that's a big part of the integration process. That, again, people can think of integration as this is something that happens afterwards, once I come, come back, come down. But ideally, you're it's kind of enveloping the whole experience, and you're kind of pre loading it as well. And having clear intentions for why you're going to undertake this journey is extremely helpful, because that can kind of guide the whole thing. And it can be anything it can be, you know, I want to see where I'm going wrong in my relationship. I want to understand something from my past. I want to work through trauma that I have. It can just be as kind of broad as I want to see what I'm not seeing right now what's holding me back. But going in with that intention, that allows that kind of plants a seed, and over the next few weeks up to the journey and then within the journey. itself, especially, you're kind of growing this tree that will hopefully bear fruit. And I also I like to tell people which, you know, it's not my idea, but that intentions are helpful and good. And even important, but expectations are not helpful and may actually hinder you. So to go in and say, I'm gonna, you know, I'm going to heal this particular trauma that happened when I was 10 years old, and you go in, and maybe you the, the experience is confusing, or maybe, you know, you find out that there's way more work to be done. And so you come out of it, and maybe you think, Well, why did I just do that I didn't get what I wanted. Because you're gonna get I believe you're gonna get what you need to see. Not necessarily what you want to happen.

Brandon Handley 21:06 For sure, for sure. I mean, you know, going into it with the intention. I think that that's super important, right? The idea is, you call it a seed, and I love the abraham hicks fans, but I've listened to her for a little bit, but uh, see, she calls it kind like pre paving, right? Go ahead and clear the pathway. But like this is, this is where I plan to go, this is just setting the intention. And that's going to be my direction. And to release those expectations are super important. If you go in there, and you're so hyper focused on this thing that you want to have happen, and it's not happening for you. That can be you know, that can be something that you're attached to, as you're going through it. Right? Well, no, Buddha said, don't do that. We all know, we all said, you know, we all we all know that attachment is the source of suffering. So to your point, your what is necessary for you to see will present itself. I'm gonna go hit and hit and miss on that one, just with the idea that you surround yourself with people that are supportive, right? Make sure I mean, would you talk a little bit about making sure that you're in the right mental state and like, hey, if you've had a really shitty, like, run up to this, maybe that's a bad idea, right? Like, maybe you're not in the right mental state for this. Now, have you had that happen? I mean, talk to me a little bit about how you handle somebody like that, or just making sure that they are ready for this.

Keith Gilmore 22:42 Yeah, that's a great point to bring up. And the classical, but don't ask me how I now the classical wisdom is, of course set and setting, which is your mindset going into it, and the setting in which the experience is going to happen. And so, to your point, what you're bringing up, if you're in a state of chaos in your life, you know, your wife just left you you're just got fired, or, you know, whatever it may be, that may be an ideal time for a journey. But it may not be it may be that you're not, you don't have two feet on the ground. And so you might enter this space, and, you know, it could just kind of, you know, create a really tough time for you. So, going in approaching it, again, I like to think of it as kind of curious humility, where I'm going and curious about what may happen. Rather than like, I need to fix this right now, I'm going to turn to this thing that I've heard, cures depression that I've heard, you know, heals people, this. So I'm just gonna jump into this, when really, it's much more nuanced than that. And it's, and it's quite complicated. And so having the right mindset, which, you know, I think, can be cultivated by any any number of ways through having a coach or through meditation practice or through working with a therapist or just knowing yourself listening to yourself and hearing that internal voice say, I'm ready. And then the setting piece is, you know, there's a reason that historically, in the kind of indigenous practices, these these experiences are had in a Sarah emoni and because of ceremony, there's someone to lead the ceremony a shamanic type person that understands the domain and the terrain. There's other people there to support you, there's this feeling that I'm participating in something greater than myself. So this Dan edge, maybe that's not necessarily accessible to you. There are, of course, firewall SCA retreats you can go to, and there are various kind of underground workers who guides or sitters who will sit with you. And again, understand the terrain, understand what to do if things get hard for you. But even just having a friend who has a little experience, sit for you, while you're going through this, just so you know, okay, I'm in a place that is safe, my doors are locked, there's not going to be any surprises, my phone is off, I don't have to worry about anything logistical, because I have this person here that can refill my water bottle, or that can even you know, give me a hug if I'm having a really tough time or whatever it may be. But, again, creating that container, so that it's not just you flying out in space. And it's maybe unfortunate that a lot of people their first experience of psychedelics is when they're really young, and maybe it's in a chaotic space, like a music festival. And there's, you know, people drinking and chaos and all of this around them. And some people, you know, I don't, I don't knock any particular way of approaching these things, as long as it's done with with attention and care. But I think a lot of people tend to get into bad situations, because their environment is not controlled. It's It's too chaotic. So just having the container again, the the feeling of safety, and knowing that there's not going to be any surprises, is that that alone is invaluable.

Brandon Handley 27:35 100% Yeah, nothing you're saying here that I disagree with. I'm not the specialist. So, um, the the idea, though, that I love. So I mean, I'm gonna just kind of roll it back a little bit, you know, when you've got like this indigenous setting, right? You've got a column, like a grand master spiritual leader, right? That that is staying there in front of you, that alone is going to bring a whole new level to your experience being being there with somebody that you know, is experienced, that is completely tied into this ritual. It's quite literally in their blood. And, and I call it like a collective that community around there's a support what you're going through. And I think that that's super important. I think that's really awesome that you're, you know, creating this space, so that you know, somebody's first experience. I think a couple of things like when you're younger, I don't know that you really got the capability to speak, what you're given in that experience, to the level that you're delivering, right to make it a useful exercise, to be honest with you. Right, like, I mean, I do have a question, though. Is there like, do you have a certain level of experience that you suggest the people that you work with, or is it you'll take somebody on that's this would be their first time?

Keith Gilmore 29:03 Yeah, it to me, it doesn't matter as long as again, the as long as you're approaching it with the proper care and respect that I think it deserves. It doesn't matter if you have no idea you maybe just read my Michael Pollan's book, and you're curious or if you've sat in 100 Iosco circles.

Brandon Handley 29:29 Should I be reading Michael's book?

Keith Gilmore 29:32 I mean, I think it's a good primer to understanding the psychedelic Renaissance and some history.

Brandon Handley 29:39 I yeah. use that as a recommendation. Okay. Um, were you know, just Is this something that you offer in person only or what is the what's your, who should be reaching out to you like, who should be contacting you? Who's your ideal client?

Keith Gilmore 29:57 Yeah, again, anyone who's curious Curious humility again, our Yeah, anybody who is curious and wants to take it seriously take the prospect of their own healing of becoming more in tune with their higher self, of understanding more of what they should be doing or how they should be acting in the world. or wanting to address certain things that they feel like are holding them back. But yeah, I, you know, since the COVID situation, all of my coaching has been been done remotely anyway. So, yeah, I

Brandon Handley 30:41 guess found things different over there in Oregon, you know. So, you know, if I was to get all marketing on you, right, like, if I was some marketing coach, and I asked you for like, the elevator pitch, you know, what would that be? What do you have one?

Keith Gilmore 30:55 An elevator pitch for the integration coaching.

Brandon Handley 30:59 That's right.

Keith Gilmore 31:00 I don't have one, but I could throw one together.

Brandon Handley 31:03 Yeah, I'm just curious. Right? Like, I mean, because it's it for me, I get it, man. Right. Like, I've been there. I've been through it, and I get it. But for the person that hasn't been like, it can be a challenge. Because sometimes it's, it's, it's, it's so a theory. Right? And they want to grasp it. And it's just right outside of their grasp, right. But so what would you say your specialty is with this, right? Like, in terms of the challenges that people are facing? Where's your specialty, just to be there as a guide to help them get through this experience. And I like in, I liken psychedelics to kind of like the rotor router of the mind or that door, you've been trying to kick down, but you haven't been able to, and all of a sudden, it's like, pow, there it is. Right? And some of it's like you were saying earlier, it's not even like same that thing you thought you needed. It's this other thing. That's way over here, you haven't even considered, it's been walking with you for your entire life. And boom, there it is. It's opened up, they've got you there with them, and they're able to resolve this thing is that would that be a session that I might have with you?

Keith Gilmore 32:13 Perhaps I'm in I like, I like the rotor rotor router of the mind idea. Bill Hicks, the comedian used to call it squeegeeing your third eye? But yeah, I would say my pitch to people wouldn't be How are you feeling? Do you feel like the world is holding you properly? Do you feel like your real needs are being attended to? Do you feel like you're being seen? Do you feel like you're being understood? Or do you feel like you're kind of just grasping or, or trying to, you know, keep your head from bobbing underwater, or we live in this world that there's so much chaos, so much confusion, and so much novelty, there's more and more crazy stuff happening every day. And we'll continue to as we move forward, it's not gonna slow down. So the psychedelic experience allows us to slow down to reconnect with our true human selves. We live in a world where so many things divorce us from our humaneness. And the psychedelics allow us to connect back with that, and feel like, wow, I am a human being. It's and it is, it's, it's something that you can't explain it has to be experienced. But it allowing yourself to do that to go through that. It's very, to me, it's very reassuring. And I think it's one of the reasons that I have such optimism about the future about where we're heading, I feel like we are going to get it together. And that the emergence the re emergence on a mass popular cultural scale of the psychedelics is going to play a hugely important role in us getting it together

Brandon Handley 34:20 100% a little bit the self study, or is this do Did you, you know, get some credentials on this, or, you know, just kind of against self study. And I think that that's really, to me, I think that's super important to like self education really speaks to your love of this space versus being like why I went and I took like, you know, a nine day seminar, and I don't want you saying that's bad. So I mean, where are you with that in that space?

Keith Gilmore 34:48 Yeah, yeah. So I'm kind of by nature, the autodidact type I like to teach myself and especially with the psychedelics you need. to experience it yourself to get a, as much of a grasp as you can on what it is. But I also think it's important to learn from people who have knowledge who have more experience than me, who have more understanding than me. So I'm, I'm constantly kind of taking courses and doing group work, and just trying to learn and understand more, so that I can properly convey what needs to be conveyed and to help people to go through the multiplicity of experiences that could come up.

Brandon Handley 35:46 No, no, 100%. That's it. And there's a lot of them. And so I think, again, I think the work that you're doing is really important. I think that it's pretty cool that you're doing it. And I love the idea that you know, there's this Renaissance, right, and there, you're just kind of, to capture it right to hold people and take them through it. Where, oh, you know, what, hold on a second, we almost forgot. This is like spiritual speed dating. So, you know, basically, the idea is, you know, you're like bachelor number one, Keith, and like, so you know, somebody listening to this podcast, they they're basically looking for their next, you know, spiritual date, and you could be it. So I'm gonna ask a question or two, let's do it, we got the mood to do to do, how does one obtain true peace?

Keith Gilmore 36:38 Well, my short answer is I wish I knew. And my long answer would be to follow your heart, do what you know, is right in your heart, nobody else you can't externalize it, no one else can tell you, no one else can show you how they can kind of show you the door, they can kind of guide you on how to put one foot in front of the other, but you need to follow through with it. And I think that inner peace comes from congruence between your thinking, your beliefs, and your actions, your your doing your being in the world. And the only way to achieve that that I found is to follow your heart, trust yourself. Because only you know, and we can't give our trust away lightly. Because it's, you know, that's one of the most important things you have.

Brandon Handley 37:38 That's number one, that's a solid answer. The idea to just kind of a sub question. Does your practice help someone to identify a way to follow their heart?

Keith Gilmore 37:51 Would you say? Yeah, I, I that's, that's part and parcel of a lot of the work I do. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 38:03 I think you would say we are all one. So I'm not going to go with that one. What happens after you die? bachelor number one. Don't buck this up?

Keith Gilmore 38:15 Right? Well, when I look out into the world, into the natural world, I see when a tree dies, it falls to the forest floor. And the matter the energy and the stuff that makes it up, begins being transferred to other things, moss is growing. ferns start growing, mushrooms start growing. And so I look to that process where when a tree dies, nothing is lost. The you know, the physical standing thing is not there anymore, but it's not lost. What it is, is not lost, it's transformed. It's turned under, and new life emerges from it in its place, and from its matter. So I would say that, perhaps something like that, but I don't think anything's lost.

Brandon Handley 39:27 I like it. I mean, it's kind of a return, return to life, right? You give them back know what you've already got, right? Everything. Everything recycles, right. I think that, you know, we all know that. You know, as much as we can believe science, right? That there's never any more or any less like mass and or energy at all times. So I like your idea of it's just kind of goes back into where it came from.

Keith Gilmore 39:57 Yeah, for sure.

Brandon Handley 39:59 All Thank you. Hey man, I had a blast. I really appreciate again like, like I said, what you're doing Where? Where can somebody come find out more about what you're doing and potentially work with you?

Keith Gilmore 40:12 Yeah, so you can catch me at texture coaching calm, and if you're resonating with anything I'm saying you can check out my writing, which is on Keith Gilmore, calm. Thanks so much for being here to thank you Brandon

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Brandon Handley 0:02 What are we feeling like this morning?

We're feeling like this morning. Feeling like feeling like creating something feeling like sharing something. I will share that this weekend. I've got a gentleman named Derek. Derek gone. And this is a pastor minister, President church

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how it would go, how would the podcast go? How would it resonate with me? Would it read did I feel like it would resonate with the audience and endorses I pass on the guests based off of this kind of initial feel, that maybe it wasn't, wasn't a great fit.

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Brandon Handley 1:13 I kind of I kind of went in towards towards the interview with that, and I had to step back and and I had to remind myself that, that if we take a look at all of the teachings in the Bible, we'll take a look at all the stories and everything that's inside of there. One thing that I think, I know, I know, that I wasn't aware of throughout all this time, was the these stories, things that were put in these books, these stories. They're written by mystics. They were written by mystics. And what that means is, these are people who had an elevated sense of connection to the universe and elevated connection to source. Maybe Maybe they were, as we're all talking about connected more to their heart than to their head. But the gist of the matter is that mystics have a different space in my mind. Then the idea of just some dude, after writing some books, telling me this is how this is how my relationship with God should be, man. Because I think that that's, that's another, it's another big thing that we

Unknown Speaker 3:04 were tasked with

Brandon Handley 3:07 when we look at traditional church. When we look at the traditional church, we're looking at people who are delivering, oftentimes all the time, we're looking at people who may be delivering the message. Without the transference of the feeling without the transference of the not the actual knowledge. I mean, I can read to you any number of books, in any number of ways on how to do something, but that doesn't mean that I know how to do it, I can translate it into another story where I think it makes sense and I can make the connections, that doesn't mean that I translated it correctly. That means that I know how to read and maybe how to grow an audience. Maybe I translate some things pretty well. But that doesn't mean that I've connected with it. It doesn't mean that I am fully immersed in the mysticism of it. That I am under an enchantment, if you will. Underneath the magic spell of what these guys were under and in and girls, when they were writing this material also the people who are spreading the message Okay, they may not understand they may not understand that and I think that When people look at the whole idea of I forget which Emperor, you know, put the pick the 66 books? And what about all the other ones? Why these ones make it? And why did some others didn't? And is there something we're missing from the books? I'm sure that there are some things that are missing. And I'm sure that there are some things that were kept out on purpose. Because the some of the messaging was too powerful. My guess is also that they didn't understand a lot of what they're putting in there. They didn't understand to the mystic level, the allegorical level of what it was that they were putting inside of the Bible, which literally means library. Just, you know, so biblioteca, right, so the 66 books inside of the Bible, I'm sure there's other bits and pieces in there by now constitute a library. And was that library of constitutional? I don't know. Suffice to say, I wasn't sure if my guest there was going to resonate I wasn't sure whether or not he was in the feeling was in this this mystic know? Right, it's almost like I was prejudging in an ascensor away. Now I got to the point of even, you know, before and during the podcast interview, of letting that go.

Unknown Speaker 6:56 And just having a

Brandon Handley 6:57 fucking conversation. Without this, this, this pressure, and this need for my judgment, for my judgment for what I felt was a possible prerequisite that I had the filter to know who shouldn't be on the show. And, to a certain extent, I certainly do, but I was doing this. What I'm talking about is I was doing it through a Christian, I was like, wow, this guy's gonna be a Christian. He's not gonna, you know, he, you know, speaking about the Bible, does he really have a good connection? Like I'm saying, does he really does he really, I think, guy, is he feeling it? Is he living it, and not just preaching? And I feel, I feel first, you feel a little guilt and a little a little shame for that just on my own end. And we're gonna do it anyways, no matter where we are, there's always going to be someone that we judge us a little bit, even before we meet them came from where? Oh, no, you're like, I heard people from there. Whatever. Right. And we're based off of where they come from before you even meet them. So that's, that's what was going through my mind and what I think and I think the podcast actually came out really well. I think, I think the conversation was was pretty good. I feel like he's really in touch with knew who it is and believes in what he's sharing. And that's the important thing is, is sharing an authentic message from a place that you believe in your heart. And I feel like that's what he did. And what else can you ask somebody to do? What else does somebody need to do? In order to prove that they're worthy of a good conversation? Right, I think that that's where a place that we get to, in our lives, oftentimes is somebody that wants to share and we've got all this call these pre requisites that the need to we need to have before before we'll talk with them before we'll listen to them before we'll just save some space for them. And that's what I feel like that's what I created. I got out of God out of my own way because it was me my thoughts the way I was thinking about, about it. I let go of certain way of feeling a certain way of being and I opened myself up, to listen, to listen with my heart to participate and be present in the conversation. Because it truly is, just like I say, whenever the podcast starts, it's the idea of, there's a message that's been delivered through that person that I'm going to hear. That's going to resonate with me that can only be delivered at that time through that person, and I've got to be open to that, I've got to be open to it. So I'm not, I'm gonna miss that message, I'm gonna miss that opportunity to, to expand awareness to grow to elevate all the things we're all trying to do. To take it to the next level, I'm gonna miss all that if I'm going in there with a pre predisposition of this guy, his background is this and this, this, and this, this is what we're going to talk about, here's how I'll lead it. And instead of, instead of following their cues, right, I know that a lot of times the I could be as true, I could be trying to lead it in that way, from time to time, but every once in a while, let the other person lead you in the conversation, let them take it, take it somewhere. And that's, I guess, the power of what they call active listening and reflective listening, repeating back that you heard them, let them know that you heard them and get some clarity of what it is that they're saying. Any you thought that I'd share that with you this morning, because again, we

sometimes we go in with this, this predisposition and we don't give somebody a fair shake to be themselves. And to tune in to the truth of who they are. And, and allow for that amazingness to shine through. Everyone's got it within them. And it's up to us to help them to expose that and bring it to the world. So that maybe the next conversation they have after that they're gonna understand that, hey, they don't need to listen, nobody needs to be validated. But if we can give the person that we're talking to a little bit of validation, a little bit of sense of being heard a little sense of of significance, because we took the time to have that conversation with them. What do you think that's gonna do for them? It's gonna give them some confidence, it's going to make them feel heard, it's going to make them feel that significance, that maybe there's something later in the day that they had maybe not been wanting to face. Maybe there's something a little bit later in the day, that conversation with a significant other or somebody else in their lives that they didn't feel like they could have because they weren't feeling that full confidence. And when you listen to somebody, when you pay attention to them, when you reflect back what they're saying, and you hold that space for them. It gives them the confidence because you've reflected back just how brave that they are that you've heard. And you believe in everything that you believe in what they're saying. So I hope you enjoy the podcast so we got going for you this weekend. There. I don't remember last name off top my head. I had a great conversation. And I think that it's something that you're going to enjoy if you tune into it and just explore it for what it is and get rid of some of these preconceived filters. Just to accept the story and the person into your heart.

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Brandon Handley 0:02 What is up, leave in the somewhat of a BJJ report figured out. It's been really interesting past few few several days. For me, I figured I'd share a little bit of it. If you've been hanging out. And heard, I'm pretty sure I did a pretty short session on this, if I didn't, I certainly meant to be pretty sure I did in regards to being a part of this course called creating personal mastery, with Sreekumar Rao. And there was a group of group of us students in a session, and we're talking about who we're being and what miracles we're seeing, creating whatever, whatever you want to call it. And what turned out in that group, three out of four of us, were a coach in some shape or manner. Three out of four of us were a coach in a spiritual space, to boot. And we were all in different areas in our journey. But there we all were together. And during that, during that session, one of the one of the gentlemen in the session had mentioned that he was not sure where to go next, not sure what to do next. He felt like he was at a bit of a of an impasse. And I said, Well, is there anybody that's doing what you would like to be doing? And if so, have you have you considered talking with them? And he said that he had a friend that had moved away. And I think that oftentimes, we, we feel like we've exhausted our supplies, if if we've run out of what we know. We exhaust service, we stop asking questions, we stop going, we stop at a certain point, there's some type of logic, some type of some type of logic that says you've exhausted all you've exhausted all your resources, you got to stop here, you're done. And there's that's the challenge. That's one of the challenges. That's why when we say alright, well, you know, life can be challenging, but you know, shit, you don't just stop, life can be challenged to compete, things that pop up, you're going to be in a situation has never been before. We're going to be in situations you've never been before, you're not going to have an immediate answer, you're gonna have to try something. And one of those things that you can try is go to groups groups, like I'm talking about here, so that you can get others input, the whole point of diversity isn't so much the color of your skin and your sex, gender and age. The point of diversity is another person's viewpoints, diverse input, so that you can stop doing what's always been done because you surround yourself in a fucking echo chamber. So you get out of your echo chamber where everybody you knows done the same thing for their entire lives, and you do the same thing for your entire life, and nothing ever fucking changes. So we're talking and I saw him I say, Hey, you know, what about Is there somebody that you can go find anybody online then? Could you Is it possible that you could find somebody else that's doing what you want to be doing? Doing well with it. Outside of that one guy, or gal? I said, Yeah, sorry. That's great. So we're talking miracles and then we have some more conversations and you know, I'm I'm at certain points in mind, but I feel like where I am,

Unknown Speaker 4:24 I'm

Brandon Handley 4:26 moving forward, and I am allowing myself to blossom. There's also the idea of doing it so hard, so fast to burnout, that you never give yourself the opportunity to fully express all of who you are. If you're familiar with gardening, then you'll know that when you apply too much fertilizer too much nitrogen to a plant, which will which will help it

Unknown Speaker 4:57 grow.

Brandon Handley 4:58 If done the right amounts the right times. However, sometimes people try to accelerate, push those limits, and we push those limits with the nitrogen fertilizer. You burned a plant out, you kill it. So the same thing that makes it grow rapidly is also in the sense the same thing that kills it. So you have to be careful that you're not trying, you're not trying too hard too rapidly. And there's a story in in in the st. Amaral books talking about the guy that shows up to become a monk and become a master. And he's asking the master if he can stay if he can learn with them. Yeah, yeah, you can stay you can learn. young guy goes, alright, well, cool. Down, give me that shit. And he said, How long is it gonna take? I mean, you know, I got to get to I got to get back to the states got a got a big company to run and all kinds of things are happening for me and around me. A very important guy. And, and the Master says, Hey, 10 years. Very important, guys like 10 years? They all right? Look, what if I work 80 hours a week, sacrifice my family and give everything up. And that's all I do. That's everything. Master who's 20 years. And the guy's like, What the fuck, 20 years, right? Because you kind of burn yourself out. You got to allow some room for growth in order to grow. So if you're always crowding it all in and, and whatnot, then then it's all it's all, always. Don't give yourself room to grow. So we're talking about the miracles and finding somebody, I'd insisted or I'd said, Hey, you could find some wisdom, what you want to be doing, wouldn't it be great. Next morning, going to work for a little bit behind and that morning, all the ones like a cup of coffee. And it's like, I just don't have the time for it. Right? I didn't allow for time didn't make time for it. Got meeting back to back to back to back to back to back. And my fucking whatever, right? And then it 10 o'clock, my 10 o'clock canceled. And I jot down in my little book miracle, miracle, fantastic. Go get my cup of coffee. And I come back out and there's a dude reading pauvres. For us, we strike up a conversation, I'm pretty sure I share this. But we strike up a conversation and he's a coach in a men's coaching space, Eric, you know, shout out to Eric. And the thing is, that's just the same seems to be like the start to this little roller coaster of not only just miracles, the next miracles is, you know, just recently chat with one of my co workers. And we get to talk in and turns out he's doing turns out he's doing some hard work on himself. Some of the weight loss and you know, what goes into it and the story in his journey, he's been sharing a little bit of it on Instagram and, and YouTube, we get to talk about it. And he's like, Alright, well, you know, share my story. And we talked, we both exchanged that he was doing that, and I'm doing podcast myself and doing spiritual dope here. And he's like, what are you doing? Give him the lowdown. And he shares with me that he's better theology school and how he's, you know, a bit more about his journey and the conversations is this more personal, more human and there's very unexpected, but at the same time, not out of place. And the third and the third piece is his recently went to go meet up with a partner in the ecosystem where I work and and she's coming in and we're sitting there talking over over a meal. As she drops some, some, some quick little bombs. It's just not even breaking stride about her spiritual journey and her just what that's looked like, and just how she's, you know, come along and unprompted. And it was just really interesting, because, I don't know, right, but I was there for your work. And let's talk about the let's talk about the partnership and the business and all this other stuff. And here she is just kind of sharing, sharing some information. That and you know, talking about

yoga, I was talking About the BJJ and just kind of how that, you know, allows for the community and allows for the growth, getting past traumas and all this other stuff. And I was like, shit, I was like, how unexpected. knows, I was like, this is this is also where I am what I do. And the funny thing is, is like these, these kind of three things in succession to me, just made me think I'm like, Well, I guess, you know, wherever you go, there you are. I'm not saying that these people are me. But then the context of a lot of these self help personal development spaces is that you see a reflection of yourself and everybody and I was like, holy shit, it's like, wherever you go, there you are. So profound stuff. So simple. Who was having that conversation on Sunday morning, lots of conversations recently. But wherever you go, there you are, who you're seeing and what you're running into. It's what you what you're seeking is seeking you even and I think that that also puts into context, the whole idea of the guy who goes to the market is like, Hey, I'm gonna put everything I've got into it, I'm gonna, I'm gonna put maximum effort into overdrive. And, and instead of it taking 10 years and going its natural course and allowing things to come to you. By using power by trying to power past it, or you're actually blocking what's intended for you're actually blocking what's coming your way. So what's happening here is, is, as I kind of step back, and allow for things to come to me, they're showing up. Don't go you know, don't get it twisted, there's certainly some effort on my behalf. But it's not nearly the effort of efforting. If you're familiar with Abraham Hicks, it's not nearly this, this full bore trying to burn out and and crush myself for it. I just wonder for you, you know, where are you? What are you seeing? And what would you like to see more of in your life? What are some indicators to you that you may be you may be pushing yourself too hard towards the thing that you want versus allowing for it to show up versus allowing for it to be there for you. I'd say some of the indicators are that you're putting so much pressure that you're trying too hard that that your Jerome was in desperation mode for this thing, that's, it's already there. All of it's already there in front of you. Just let it be as you be who you're meant to be in these moments, and I know that it sounds like roundabout talk, I know that it sounds like Deaf I can do is burn out. But I can tell you that at this point in my life, I don't feel like I am I feel like I'm more grounded. I feel like I'm more connected. I feel like I'm more confident I feel like more is happening for me than ever before, that I'm allowing for versus what I'm pushing for efforting for. So if you find yourself troubled to sleep at night, if you've stopped if you find yourself troubled to even breathe, if you find yourself just in a constant state of tenseness, these are all indicators that you may be trying to force it all too hard. What happens if you take a deep breath down to your belly instead of to your chest? What happens if you let go and let God in what I mean by that is not like 100% you know, Jesus, take the wheel. Do it try it, test it out some small shirt. Maybe there's some maybe and become bigger yourself by accepting divine help. How can you become bigger than your situations that are keeping you up at night? How can you become bigger than the pain that you're feeling the sleep that you're not Getting.

And you can do that, in essence, by letting go and letting God What I mean by that is, what are some of your worries? What are some of the things that that are bothering? What if? What if, for example, you could just give that over to something bigger than yourself, call it what you want? And what if that problem goes away? And I'll say it in the sense of the whole idea that if you don't believe, fully in this greater presence outside of you, that's fantastic. A, B, what about? What about you? What about your subconscious, the 95% of you, that runs all the programming for you. And the programming that includes making sure that you breathe in at all, make sure that your food gets turned into energy you're walking, you are a walking alchemy lab. That's something that you do without even thinking about it. So these things that you're putting pressure on it, you're thinking about, what happens if you turn that over to the part of you that drives the whole thing that really makes it all happen. pumps your blood, what happens if you turn it over to that that's if you can't just do the let go let God that easily, right. So some small, you have some of your small worries over to the greater part of yourself and realize that if that problem was gone or resolved within three days, what would that look like for you? I just asked you sit with that for a minute. Again, if you're having some of the tenseness and stress in your life that you'd like to see gone can a couple small pieces over see what happens with it. If it works with like one tiny small piece, fucking chocolate another small piece. And, you know, keep using it until it works. If it doesn't work for you, fuck it, move on. Don't worry about it. There's so many other tools and tips and tricks out there for you. But that is one that I have been shown that's one I've been given that's certainly worked for me and has brought so much relief from an already you know, high word a hyper stressed out world. And if it and that's even like 10% reduction in stress, over time shows up and just like compound interest just in such use wave so leave you with that. Best of luck. Wherever you go. There you are the people that you're hanging out with who's showing up in your life what that looks like. Is that you showing up in the world. What's that look like who you run into? Think about

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Unknown Speaker 0:02 What is a morning that has a few of the things that you're looking for

Unknown Speaker 0:10 when I do my visualization practice, which is typically done first thing in the morning, as part of the daily routine, each is waking up visualization for about five minutes meditation, pretend to Forney, breathwork, for 10 to 20. Write out some gratitude and speak some gratitude, has some has some peace, have some quiet and maybe read something or listen to some sense that is kind of timeless stoicism, Bible gron anyone to think that this Buddhist sutras, mantras, whatever it is, whatever it is, you're, you're into. And individualization. Practice typically has some background noise going on to set the mood, as it were, or to be a part of the scenery that is individualization. What's that look like? Was that palling. So there are some of them that are thunderstorms, they're birds,

Unknown Speaker 1:36 there's ocean, for scenery, and a walking scenery. Driving monks chanting, and one of my favorites is just simple rain. And in the app that I use, it's called noise maker.

Unknown Speaker 1:54 You can set it so that it has different it moves around a little bit. So it's got equalizer settings, and it switches those up and around as determined to what setting up of course, the one that I always pick is called Sam setting. I don't know what that is. But, hey, I don't know how to know I guess exactly what it is to know that it works. And it works for me. Anyways, waking up this morning. That's that's part of part of what showed up in my morning. For a moment, I felt such gratitude as I was headed into work, it's actually raining the car. I don't know why. I love the sound of the windshield wipers going back and forth rain in the car, other noises around you cars passing for for me, there's there's something in that. And I always imagined that maybe on my way out to go participate in a talk or give a talk. Always over maybe I'm on the way home from one of those or maybe the kids and I are on the way home from something they love to do. Or maybe Meg and I on the way home from a date. Those are the kinds of things in the scenes that I think of when I've got my creative visualization going on. And I've got the rainbow. So it really sets the mood for me.

Unknown Speaker 3:25 And I just really enjoy it. And so welcome to that this morning. And this other piece is a

Unknown Speaker 3:34 little more law of attraction ish, but also just kind of a way to see the world what kind of lens and filter can you see when you apply it like this. And this is a funny because a friend of mine wrote this note, and it's something that I've done as well. And the idea of this chain grocery store chain named outies, which is the same company that owns Trader Joe's if you didn't know that. And when you go to this grocery store, all the carts are lined up, always, almost always the carts are all lined up. And what you'll find is that when you go to grab a cart, you're going to need a quarter because they they lock to each other by way of quarter. Well once they put out this locking mechanism, so what you need is a quarter to go put it into the locking mechanism so that you can free your cart and use it in the store. Otherwise you have to try and walk around with there's no baskets and stuff. And so you get your cart and that's great. And you all around and then you know In order to get your quarterback weighed out versus stored, you have to take it back and put it in line. And, or, you know, an easy thing that you could do is no that man, not everybody's got a quarter when they come up there and Lord knows if you've ever gotten there and you didn't have a quarter, you're like,

Unknown Speaker 5:25 Oh my god, I don't have a quarter that sucks. I try to get all the groceries that you can,

Unknown Speaker 5:32 that you said you were going to get. And then not only do you not get a cart ever eat, once you get your groceries, you have to lift them back out of the cart, they scan them into, and then you have to bag them yourself off to the side. So not having a cart can be a real pain, yes, if you needed it that time. One of the reasons why I try and travel around the car supporters. Now that being said, there's been several times that I've gone there and found quarters, laying around five quarters sound cards. And the one thing I was like to say is like, this is kind of a small opportunity for you to test out a couple things, to see if they work. One of the things to see if they work is the you know, what you've give returns to you, right University, the force multiplier, and what you give tends to come back to you, and most often times in greater amounts than what you send out. I think it should be what you give freely for sure. Right? What you give freely without expectation, and acceptance of a pleasant surprise, if it comes back in a way that you could certainly lie to peers about I'm just saying all this. To say that that's kind of how spirituality works in a way, right? I mean, it's not necessarily completely linked to money in things and trinsic Lee, when we give out love, chances are, if you're giving it out, and there's no expectation to get it back, you'll get it back in spades. And so it is and so it is with this quarter, at alldis, where you can go in there, leave a car behind, right leave a car behind menu and just be like, do try to be the one that remembers the quarters, right? Maybe this is like maybe maybe you're not rich, maybe you don't have a lot to get. But I can guarantee you can always give a quarter as an opportunity to give somebody something that saves on exponential in lifetime frustration for 25 cents. And ever since I've done this, where I've left a quarter behind. I've always been kind of like rewarded, like I'll come back to the car and there's a quarter like there the ground by my feet. I've gone in and found dollar bills sitting around every time it is and just in that parking lot at the Audi's where I have left the quarter behind. And to me, this is kind of again this this is not to say you know what you give kind of freely comes back to you plate and just such a small way that if it works for a quarter, what else does it work for? How do you start to level that up? What do you what do you ratchet that up to maybe you can give a few bucks to your local charity. And see things start to open up for you. Maybe you start to give to a charity 1020 bucks here and there. Or even one of the things that I found that is pretty it's pretty cool is to tip more than like you would normally set more than you would normally if you did it for a whole year. It would be less than 1000 bucks most likely, right? So it doesn't mean you know if you get it to tip more than you normally work, whatever that means to you. I come from a restaurant industry so I know that I know that if I get 20% kind of 15% like okay I guess I sucked, right, which is how good 20 percents like yay. And above 20%, it's like, it's like, man, thank you.

Unknown Speaker 10:13 That was awesome. Like, I remember, now I remember this person, I remember their face, I remember, I just, I, I'm touched by their generosity, touch by their generosity. Knowing that chances are, whatever I did wasn't mean may not have been worth over that point percent.

Unknown Speaker 10:42 And so I've definitely taken into, you know, going anywhere from 30 40% tips lately, for more often than not, not every time. But there's a, it just made me feel good to be able to do that to leave something greater than 15 20%. And knowing how it made me feel, and hopefully that person too, is, is there days made, maybe, maybe now they can get a few extra things they wanted to get. Maybe they don't have to take the next table so they can go home to their kids, any any of that stuff. Honestly, it's just like,

Unknown Speaker 11:36 these are a couple of small things where you can make a massive difference in somebody's life. And it doesn't even need to be that hard. It doesn't even need to be that hard. And here's the beauty of it is I promise you like something else is gonna show up in your life that someone's exactly like,

Unknown Speaker 11:57 what you gave out in time. Right What you gave out, like, in a time meeting, if you gave it with love and gave it with Derek and gave it without, like this massive attachment opens up this kind of

Unknown Speaker 12:17 free flowing current as we're looking at currency, that opens up this free flowing cart, if you're willing to let it travel through you, then

Unknown Speaker 12:30 then it's a good chance of it continuing to flow through you to dam it up, stagnant. And then there's, if you're not familiar with aquaculture, and you're not familiar with how some bodies of water will just dam up or dam up and create some type of septic now, it just won't be nice. Right? It'll be swamp like it'll be nasty smell. And that's kind of how how looking good. Like and it was become infectious in that way. And just any kind of goodwill can become that way. Maybe your significant others giving kindness that you want, right? And it's almost like a form of jealousy and desperation to hold on to that or keep it from, from anybody else seeing. But the whole idea again, goes goes to Audi's and my buddy, I know he mentioned it too easy, super easy way to pay it forward. I'm taking us to the next level to say now he can pay it forward. Do it in kindness. Do it with without expectation of anything in return. However, you'll always be open to it returning in a way that you don't really expect that then when you see it you know for certain that it came from that seed that you planted in the universe. Keep an eye out for it. super curious how that resonates with you do have a story that similar you've given out something huge, and all of a sudden got something in return. Just simply by your own giving nature. Let me know Brandon at spiritual dope, calm love to hear from you.

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Dorrie is a holistic lifestyle coach and animal communicator/healer based in Auckland, New Zealand. She has a background in sports, beauty therapy, therapeutic massage, reconnective healing, astrology, NLP, EFT, Reiki, Zen, Tai Chi, Kempo and Qigong. She is certified Ren Xue and Yuan Qigong instructor and a gifted Qi therapist.

Today's interview is centered around her participation in the documentary "Already Free".

Brandon Handley 0:41
4321 Hey, there's spiritual dope. I'm on today with Dorrie Van Roij-Houtappels helped me outdoors. Do you? You got you got Dorrie. Okay. And then. So Dorrie comes Dorrie comes to us by way of a documentary called already free. And this documentary follows both theory. And there's other gentlemen, Norbert no barito. Who they, they, they came together through like, transformative transformative practice of Qigong. And you know, throughout the decade long a practice of this practice in the wrenches system, Dori was able to come to a place of you can say enlightenment, or this kind of awakening. And this is a practice that you've been doing door has been doing for over 10 years now. And it's currently has her own practice offers one Gong classes, and works one on one as a holistic lifestyle coach. And you know, you're out there to inspire people talk a little bit earlier, and women in particular are is one of the you know, that's an area that you're highly focused in right now. And we've been trying to get together now for what three, four months story is exactly. This big thanks for being on the podcast that you're in New Zealand, it's 9am there on Sunday. And I appreciate you waking up to do this today.

Dorrie 2:17
Well, I'm very happy to be here, finally. And to really to spend some time together. So I look forward to this as a

Brandon Handley 2:25
thank you. So you just say checked out a podcast or two and some of the stuff that goes on. So you may have heard the question you may not have, I like to start us off with the whole idea that we You and I are vessels for, you know, universal creative energy, and it flows through us and to somebody else, like for great meetings. So the idea is that somebody is going to be listening to this podcast today. And there's a message that can be delivered only through you only right now and to that person, what would you say that messages or

Dorrie 3:02
that you truly can believe in yourself? And that you, you can find yourself? Because I think that is what we all are doing here on earth? We are really looking for the truth. The true you, isn't it? Who am I? Who am I really and I think that when you look at that, that you really can find yourself. So just not giving up? I'm looking for the ways what? What is beneficial for you to find yourself. Because if I can do it, then you can do it too, because we all are humans.

Brandon Handley 3:40
with that. I mean, it's I love I love the message. And you know if you could clarify what you mean, right? What does it mean to find yourself and you know, what did you What have you discovered? about who you are?

Dorrie 3:54
Huh? Yes? That's a good question. And of course, a very big question. But for me, when you look at my history in my life, it sometimes hasn't been that easy. And I think we all have our life story. And we all have our challenges to go through life. But what if the biggest challenge would become your biggest treasure in life? And so, what I always ask people is to look deeper and to look in a broader way to life to understand life better. And with that, I mean, it is that we are really feeling and that we think that it is reality at this moment what we are doing but the question is, is it that way? Is that what you think that you are? Is that reality? Or is there maybe a deeper you somebody who is really connected Did with everything I mean, without who is connected with nature, who is truly connected with all the human beings who really feels at home within themselves, and who truly feel what you say in the beginning that creativity, because that is what I, what I have experienced, and also how I've been learned all the information that that person is always there. But you are not aware of that person yet. And so that person, why can't you see that yet? It was because, yeah, we are more running alive with a lot of patterns. And so what are, yeah, I can go deeper. And that may be later I think that too, truly find behind the habitual ways of thinking what you are now doing in your life, to find behind there, your heart, for example, with all the beautiful qualities, which can steer you through life, that has, that can have a great impact on your life, which it also did for me.

Brandon Handley 6:19
Now, that's definitely a lot of great stuff in there, right? Feeling feel, especially feeling at home with yourself, as you're mentioning, the idea of the creativity finding this way through, you know, kind of your own internal creative devices. And then the idea that the real you is always there. So let's talk a little bit about that as as, as we as we kind of go through these different layers and your journey there. And I think that where we want to start off with is a little bit about the documentary, right? And what is the what is the where to go the system, right? The the Qigong system that you went through the the ranchu system, right, and how you got involved with that, why you got involved with it, and kind of where that led to for you.

Dorrie 7:13
is unbelievably cheap. Would you like me to start with? Well,

Brandon Handley 7:16
I mean, so you got involved with the, you know, the ranchu system? What led you there? And what is that?

Dorrie 7:23
Yes, well, as you probably also can hear how I speak English. It's not my first language. So I'm coming from the Netherlands. And we emigrated I say, we that is my husband and two children, then they were still at the age from what is it four and six. And we emigrated now 13 years ago to New Zealand. And I really got drawn to this country here in New Zealand. Because of just a feeling what I felt I thought all that nature and it is so so you know what, I just got drawn to it. And also for the children one thing for them to grow up in a more natural way as as being in a very busy country from the Netherlands. And so we went to New Zealand and I so I, I already did their healing work, I did more animal healing, and also for people. And I was looking for a way for myself to relax more to find something nice for me to do in my free time. And suddenly, I just found somebody who was actually growing vegetables and the vegetables at that place. They tasted so beautiful. I never had this that's such a beautiful fetch the boats and I told her, I said, Oh, that is so amazing. Wow, what is that? What kind of secret are you using? And then she said, Yes. Well, when I'm gonna tell you that about it. You're gonna be surprised. And I thought Oh, really? Yes. She said it is undo when she gone. She said, I said Oh, really? Well, I know what she gone was because I did that a little bit in the Netherlands already. So and she Gong is a form. Well, most of the time when I explain it to people, it is Tai Chi. And most of the people are aware what it is. But actually Tai Chi comes from Shi Gong, it's a very old form what we use in in China, China. For movements, we use movements, breathing techniques. But there's it more. You use the hands with it. And yeah, all kinds of things are kind of meditations moving mad at Asian. And so that is what she did there at that moment that apparently she used that also to grow her vegetables with. That was really very interesting, of course for me, so I thought I'd give this a try. Well, that's how my journey there started. And I must say, although I did healing work, I find myself sometimes not in really the best state. And, and even with doing she gone, I noticed when I do it, that she gone in the beginning that I immediately already felt a lot better. That was also very strange for me that I could feel the results over so quick. And so when I was doing the, the sheet wrong, I still had the feeling that I yeah, how do I say that? That I still? I was in a good state, and then I went home, and then my state dropped again. Yeah, and especially when you have little children? I you must be actually in a good state, isn't it? Because they, yeah, they

Brandon Handley 11:12
do real quick, if you don't mind what you what do you mean by not in the best date? Like just

Dorrie 11:17
yeah. So what what is what is actually a normal state, a normal state is when you are relaxed, calm and natural. And so for me, that is that is normal, there is no other state. And that may be seems now for you, then strange. But when you are going to learn about this, then you then you understand that that's, I think the way you've been brought up that you have learned that it is normal to be angry, it's normal to be very sad, or whatever, because we do have our emotions. And then I now I have learned, yes, of course, we are all human beings. But the question is, do we really have to do that? Maybe we can develop ourselves and grow. So that we learn and that we don't have to do this anymore? And that we can stay in a normal state what I say in a calm, relaxed and natural way. And that it's really possible.

Brandon Handley 12:23
It is that where you your your your quote, unquote, normal state was, you know, you would still have anger, was there depression involved as well? Was your normal state is low, would you just say you were kind of in your normal state was low and you you were doing the Qigong. And while you're doing Qigong, you were able to not feel that way you were able to feel this sense of calm that you're talking about this normalization of feelings. Whereas as soon as you stopped it, then you would go right back to the not the best state that you were talking about.

Dorrie 13:04
While it is not that that every time is the same, of course, sometime you stay long in that state. Yes, it is that you you notice that when you are doing the Shi Gong, that immediately your whole energy level goes up. And that you can feel very calm and really very relaxed, and you're in beautiful states. And so that is of course, very nice. But and that I think that is also for other modalities when I look at a yoga. So a lot of mothers Tell me when I do the yoga, it's very nice, but then I lose my good state again. Well, that is exactly where their Rancho system comes up. So, we are talking about doing she Gong, but that is not all that is not what what makes it that you reach the state that you go to that state. It's not about reaching, it is about just going there. And so, the rain shoe system, it is really a holistic system. So what do you do there, you learn what your mind is doing the whole day. You learn how to, to find other ways to get yourself back into balance. You learn about nature, because nature is very important to go to that state. We are not so much connected anymore with nature in this ever fast going world. So learning about nature, about the rules from nature, I think that's also important. And then so you learn about your heart. You learn what it is to have an open heart And so the founder from the system, that's young say. And so the, the, he talks about having the five heart qualities. And here we are talking about openness, trust, openness, love, gratitude, and utmost respect and gorging. And so you learn about these qualities. So and so there are nine methods in this holistic system, which is really a lot. So you have the the moving meditations, you have stillness. So you do still practice where you stand still, where you learn to focus, where you learn to be quiet. And then so learning about your mind with this presence, learning with the heart, learning to, to be in the present moment. And so that is all coming together. And you know, one person needs more this one person needs more depth. But I've never seen an holistic system, but it's so broad, what brings it all together to reach higher realization, wisdom and growth.

Unknown Speaker 16:19
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Brandon Handley 16:22
so you've got your five heart qualities, you've got your methodology, where Now where was the system developed? Or are you able to share that?

Dorrie 16:30
Yes, so the Shi Gong, the first basic information, what Yonsei has, it comes all from China. And it has its its roots from traditional wisdom. And you can think about that wisdom, kung fu wisdom, the Buddhism, the martial arts, yeah. And so there is all that that foundation, but when Yonsei came to New Zealand, so he emigrated from China, to New Zealand, he figured out by traveling also, through all the places also in America and Europe, that people need that they're a different system, and that he really wanted to, to put all the tools in there, what we, as Western people really can good can understand. And so that is when he developed here, the young Gong system here in New Zealand, with these nine methods.

Brandon Handley 17:30
Okay. And so I got, you know, my guesses then, like, these are, you know, sounds corny to say ancient Chinese wisdoms, right, but like, these ancient Chinese wisdoms that he has put into place, in a holistic system, right. So it's not just a Chee Gong, there's other pieces and involved in it, and he's put it all together to have a complete system

Dorrie 17:54
is, and that is also what you really will feel if you're going to practice it, because I have really done quite some other practices in my life before that, I started this, but I, you know, you every time have questions about life, and so I did one thing and then I had questions, and then I went to the other system, and then I again, other questions came up, and I hoped like that, but when I finally found this system, I really got all the answers that I have in life. And that was so unique. And so, every aspect of life we are talking about. So that is also where you can say teach us about it can be death, it can be about, for example, the COVID. Now, it can be your physical health, it can be anything. And so having there abroad or look with somebody who has reached such a high level of wisdom, it's really interesting to Yeah, for your own growth in life.

Brandon Handley 19:01
Were you able to work with him in person?

Dorrie 19:05
Yes, awesome. Yeah, no,

Brandon Handley 19:07
I think that's, you know, that's highly beneficial. Right. So there's lots of systems online, that you have access to in terms of with a lot of like, even yoga practices or other meditation practices. But the idea of having that person in person with you, and not just online, I think that makes a very big difference.

Dorrie 19:29
Um, well, I agree. I did that also, in the one I've stated before the COVID. I felt that and so we all went to retreat from him. And so before the, for example, the teacher training that was every year, two weeks, that we all gathered together, and then in the meantime, we could see until but through the COVID we have learned that it actually isn't the problem because if feeders are live streaming the information, what comes from there, through the whole community, what is built very strongly will receive them also this information. And I think that you, you can make shifts very easily being together, what we call the key and the key field, if that makes sense. I

Brandon Handley 20:23
think I think that, uh, there's, there's a, there's that element of trust, and everybody kind of focused at the same time on the same thing, and together, you know, to create or be immersed in that field together. So I think that that that certainly makes sense to me. You've mentioned that some of some of your biggest questions were answered, right? What was like, what's an example of one or two of the big questions that were answered? Some question is, it's very important that your vegetables taste differently to.

Dorrie 21:00
Yes, so I learned to grow my vegetables in the way that that lady did. And yes, you can really taste it. And it is with anything that you do in life when you learn to put a chip in it, so that is the energy and it and the mind into it, then your whole meal, what you're cooking for the day can taste completely different and, and that are so many other things that you asked me my questions about life, it certainly had to do about death. That I felt that because I've always been very intrigued in in that are always in my life from a very young age. And so I got there the confirmation that, that it was the way I was feeling about death. And, and now I truly also can feel that after I've made this last bigger step, I don't know how to explain it differently, I must say.

Brandon Handley 22:04
Would you say that that the it's a shift, right? Would you say that the place that you're at now is just simply a shift from where you were before? Not necessarily different, but different, right? I mean, it's it's really hard to kind of put in the terms. I was the Buddhist line or Buddhism line I don't know if it's true or not, but you know, before enlightenment, chop wood carry water after enlightenment, chop wood carry water. Right. So but there's wood you there's just a different quality to life, which is

Dorrie 22:43
Yes, it is. So yeah, on the one hand, we can say there is nothing special. But on the other hand, yes, it truly is special and why is it special? Because I'm everyday in a good state. And every moment of the day in a good state. Well, that was not something what I could say that I was what you mentioned, of depression, not feeling sometimes really deeply alone in life. And now feeling the feeling that I always feel in a good and an uplifted state and I'm very content and harmonious inside myself. I think that is on the one hand truly a miracle. And to and but on the other hand, yes I am just me so there is nothing special.

Brandon Handley 23:36
Dori how long what you know how long did it take you to a recognize that that space was available for you? And then the How long did it take you to maintain that state of being?

Dorrie 23:53
Well, to maintain I still I still am the same. So it is still my state like that since that it happened. So not nothing has changed. Only my life has more depth now though

Brandon Handley 24:07
when So when did you have that realization for yourself? Like how long a doctor practicing that she gone?

Dorrie 24:16
Yes, well, when I give this answer now to you, then people are going to compare themselves with me. We are going to do this and that is actually not what I would like to do. Because you know when I learned that I when I started to do she gone, the system was not yet there. And so the system now is is fully there with all the nine methods. And so people who are now starting they go faster through it. So I did first the senang she gone and when people are doing she gone than they know what I'm talking about. And then I started to do this system that in total, I'm learning from Yancey for now for 12 years. So better the last four years have been really intense for me

Brandon Handley 25:13
just in terms of that quality of life that you're talking about the transition and change where you that have entered your life,

Dorrie 25:21
or years, but right from the beginning. And so when I would say the first seven years, I made my make huge shifts in growth in my life. And I can also see that in all from all the teachers who are went through this course, we all really have changed completely I can see everybody has had so much growth in their life.

Brandon Handley 25:46
No, and that I love that. I think that's great. And I think that it's fair and I understand your reluctance to, you know, state how long your journey has been, simply due to the fact that everybody's journey is their own right. I mean, somebody somebody could get to a certain spate in the blink of an eye, and somebody, it may take 40 years. And and so with any with any practice, the practice is to become more yourself, as you were talking about in the beginning, right, finding out who you are, and being comfortable with who you are, and understanding who you are, versus if so, yeah, versus becoming or attaining this thing within a specified period of time.

Dorrie 26:39
Yeah, that's just what you're saying. You never know, of course. What makes it that you are able to make that step has to do with your previous life? Yes, I think so. But on the other hand, I can see so much growth from the people who are who have done this, the system, that is really remarkable. And so, at the moment when I have this big step, and before me, also, there'll be for me, Norberto Rodriguez had the same, which is remarkable, isn't it that two people in the same system, go to that step, and other people are following. So because we are human, so we can we can do that, too. And so I think really, when you when you are in that, yeah, in that flow, and also when you when you receive that theoretic information, I think that a lot is possible that when you already then yeah, you get that push to do it. Right?

Brandon Handley 27:47
How would you say this work has impacted your family life?

Dorrie 27:54
Yes, very beautiful question. It has changed to the life of, of our family members, for all of us. It all has a lot of impact. And so now our children are at the age of 20, and 18. And so they are really in the face of gaining a lot of information from learning, you know, learning in at university, but then he didn't have changed a lot. Yes, they are so much connected with themselves. And hear well, there is peace and harmony in home. And which i think it's it's a very beautiful thing. And that is the same for my husband. So he has been on this journey with me. And so it's not that he is really doing the course here. But he learns from just me talking about life, of course, and when you are open to that you can grow to. And so we can say that we have made a big change that we all are and we all are every time taking new steps. It's amazing to see your children grow in this way.

Brandon Handley 29:19
I think that it's interesting that you bring up to the idea that your husband while he's not in the course with you, he is learning through kind of what you're doing. He's opened himself. One of the questions that I see a lot of people ask is, you know, you're growing dories growing at Dorries rate, and you're growing in like, you know, by by this practice, and maybe he's not growing as fast as you or a perceived, you know, so how do you answer that question? You know, what if my spouse or significant other isn't growing at the same rate or the same way I am, what are your thoughts, sir? Well

Dorrie 30:00
I have learned to look inside myself to answer that question. And I think it is also that you can find there your solution to that, because it makes me even more eager to grow more in my life. Because I think when you reach a high level of realization, then you can feel compassion for the other, you can understand the other, you can see the patterns, the struggle where another person goes through in life. And so then you also can, can react in a different way to that person. So, for example, when, when the person next to you becomes angry, you can be upset from that. But that then actually means that maybe you need to work a little bit more on yourself. Because why should I become angry when another person is angry? Maybe I can find different tools to let that person understand life better. And worse, also, what I have done,

Brandon Handley 31:14
right, so sounds sounds. Yeah, so sounds like sounds like, you know, if it seems like that growth or activity isn't spiritually aligned with who you are outside of you, you still need to look inside of yourself, right? If it's coming from outside, you know, that anger somebody else is angry, or, or maybe somebody else is in growing it, quote, unquote, the rate that, you know, they, quote, unquote, should be, right, the truth of the matter is that it's still you that needs to grow and needs to find and or create that space to allow for for just long, and again, it's all you Is that what you're saying, Yeah,

Dorrie 31:58
yes, every second of the day, you need to have awareness about yourself. So when that will disturb you, when that other person would have that emotion, then it means that you need to come and action and do something about it, to get yourself back to that good state, because something is going on there. Because if you are in a very good state, if you are in that feeling of high realization, you don't need to be bothered by anything. Nothing needs to be happening. There you are, everything is already okay. The way it is, isn't that.

Brandon Handley 32:35
Right? Absolutely. We just have a real tough problem. Like, it's a challenge if you haven't done some of this work already. To see that. Right. You know, back to your earlier point, you know, the real you is always there, this person that you're talking about that that you are that this realize being right and and always having this, this this potential state that always exists, right? This potential you that always exists, it's just your ability desire to cultivate it, and sit with it. Is that what you're saying?

Dorrie 33:20
Yeah, so that that person who you really are. So I tried to explain it, that person who you really are, is highly connected. Yeah, it's, it's connected with your spirit, your soul. So we call it in the red shoe with this, your shin. And so that is also what you take with you, when you when you die, that's what you always will take with you. And that's part is highly connected with your heart. So, when you were born, you were connected with that part. Yet you you felt all your heart qualities on what I was talking about in the beginning, I trust, openness, love, gratitude, and that through respect, but one when you're going through life, and that is already in a very early stage. You you get experiences in your life, isn't it? It's normal, of course. And so, bit by bit the pure information how you were born becomes vague, we can see. And so you you there get patterns. Now, what are patterns? What are patterns in our life? Well, it is information, what is received, processed and used in the same way. Repeat repeatedly. So let me explain it to you. With let's let's explain that just with with driving a car when I'm Driving a car, you know, can you remember how you in the beginning had to learn to drive the car? You were looking with? With what food do I need to, to bring to use the brake. And then when something what came on the road, you really had to start thinking about that I Oh, wait, I need to do this. And then I need to put my right foot on the brake. And then it happens that my car will stop here. After a while. Yeah, you don't know better. And suddenly a duck comes on the road, and you just you would use your brake, you just do that it becomes automatically Yes, right. And that is actually the same what happens in your life with many, many things. It can be on a habitual way. For example, using now the COVID, we couldn't go outside and you come back, you are at home and you want to go for your dinner and you have your dinner ready. And you think I'm going to sit for in front of the TV, and you sit there and you eat your meal. And the next day you think attipas actually quite nice. It was cozy there. I do that again. But before that, you know, you sit every day in front of the TV, eating your dinner. Yeah. And that is the same things within life. But then on a different way on in the with the consciousness. So maybe you're saying now something to me, like Dorrie. Whereby let's let's Ms. Now think I must have come up with an example. Though, let's do a talk here. And I immediately feel that I can't do that. And so why actually Shouldn't I do that? Because it's something what is naturalism there to do with talk? But no, it reminds me of when I went to primary school, and I had to do a speech there. And that was actually really very scary for me. So now I can't be natural anymore in that. And I just say, No, I don't, I don't have time for that. But actually, what really is there is a lot of fear. And that is a pattern, what is underneath there under the skin, what is going on. And so there are a lot of presence in your life, really a web of patterns. And it can be like that you want to hide for yourself, it can be like that you feeling greed, actually, which is a normal thing. But still, that you feel great. It can be that you are suspicious in life, that are a lot of patterns. While and this is what we learn that when you have awareness in your life in when something happens in your daily life, that you detect what kind of things that are playing, and that you can do something about that, that you can change it. You never can say all now I'm not doing it anymore. That's not possible. It's that it is

it is in the brain a shortcut to do things. So we have to do it that way. But we want to have good patterns in life, the healthy beneficial profits, and not the patterns will give us this Yeah, not free and natural life. So when we work on that, when we really work on these patents, then suddenly there comes space in your life that cause more calmness in your life. And so when you then work on these heart qualities, you can suddenly go deeper feeling yourself, which is really very interesting. I would say that

Brandon Handley 39:08
that's something that the feeling ourselves. And the snap natural state is something that in western civilization, that we're kind of trained out of. Right, and kind of what you're talking about is these patterns that we develop. We refer to it oftentimes as our programming, right? our default programming is like, Hey, you know, I'm, I'm going to do this thing because of that result that I had that one time or vice versa, like you're saying, right? Like, it's really scary up in front of class, second grade, and I don't want to have to feel that feeling again. So whatever I can do to avoid that feeling. I'm going to keep doing and what you've learned through your practices is to kind of go through see that within yourself and learn how to feel through it. around it and get yourself into a place of this free and natural and what and my guess is that when you're staying free and natural is to express yourself without that fear to be yourself without that. inhibition, and and fear, right? So you're liberate yourself from from something like that Is that Is that about right?

Dorrie 40:23
And that is being at home.

Brandon Handley 40:25
Yeah, that's beautiful. I love it. So you're doing this practice, now you've got, you've got your own practice. But you also mentioned that you've got an A Women's International charity that you're working on or practice that you're working on, you want to share a little bit about what that is, and oh, yes, thank you,

Dorrie 40:44
Toby, on 2022, we are going to start with a foundational program. And yes, it is a charitable trust for women and the name is so she is now. And yeah, it's really beautiful. So the information comes totally from the rain shoe system. But that is that we are really focusing on the female females in the world of female energy in the world. Because I think that that is important. Now, that is that is how I felt it that it is important that the women really can find themselves here. I think they this we can see that also in the leadership in the world, the women really aren't doing very well isn't

Brandon Handley 41:33
wasn't New Zealand that had like a really great Prime Minister. I don't know what the is the prime minister, she did some really great you know, you New Zealand went through this with female labour COVID with female leadership, and that was highly regarded.

Dorrie 41:51
Yes, very beautiful from jacinda. Arden. And but that is not that is not all that I see in the world, what I can see is that the women, they have the connection, they really have a beautiful connection to spread a message in the world, through their own families. And by being becoming mothers, for example, and to share this with our own family members, because that will beneficial also very much are a man in the world. And I think that we need some more of these feminine qualities to to reach more peace and harmony in the world.

Brandon Handley 42:36
When you say feminine qualities. What do you What are you saying?

Dorrie 42:41
The the qualities, to use your heart the qualities to connect with each other. I think that women are very good in Connect making connections with each other. And to feel that the heart qualities can can bring. Yeah, profound change in the world. But as I said, we need to first dive into learning how your mind works and to Yeah, to to make that change

Brandon Handley 43:14
for ourselves. Right, I forget the term. It's a Buddhist term that talks about the heart mind connection, it sounds like that's what you're trying to do. Right, you're taking you know, whereas I would say that the two differences, probably my own observation would be the two different primary differences between male and females that females lead with their heart, right that the innate connection, and then men tried more to lead with their head, you know, I'm not saying that women don't but just as a as a, you know, which one takes over most time, like men try to lead with like more logic and, and, you know, these these lines versus with their heart, right? So by combining your head and your heart, you're able to really, you've got there's a whole different thing happening there. And Buddhism has a term for it, I forget what it is off top my head. But that sounds to me a little bit what you're doing, you're saying Alright, listen, with your with your feminine qualities which are already innate with you, let's, let's bring that to connect with your mind. So that you know we can really express and, you know, take your place, you know in life, right. Let's go ahead and lead from that space.

Dorrie 44:31
Yes, absolutely. And yet, you can see when when I look at the evolution from the women, of course we have changed a lot. But we had to receive our rights as women and but the question is if that went No, it went of course the way it had to grow. But now it is time to come back home more to your authentic A women qualities, because we have been always like, well, it's more like fighting against the man that you also go there, you know, like the like, feeling these same qualities that i think it's it's not, it's not what we really want to do we want to just to come home in our own qualities, and that can bring change for our men also in the society.

Brandon Handley 45:25
Oh, yeah, I mean, I think it's funny, like I'm feeling the vision more than I'm seeing it right now what you're saying, and I understand. Definitely, I think a challenge two to present it. But I feel I can feel where you're going with it. And, you know, I think that's I think that's fantastic. And I think that there's the time is certainly now. Right. for for for that. And I think that, um, I think the space is open for it, right that what you're doing the work that you're doing. And I think that it's definitely, definitely necessary. Right? And it's not it's not i think is it's not this combative nature and space and place that women need to be in, they need to be in their own right space. And you know, and it's it's difficult to put, I think, into words, but I understand, I think, where you're headed with it. And so I'm definitely looking forward to seeing how that goes for you. And I think that that's a great work that you're doing and putting out there.

Dorrie 46:32
Now, thank you. That's very, very lovely. Yeah. And I can understand that, that you that it's not at this moment for people is that you think, yeah, how is she going to do that. But it is going to be in a very practical way. Because I understand very well that most of the women don't have so much time during the day, actually. And, but you can see that what I have done now, I also have two children and a job and I still am able to do this and to reach the state. So then when I can do that, and everybody in the world can do that, isn't it. And so I thought about this, and I thought, we really need to do this in a practical way that you get the core information and to use it in your daily life. You need to use it in the heat of the moment, you know, when something is happening, then you must be able to have tools to grow and to come back home and yourself. And so yeah, I hope that I can surprise you. Yeah, listen, next. Yeah, I

Brandon Handley 47:41
think I think that, um, you know, I think it's, it's the intent to do it, how it has to happen. It's still unfolding for you as my guests, right? It's still unfolding, and it's still presenting itself, but it's in motion. And, and you're a part of it, right? You're, then that's that's really, I think all you can say, right, as it develops and as you present it. So, Dorrie, is there anything else that you would want to cover or share with the listeners of this program today?

Dorrie 48:13
Um, well, maybe if I if they haven't seen for sure, they can have a look at the website there. And then they that will lead them to the place where they can have a look at the documentary because especially also when you have physical problems, physical problems, mental problems, quite questions about life, I think it's really worth it that you will have a look at that documentary. And when you are looking that you are just feeling inside yourself, actually, what am I feeling now that I am receiving this information? And that's it, this it tickle myself? Do I feel there something? Because I think that is a call from your heart. Right? Right. So if you do,

Brandon Handley 49:05
yeah, I mean, and the movie The documentary is is already free. And, you know, I can share out the link from that, so that people can go check that out. Basically, you know, they follow Dorrie, Norberto and they share the story of the red shoe system, and just kind of the changes that came into both Dorrie and Roberta's life. And you know, as Dora keeps saying is like, hey, if I can do it, you can do it too. It just takes it just takes and it's a practice, right or

Dorrie 49:38
Yes. And yeah, what I say when I can do with em, you can do with too, but I really would like to tell to the listeners. When you would have found something that is so profound. How would you spread that in the world? Tell me It is not so easy, of course, because the world is very big. But I really would like to give it to all of you. And that is also my, my goal now in my life to really to tell it to others, that there really is a lot possible when you really want Would you like to develop yourself

Brandon Handley 50:20
now apps? Absolutely, I think that there's, there's a place that you can get to and a space that you can get to that. I can't say that I'm in a consistent state that door is talking about, but I have had this experience of being in that place. And you know, that then the desire comes through. Alright, well, how do I keep myself in that space? Right. And and that's, that's, that's the challenge, especially with our busy lives, and all these other things going on these default programs that Laurie was talking about, and all the other ways that we've always been like, well, who do we really want to be? And I think Dorrie, that's, that's the story that you're sharing. So I've got a couple of questions for you. I kind of liken this podcast a little bit to a speed dating, right? Like somebody is going to come on my spiritual speed dating, somebody is going to come on listen to this podcast, it's in search of like, their next spiritual connection, right? The next, you know, somebody they want to date for a little bit in the spirituality space, right? Because there's so much out there, right. And it's a little tongue in cheek, it's a little kind of entertainment, but like, so I just have, like, one. Um, one quick question for you would be, what is our greatest distraction.

Dorrie 51:41
Our greatest distraction is our mind. And we need to catch ourselves when we are operating from the construct that says self identity. Our greatest destruction is really our mind, and we are not aware of it. We are not aware of where we are. And that is, when we have figured that out, then we can come home to ourselves.

Brandon Handley 52:08
You would say that's kind of the beginning, then to understand that we are you know, we're not our minds, and that our minds is the biggest distraction and starting to pay pay a lot of attention there.

Dorrie 52:19
Yes, so but you need to learn that, of course, if you don't know, we, you need to pay attention to them. Nothing happens. So somebody needs to tell you what to do. How to do that?

Brandon Handley 52:30
For sure. Yeah, absolutely. So I mean, one of the other things is I do a martial art, you know, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. And I always bring it up too, right? Like, I could be doing, I could I could do jujitsu my entire life without instruction, and I would never get it. Right. Right. I may, I may get a couple things, right. But by taking the lessons and having somebody that knows how to do it, and training me to do it, I'll then become aware of what I need to do in the right situations at the right time. So that, you know, I can find this calm and space in place versus doing it in a frantic worried, always concerned kind of manner. I have these techniques, these tools that you're talking about with this system that you can put into place. Right so that um, yeah, yeah, yes. Very. Yeah. So Dorrie, thanks again, so much for being on today. I hope you enjoy the rest of your Sunday morning. And you know, so somebody, you know, again, outside of already free if somebody wants to come check out what Dorrie is up to, where could they go to find out more about you and your organization that you have planned? coming for? 2022?

Dorrie 53:39
Yes, so well, the organization from rain shoe, it is the rain shoe international.org. But rain shoe, you spell that r e n and then x UE it's a little bit tricky. It's a little bit tricky sometimes for people. Well, and for 2022. The we don't have already our professional website up but we do have the the website up for donation for the charity. And you can have a look there at She is now.net. There you can find our information.

Brandon Handley 54:18
Thank you, Dorrie. And are you taking clients now yourself as a coach?

Dorrie 54:24
Well, because you mentioned that in the beginning, at this moment, we are just producing all the content for Yeah, for the launch from a she is now but after that, I probably will do that again, my, my personal coaching because I do that

Brandon Handley 54:42
for people all over the world. So that's on hold a little bit right now until you've got this other piece as well. Fantastic Dorie, I know that I know that that's going to be very successful for you. I can you know, I've got a great feeling for it. Myself, and when you describe it, it just feels feels very Yeah, absolutely. It feels very good. clear for you. Right and that that path is is is open for you. So thanks again for being on today.

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Unknown Speaker 0:00 Your journey has been an interesting one up to hear you've questioned so much more than those around you. You've even questioned yourself as to how you could have grown into these thoughts. Am I crazy? When did I begin to think differently? And why do people in general appear so limited in his thought process? Rest assured, you are not alone. The world is slowly waking up to what you already know inside yet can't quite verbalize. Welcome to the spiritual dough podcast, the show that answers the questions you never even knew to ask, but knew the answers to questions about you this world, the people in it? And most importantly, how do I proceed? Now moving forward? We don't have to have all the answers but we sure do love living in the question. Time for another hit of spiritual dub with your host, Brandon Handley. Let's get right to today's episode.

Brandon Handley 0:40 Hey there spiritual to Brandon Handley here. And I'm on today with Don Smith. Don is here from Prince Edward Island. However, if you're watching the video, you know that that's that's not Prince Edward Island. So for over 40 years, he's been working to crack the code to transform humanity's toxic programs instantly. Example, all personal development programs are based on a foundation of negative and positive beliefs. Even the most accomplished and enlightened modern, personal development leaders like Tony Robbins scores just 400 on Dr. Hawkins consciousness scale, now, Don knows is either you or a team member reached out to me. And he said, Hey, you know, I want you to introduce me to the world. I know when you interview me, your listeners will be sitting on the edge of their seats and listening to you and I interacting, I promise you with an absolute certainty, it will be intriguing, truly thought provoking, and most entertaining. And you also talk a little bit about this event that you got coming up on September 20 seconds. And I think that, you know, it was while I was certainly intrigued when I got this email and looking forward to it, it was when you got to the part about working on humanity's consciousness for this thing. 210 scale on the David, Dr. David Hawkins consciousness scale to 704 hours. So I thought that was pretty exciting being a David Hawkins fan myself and for for that reason. Where's that? I brought, I brought the one book out that I've got handy. You know, I've gone out, you know, letting go right? He's got like, 40 different books, but for that reason done. That's why I said like, let's have this conversation. right off. I should be here today.

Donn Smith 2:24 Yeah, yeah, it's, uh, you know, what? Dr. Hawkins bridges the gap. And, and, and explains scientifically, what this is and how to measure it and all of those kinds of things. Because it's really hard. It's really hard to have tangibility with the shift that happens with people. And the only way you can do it is see on the conscious scale, how dramatically different this is. And literally, you know, on the 700 and above, he talks about ineffable. And that's the state people are in in the same day that we work together. And I've done numerous groups and perfected in a group level that everybody whether that's one. Well, I mean, there's more attention, of course, to a one on one always, but I'm talking about, I've figured out how to do the masses. And all in, you know, three, four hours. Actually, if I just did the process, it would be just a little over two hours. And I shouldn't be this literally telling me.

Brandon Handley 3:42 I'm sorry. I said I should have made this a two hour podcast is what you're telling me? We were doing the whole day? Yes. Yes. Yes. So so not not because I definitely want to I want to get into a bow we'd like to start this off with the whole idea that you and I are kind of vessels for universe, universal energy, right? And that whatever is coming through us is kind of games divine. And it is for a specific purpose was I'm sure you will know, right? You You are here for a specific purpose for delivering this in the way that you've learned out. What is one message coming through you today that you would share with the audience that can only come through the can only come through? Well, that'd be

Donn Smith 4:24 now the biggest thing is that we're all divine. Okay, number one. Number two, is that the only thing that stops us is the positive and negative beliefs of who we think we are. Which all got created in an instant. As a result of that, they can be all removed in an instant. And so all of those programs and all of those patterns can be all removed in an instant and they're left with their divinity.

Brandon Handley 4:58 Hello, that was When you when you're saying you're left with their divinity, what does that mean to you?

Donn Smith 5:04 Well, what it is, is it's who we are like, I liken the statue of David. Michelangelo when he finished carving the statue of David, and he was asking him any case, how did he create such a magnificent statue. He said, it was simple. I went to the quarry, I saw this big block of marble. Instantly, I saw David inside the back to my studio and proceeded to carve away all the marble that wasn't gated. What they say is, is we all are divine, just that we're, we're so covered with negative and positive beliefs of who we think we are kind of like in your, your piece there, you're bridging the gap between where you are now and where you want to be. But what that is, is who, from who we think we are, to who we truly are. And there's a major difference. And, and what I've done is I've cracked the code to had, it's the how brand, it's the how that I have that no one else has. Now I'm not saying that in a bragging manner. It's the How to able to do this instant thing. Like, you know, I, I did a group and it was we used to do the Spanish version on Saturday and Sunday version English version on Sunday. And, and then we, we figured that we could put them together to have the Spanish and the English together. And there was a lady on there, her name is Alexandra. And she had programs running for 70 years. They happened in one situation in one event at age three. Okay, so for 70 years, she was running these negative beliefs and positive beliefs and negative beliefs of who she you know, I'm not good enough. I'm not worthy. I'm not loved. I don't deserve this. No one loves me, whatever. And they're just layered and layered and layered. Well, the thing about it is this works like a phobia. And I asked people, Brandon, like, do you have a phobia of anything? And almost everybody, half say yes. Because they are familiar with the snakes and heights and ladders and coasting places, and bugs and all of that. But the other half don't know that they have one too. But it's off. I'm not good enough. I'm not worthy. I'm not. I'm imperfect, I'm flawed, I'm bad, and all of that. And they've got the same phobias, only they're towards their identity. And what happens is that I asked them, what's your phobia? Then I ask them how long they've had it. Then I've asked them how soon at what how quickly did they create it now takes a few to stumble, they stumble a bit for a second, then they say, Oh my god, it was an instant. And so let's go back to Alexander, in an instant when she was three Something happened, created all those beliefs. And she had it for 70 years. 70 years, and she had four grown children and grandchildren. It was gone. And then it was gone in an instant. It was gone in an instant. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 8:37 I believe it. Right. So it's, um, it's, it's a, it's powerful to remove a fear or a blockage. That, you know, in an instant like that, because when you when you realize that that can happen, you wonder how you can apply it to other things. Right, you want to apply today. Now, before we even get rolling a little bit more. You've already talked, we've already talked about David Hawkins a little bit and we talked about the consciousness scale. Did you want to run people a little bit through what that is? In case they're not familiar with it?

Donn Smith 9:13 Sure. Sure. So is it an action point, because it gives a framework. And so Dr. Hawkins when he wrote the book, power versus force, he had in there scale of conscience, zero to 1000. And he talks about, you know, rage and bitterness and evil and darkness and then depression. And, and, and you see go up the scale and the words change. And it's, and it goes up, like, you know, like, at that time when he wrote the book, it was 2204 out of 1000. That's what humanity's conscious as a whole was. When he wrote the book. It's now at 210 Based on based on his measurements, and so all of these words are, you know, like, you'll see lines, like at 200, then you'll see a line at 300, you see a line at 400. And then they get different when they get up, you know, to 607 100. And then it's just go seven to 1000. Well, and that's all measured, there's muscle testing, as you know, from knowing Dr. Hawkins. And it's those numbers that tell you, and the feelings and the emotions and the states that the person is in as to where they are on an honest on a scale on an average day. And so it measures that person's consciousness. And then you can do and there's muscle testing, there's different forms of muscle testing to test that. Now, one of the ways that when you're tested, that person has to be in integrity, for big data, an accurate reading. So if they're not in integrity, it will it will be a file three, it won't be accurate. And that can be measured. It'll be measured to it to a tee.

Brandon Handley 11:20 Yeah, so if you don't mind, I'll jump in a little bit, just a little support, right? The thing that I love, and I didn't realize that where we were on the consciousness level, but the thing that I love is that we're if we're at 200 210, what that means is that we are in as a world as well, Mary, you say, we're at courage, right? That's that level of courage and courage is the tipping point right into past fear past like all, you know, trying to get beyond like all the all the you know, score and hate craving and getting rid of the anger and desire after you know, you get you get past 200 you're in an empowerment process, right, guys, I'm looking at the book real quick. So I just did not committed to memory Where's, yeah, I've got so caught up. But you know, so and this goes all the way up and the scales are logarithmic. I'll share that with everybody too. And, and what Don's talking about is, is the way that he measures it with the muscles is really is tapping into the subconscious, and your body, which is already aware of kind of all the things and yeah, you'd have to read the books and check them out to go kind of deep into it. But it's been proven out with not like a couple 100 not a couple 1000, like several 1000s of people to prove this out. And what Don's talking about is, is, you know it with this with his transformation, of getting people up to 704 hours, from 200 to 700 is basically unheard of, and you know is putting you into he's calling he said that, Don, you said ineffable. But, you know that's, that's just shy of well, you know, Buddha and Christ were 1000 on this scale, getting up to 700 would put you into pure consciousness and an enlightenment level, just so everybody's aware of kind of what we're talking about. Right? So this is, you know, it's it's a, it's a very well studied science, it's well known. And it's been proven out that, you know, the stuff that David Hawkins, Dr. David Hawkins talks about is legitimate. And what is exciting, again, is that Dan is here. And he's got a process that gets you 700, almost instantaneously. So thanks, Don, I just wanted to throw that out there for the audience.

Donn Smith 13:43 Thank you, Brandon. I mean, your ability to articulate that, that clear fashion is very helpful for the listener, you know, because moms don't know about the scale and most don't know about the levels of consciousness. They don't know about what level they're at, or whatever. You know, and, and the thing is, all you have to do is look around the world to see where the masses are. And Dr. Hawkins talks about a person raising their conscience by five on average, five points in a lifetime. Five points in a lifetime. I'm talking about 500 points in three hours. Yeah. Like

Brandon Handley 14:24 Yeah, and let's not forget, that's a logarithmic scale to this isn't like even five five is is kind of a leap. But yeah, 500 is is is it's like a you know, so I'm thinking of the Spaceballs movie ludicrous Feat. Right.

Donn Smith 14:40 Right. Yeah. And and you know that the thing is, the state that they're in and the words that they use immediately, they actually soon as they're in that state, start feeding back instantly words from the state they're in which is That 700

Brandon Handley 15:01 Yeah, like what? What kind of words? What do we

Donn Smith 15:04 like one of the ads like this Alexandra, that was 73. Okay. I said, and what size is your heart energy now Alhambra is infinity. And what size? Is your worth energy now at 100? infinity? And what stage of safety? Are you still in safety? No, I'm invincible. None of those words I gave her. Yeah. That's what I'm talking about.

Brandon Handley 15:40 Tapping into infinite consciousness like that. Now what? So once you've once you've gotten them kind of tapped in to this, and they're in this space? Is this is this a permanent transformation, though?

Donn Smith 15:52 Yes. So now I need to use something for people to understand this piece. Because people need to know, they're already doing what I'm doing. They're just doing it in reverse. They're already doing and it's this is not magic. It's it's not. So let's go back to a phobia. Like anybody that has a phobia. And what I'm telling you is this, that phobia happened in an instant, in a second. And they created all these beliefs, both negative beliefs and positive beliefs about themselves, and about their world. They did it in an incident and almost always before the age of reason. And then they get locked in neurologically to that state, and just kept repeating it over and over subconsciously not being consciously aware of any of that that was happening. And they just keep doing it over and over. Now, not only did it happen in an instant, but it was permanent, and now handler's case, 70 years that's permanent. And so what it is, is about reversing the same process they've already been using, only in a way that is very, is a way of accessing their light, rather than being caught in their darkness. But it's the same process. I'm not giving them anything new. I'm showing them how to use what they already have done in a way that's for them rather than against them.

Brandon Handley 17:30 That's almost like a sort of a job, the map or something, right? So as we're kind of talking about the map of consciousness, it's almost like the someone says that they dropped it, they don't, or they couldn't read the instructions. And I love this idea that before the age of reason, low for you describe that a little bit more. But you know, so again, you're giving them kind of this map and the energy that they're already kind of leveraging in their lives today. is the same energy that they could be using in this other manner. Right? What you're saying, a redirection?

Donn Smith 18:04 Yeah, is it completely direction. So in other words, it's, that's where the ego gets created. And then everything is about fear. Everything is about who we're not everything is about being stuck and lost in their three states of, of our brains survival, either I'm attacking, I'm playing dead, or I'm running away. And all of those are all fear based, and they're all ego driven. The only difference is, they're at an identity level. So I'm not good enough, or I'm not worthy, or I don't deserve good things, or I'm not loved or I don't fit in no one loves me. I'm not saying the world's a terrifying place, and on and on. Because they're in that program. And the ego energies purpose is to keep them out of their life into that energy, so we can survive.

Brandon Handley 18:57 law I mean, so how do we start trying to light on that?

Donn Smith 19:00 And that's an awesome question. And, and it's twofold. What it is, is, it's impaired. Now, you know, I like I have preparation where people get this a lot what I'm giving you right now. And like their steps, their steps like for people to know about for example, here's what I start with Brandon, I start with the end. I start with the end, always. And what the end is, is that best moment, that best moment, that one moment where, oh my god, how did I do that? Oh, my goodness. And one of the ones that really stands out for most, especially women, but not always, is their firstborn and they held that beautiful age. That's all A lot of times the best moment. And then that best moment, they're in their divinity. They're in their divinity. And we start there as the framework is the foundation. So now they know what they're going for. And I check I asked all of the questions that describe that state that you're in, in this best moment. And, you know, all of those kinds of things. And, and then I explained this whole thing, that there's a single event that took you out of that, that that's your natural state. Not that you give birth every three hours. But that state that you Yeah, exactly. It's the state that you're in, when that's happened. And that that's like they Allah Hendra, that their their heart and your ci is the size of infinity. They're worth energies to size infinity, and they have this state of invincibility. That's your natural state. That's their divinity. And when they describe that powerful, best moment, that's what they're describing. So now they have that. And so that gives them the reference point, yes. Okay. And then what it is, is like, it's now keeping in mind, Brandon, I spent 41 years putting together 100,000 piece puzzle, to find out that's not how you do it. Okay. And so all of the ways that most are talking about it is not how you do it. Biggest thing is being able to eliminate that positive and negative belief system of who people think they are. That's the key. And it is a single moment in time. It's a single moment in time. And it was instant, that all of those beliefs got created in an instant. And so what I do is, I have I did a, I reverse engineered the phobia and near death experience to find out how it worked. Then I created a double sound technique to reverse that process as quickly as it was great. Like, doesn't that make sense? That if you did it, once, you could do it again, only it's against, it's for you instead of against you.

Brandon Handley 22:45 It's funny, because the thing that's going through my mind right now is Bob Proctor's got a line goes in your head, you made it ache, right? Yeah, similar, similar scenario, right? It's a cheer phobia that you created, you shouldn't be able to uncreate it is what I'm hearing you say?

Donn Smith 23:01 Yes. Now that there's, there's a difficulty with this. Here's the difficulty. A phobia is an intense experience, it's intense. And what happens is, you can't intellectually undo it, you can't think your way through it, you can't do your affirmations through it. It doesn't work that way. It's intense and it's in. It's, it's like, it's like, it's like this incredibly intense shock. And it can't be done intellectually, has to be done in the same way. And then when we come back to the before the age of reason, there is no logic, there is no reason there is no common sense before the age of reason. And so you have to go back to that system, to be able to reverse it in the way it was created. Which is neurological, which is at the moment of when it happened. And then I created this double sound technique to explode that system. And everything just disappears, vanishes.

Brandon Handley 24:11 That also explained that the double sound system for me,

Donn Smith 24:15 okay, now, keeping in mind, it took me about five years to unpack this near death experience and the phobia piece and to get them okay, how does that work? Like, what happened there? Like, what was that and and putting that all together? And what it is, is like it's an intense shock to the whole system, creating an identity of who they're not creating an identity of the world as they see it from that perspective. Okay, so that's what they're going on. All these behaviors are all from that event. And it was a shock. So if you talk about people, you know, like my dad was in the war, it was in the Navy went across the English Channel 28 times, and he come back with not a scratch. But he had post traumatic stress. Everything you were going to die, you were going to die from touching electric, like, what are you going to talk to? And not only that we were Irish Catholics are, you're going to go to hell when you did die. Okay, so it's like a double whammy? No one. No one in there. Oh, no waiting. There's no waiting there, man. No, no, no, none, none whatsoever. And so it was everything was about dying. And that's the ego. Everything is about dying. That's what it is. It's about death and dying. You're either in once again, either going to attack playhead or runaway. One of those three. And so they're in this constant fight or flight. But that's the when that happened. They created an identity created an ego identity, and it wants to stay alive, it wants to survive. And it will trick them. So when they, some people when they start to take a step forward to do a program that will eliminate it, all of a sudden is gigantic resistance, like a Mack truck exhibit resistance to taking that step forward. But what that is, is the ego trying to say No way. I'm saying in charge of you. I'm going to be the one in control. And it will find multiple ways to have them not take the process, pick the process and try to give it up. And that's when you would ask what about permanent? Well, remember now permanent, they already know how to do permanent. The only thing is, all you have to do is get around the constant, constant bantering of the ego, trying to get back in to get a hold and to get in church. And I have created ways. So there's three phases, the instant and then the permanent holding, and then acceleration. And that's all built in so that they can access and they have the support. Now some don't need it. I had one lady process GYN three and a half months without the negative thought another guy went 40 days without a negative thought.

Brandon Handley 27:33 I'd be happy to get to like a minute.

Donn Smith 27:36 Yeah, I think Brandon, I'm telling you. And that's I'm talking about the traditional model where were you know, there was one guy come in and he had spent, you know, 10 years at the top one in the world personal development. And and he had a, what I do is I get the whole the negative experience, do a muscle test, then a really good positive experience and doing muscle test and the best and do a muscle test. So their best moment and this guy had a best moment what he thought was the best moment was within this year program that he took, which is one of the top in the world. I do a muscle test on them. So when I did the negative, I put his finger his arm down muscle with a finger, my finger pinky finger. Then when he did the one with this top guy, I put it down with two fingers. Because it was the traditional model, it was the intellectual model.

Brandon Handley 28:37 Also, let's make sure the audience knows what that means. Right? So when so when when you put it down with two fingers, what does that mean?

Donn Smith 28:46 That means there was a muscle test I'm holding it I tested him for his name he tested me for you know, all of that and I couldn't budge his arm. I couldn't budget. So then when I get into think about a negative experience, you know, like losing a losing a deal, you know, a $20 million deal or something, then with one finger I can put his arm down. And then I asked him to think about this, this event. This one that he said was you know the best and I did the same muscle has same arm, same muscle test and I put it down with two fingers. And then I got him to think of an event and he told me about a healer like uh, you know, one of those you know that they're all cheering and all of that and he actually the guy was an authentic and something really powerful happened to him at that event. And he had this very cool awakening, but I couldn't budget okay. The only thing is he still had all his red and black and couldn't hold it. She couldn't hold that state. Well, that guy come in real quick when you say red, black, what

Brandon Handley 30:04 are you saying?

Donn Smith 30:05 Oh, I'm sorry. So the black is the negative beliefs about ourselves, I have a hockey puck type thing just for people to see that, and I know they can't see on here, but it's a, like a hockey puck. Black is the negative beliefs people have about themselves. And the red is the positive beliefs about themselves. Okay. And we started, he flew in from Dallas, we met one on one, from the moment we started to where we finished off, all of the programming was 90 minutes, 90 minutes start to stop. And in one second, with this double sound technique that I've created all of these programs for the company, they won't say the same as they got crazy. What's that mean?

Brandon Handley 30:50 You know, I'm just thinking of other sound devices that ultrasonic, you know, to disrupt, like, plaque in the mouth, or even like, you know, disrupt, you know, tumors in the body type of thing, right? This kind of that's just kind of what I envision is is like, you've got this double sound, and it just kind of shatters all the negative gone. Yeah,

Donn Smith 31:13 it shocks the system. I said, you need to have the same level of shock, but created it. That's right. That's why intellect doesn't work. That's why the affirmations don't work. Because it has to have the same level of shock to reverse the process.

Brandon Handley 31:36 That's so I mean, it's super, super interesting, right? Because the process was created by you. You know, the phobia, we're sticking with? phobias, right? The phobia is created by you. But you don't it's done unconsciously. Right. 100. And so it, it still has to be done through you to get rid of it. It almost again and unconscious manner. Right. So it's interesting.

Donn Smith 32:07 Yeah. And not is it it, like, I have them with their eyes closed. You know, they're just processing all of this, just as I'm leading them. Now. Keeping in mind, Brandon, I just don't go home to them. It's time. I made them through a process that prepares them and gets them ready, for sure. For all of this understanding, like challenging them about negative and positive beliefs challenged them about instant and permanent as far as that phobia, like all of those and neurological versus intellectual. And

Brandon Handley 32:42 then without ever speed down what is neurological versus intellectual?

Donn Smith 32:46 Well, intellectually, as I'm using my mind, I'm using my thinking process, okay. That's what I'm doing, to think about something and try to override it and try to be stronger, I just need to be stronger. I just need to, you know, I need I just need to do this, I need to, you know, just get serious here. Sure. But it's, that's not the system. So neurological is, you know, an automatic internal response to a specific external stimuli. That happens in an instant, or whether that's positive or negative. So if you look at a picture of your mom, or dad, or, or someone, they're almost exclusively, there would be a smile, or, you know, there would it would be automatic or Oh, I think I'll smile now. It's just automatic. And so do we have all of these neurological programs? So this is how I respond to this event? This is how I respond to that. How come this person responded totally different to a butterfly than the other person, one guy? And the other was? Wow.

Brandon Handley 34:03 So I guess if I were just to your triggers, right, these are the several options that are out there a lot of okay. Okay, thank you. I mean, that's, that definitely makes a difference, right understanding and what those two two are. So I appreciate that.

Donn Smith 34:17 And they're created neurologically. So they have to be on created neurologically. And they have to be the exact thing. It's like traces, traces it all the way back on our timeline, from their present to the origin of the event. And the those it's a timeline piece, all the way back to its origin. And then it's that double sound technique to shatters everything that beliefs, that decision, say May, the lessons all of that it's all done all at once. But it's done that at the same speed to which they created it. instantaneous. Yes, brand instantaneous mass. Fantastic.

Brandon Handley 35:06 That's fantastic. Let's talk a little bit to want people to know, you know, just some of the people that you have worked with in the past, you know, a little bit of your history, I believe you saw a couple sports teams and some high profile people. I don't know who you convention. But just just want people to understand that, you know, you're not just hanging out on the nice beach with this, this idea and these things that you come up with, but you've got 40 years of this work behind you. And you've, you've worked with some of the top level talents and some incredible people in this world.

Donn Smith 35:42 Yes. So, you know, I started with an addiction growing up an alcoholic home, went to a cafe for 15 years outgrew that very rapidly, but it took me about five years to leave, because I was the training, I would get drunk and what all of those kinds of things. I worked in addictions for eight years, and then I worked with criminals that worked in the federal parole guys had to get take my program to get out in the street like serial rapist, armed robbers, murderers, like the toughest of the tough. And then I was I got, I worked with a couple of guys, Canadians on the PGA Tour. And one of them happened to be the friend of a CEO of a major corporation that was having a lot of problems. And I can use his name because it's in a book called think the SEC. And he, he mentions me in his book, he was the CEO, co CEO, his name was Jim ball. So he losing the signal. Sorry, that was the name of the book losing the signal. And any talks exclusively in that book about his meeting with me, and how he who they were, they were caught up in a multi billion dollar lawsuits. And they had two choices. two choices. One is to stop building the phone, the BlackBerry Are these the states which 85% of their income. And we met, and in the book, he died instantly, I had no power back instantly. And then, a major thing that happened about six months later, they finally came to an agreement. And, and he had written a check, authorize the CFO to write a check for $1.2 billion that morning. And there were already there was 40 people in the room told to me by the CEO, Don lorrison. about that. And they and he's Jim said, I gotta go. I'll be right back. He goes out any calls when I'm on a golf course. He told me what's going on? I said, Jim, how much time do we have? He said, I have to be back in the meeting in eight minutes. I said, Okay, you're ready to put it all together. Now remember, he's already done a lot of work with me. And in six minutes, we were done. He walked back into the meeting and said, we're not doing it that way. We're doing it this way. Meet that six minute phone call saved them. 615 million. Okay. Yeah, it is. And I work with the top athletes, any many in the NHL, I work with four different teams. Sneaky guy, he

Brandon Handley 38:40 mentioned that he was the guy who mentioned he had, he had scored two goals ended up you know, getting close to the Stanley Cup and, you know, views in Islam ended up hitting 41 goals the end of the year, he was to Rome again. There you go. So and the reason you want people to understand that, you know, again, that you're somebody out there doing some real real stuff. Yeah, right.

Donn Smith 39:02 Yeah, it's tangible. It's instant. And it's people like that saying about it, saying about it. And but I now there's a pivotal piece. Brandon, if I could enter lumen? Yes. So there's many. There's many of those of you know, work with Nobel Peace Prize winning doctors I've worked with, you know, like, just about any but what happened was something that shifted me completely. And in February of 2014, my wife died of cancer. Three months later, my daughter got cancer, and she died in May of 2015. And what happened was from that those two catastrophic events that I ended up shifting and going into, how can I help the masses and how can I How can I contribute? How can I do something with say k Answer or something like that. So, I started a program, I did a one day event on November 20 2019. And there was 10 came from all over North America to take my process. Well, timing has it. I was talking to one of them yesterday, just to give you an idea of random. Just to give you an idea, one of the 10 His name is Manuel. Okay. And he had, they all had stage four cancer. All okay. And he, he ended up, he was having surgery. And they told him before surgery, here's your shoot, you're not going to be able to have kids. And you're not going to be able, you'll have a wear bag the rest of your life. And the other option is you're not going to make the surgery. It's so major. Okay, so this was on a on a Tuesday morning, a 13 and a half hour surgery. They opened up a stomach that was for tumors on there, they set them up with the stomach back together. And and they said it was a surprise, it wasn't a miracle. There was some surprise, shock. It was that amazing. Anyway, at eight o'clock that night, his wife samiha calls me said Don Manuel is doubled over in pain. He's in so much pain he cannot breathe. So something you can do. Sammy either, like I don't deal with symptoms, like, I'll talk to him. Anyway, we started eight o'clock, at 20 after he instantly he sat up, all the pain was gone. All the pain was gone every better. That day, all his cancer was gone. He's had tests every single regular time. And there hasn't been a satin ounce of cancer.

Brandon Handley 42:04 powerful story, right? First of all, I'm super sorry for your loss. You know, that's that's not easy, obviously. And then I love that this job really paid off. And I share this as a scalable level, how can I share some of my knowledge and what I found in a way that's going to be meaningful and have an impact around those around me and beyond. So thank you, thank you for that. And then you know, the story within my gut, my first question is, Do you consider yourself a healer? Or is this something you know? Because, right, I mean, you hear that? And next thing you know, you've got, you know, people lining up, right. So I mean, I'm just kind of curious what that sounds like, or

Donn Smith 42:50 I don't put that target to me at all. I don't put any title because I'm not the healer they are. They're the heat. I've just figured out a process where it can be used. And they use it on themselves. Yeah. Yeah. So it's them. That's the killer. That, yeah.

Brandon Handley 43:13 You're just helping them to access that and ourselves?

Donn Smith 43:17 Yes, I show them how to access that. And and just coming back to Jerome again, like That's right. He had two goals. For the one at the end of the year that flames had not been in the playoffs for seven years. And that year, they went to within two games to win the Stanley Cup. Like, it doesn't matter. Doesn't matter whether it's health, it doesn't matter if it's sport, it doesn't matter if it's motivation. It doesn't matter. I don't deal with sentence. They don't have anything to do with it. They just tell a story.

Brandon Handley 43:54 Yeah, no, I love that. Right. The symptoms are just it's just something that we use for our own limitations. Is that what I'm hearing you say?

Donn Smith 44:05 Yes, yes. Yeah. So and just coming back, man. Well, they're six months pregnant. That's awesome. Yeah, no day. That's Yes.

Brandon Handley 44:18 I think that makes it better for sure. So it makes it better. Well, so let's let's talk a little bit about right you've got this. You've got this event coming up. We don't have a whole lot of time left on this one. But you've got this event coming up are I am divinity instant and permit transformation event on September 22. Tell me a little bit about what's happening there. And how somebody can get involved if they would like,

Donn Smith 44:41 Yes, well, there's, there's a way that they can find that we're putting together a whole piece where they can follow and just, they can join right away and it's I am divinity global versity.com Okay, and I am definit di di di nit y, global GL ob AR VR, si te y COMM And they can access hours the last part of that I'm sorry, after a global, global versity, global versity, the ER si t y.com. And what happens is that they can find out there's all of these programs that I have to meet them up to find out if this is suited for them. And then it's it's this one day event. And what I'm looking for is I'm looking for 8000 that are the most open, most ready, most receptive, willing to just jump in and embrace their divinity. Because with that, 1000 that if you look at the consciousness scale, Dr. Hawkins each one at 700 offsets 1 million people, that 1000 will all set a billion.

Unknown Speaker 45:58 That's awesome.

Brandon Handley 45:59 Yeah, no, you're right. Right. I forgotten about that. Right?

Donn Smith 46:02 Yes. And so this event on September 22, they can find that all out on that on there. And they can sign up right away to be a part of that, then they can stay a part of that after because they become superheroes with all of their gifts that they came here to use. Right? And what this is, is the How to clear that all up imagine 1000 people going from 200 to 700 in three hours.

Brandon Handley 46:34 Yeah. Yeah, I mean, again, that would be like going from who we are today. Right? To near near, near Buddha's level, you know, to say, Please, open to enlightenment.

Donn Smith 46:49 Now super powerful. This grant,

Brandon Handley 46:54 is there anything I get? You know, there's tons more we could talk about. But I just want to Is there anything, I guess in particular, that you would want the audience to know that we haven't shared just yet.

Donn Smith 47:05 You know, I would just go back to that best moment. And tell them to like, ask the listener to go back to their best moment. And know that everything is inside, it's like a naig set best moment is who they are. And what this is, is an absolute accelerated like a rocket ship, to go back to there cleaning up all of their programs that the ego was trying to get them to hold on. And it's as simple as the phobia. It isn't complicated, and they've already done it. They've already done it. And that best moment is who they are, whether they've only had it for a minute, or 20 times in their life. They're meant to have it 20 473 65 because it's who they are just like the color their eyes. That's then

Brandon Handley 48:03 that's powerful. I love that. pull that down. Well, hey, one last thing, we're here. So, you know, a little bit like spiritual speed dating, right? Hey, we so you know, somebody is going to be tuning in and they are looking for their next big spiritual date, Don, and hopefully you're a but uh, one of the questions I'm going to ask for you here, out of out of a question bank is a bachelor number one, is current religion serving its purpose?

Donn Smith 48:35 No. Got anything else on that? Yes, I do. The most I can get to at the highest level is 400. The biggest thing is that there's this external God. They're referencing referencing. Okay, and that takes all the power from in here and puts it out there. And that has to be reversed, that they are divine, and the power is in here. And it's been been given to them to come here to use it. Now, if there's any religions out there that are teaching that there's this divinity inside, let's learn how to access it, then that's the one that go to. But it's definitely not the one that I grew up with.

Brandon Handley 49:28 I love that I love that answer. You know, because it's so true, right? We look for everything that we really want outside of us, before we ever give ourselves the opportunity to to look inside, including your permission to be ourselves, right? We looked at we look to somebody else to simply be ourselves right.

Donn Smith 49:52 And now in all fairness to them. So they're not hard on themselves because I don't want people being hard on themselves. As much as they've tried to be themselves, there's a phobic response time to stop them from that happening. They need to be fair with themselves to know that it's not an intellectual thing. Okay, that's so important to them to know that they're just missing the combination to the safe. That's all. That's all they're missing, if they're open and receptive, are connecting will create that. It's kind of like men. Well, yesterday, he said, Don, I couldn't have done it without you. And I said, Yeah, you're right, man. Well, and I couldn't have done it without you. So he brought 100% of his gift, and I brought 100% of mine to mccreight 100% for that for him. And so it's like, there's this if you're looking outside yourself for something. You are trying to get a drink of water with a straightener. Then it'll never ever quit your thirst ever.

Brandon Handley 51:12 Spent a great one. So I really appreciate it. Where can I send people to find out more about you outside of the event?

Donn Smith 51:21 You know what that I am divinity gobo versity.com is the place to go. place to go. Okay. I mean, I got another one. But that's for that's for the elite. That's for the one on ones and all of that this is a mass thing for the masses seven. All at the sir. So that's the one I end divinity global versity Club. They'll fly there they need.

Brandon Handley 51:46 I appreciate you reaching out. I appreciate you being on the podcast. They've spent a delight to meet up with you. I really appreciate what it is that you're bringing to the world. So thank you.

Donn Smith 51:58 Thank you. So appreciate about us connecting with such a gift.

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Unknown Speaker 0:01 Good

Unknown Speaker 0:02 morning,

Brandon Handley 0:02 what is happening? What is happening? Thinking about a couple of different things leaving Brazilian Jiu Jitsu away home, prepare for the day. Have a great day. The just thinking about this yesterday a little bit, the whole this idea that Meg and I, and my wife and I,

Unknown Speaker 0:31 we agree

Brandon Handley 0:34 on the outcome of everything. Now just about like 90%, which is, which is a lot. So we agree on the end result, much in the same way that in jujitsu, we agree on the end result being a submission, right, or, you know, not being submitted some protection. So, we agree on these outcomes. And the thing is, is that we have different ways of getting there. We have different ways of how we believe we should get there. And that's where the messes think we're just about anything, same thing. And the same thing is in religion as well, or spirituality, even everybody can agree. There's something larger, there's something greater. And we can all agree that, to some degree, there's this blissful state. And we can maybe agree that we believe that that's what heaven must be like. The great beyond eternal bliss, all new happiness all the time everywhere. But what we don't agree on is how to achieve that. What must be done to achieve that? Even in watching the Suicide Squad this week, this past week, there was the guy's name, Peacemaker, john Siena's character was called Peacemaker, and he was willing to fight to create peace. He was willing to kill slaughter, and do battle in order to create peace, which is, I think we can agree. And oxymoron. So another reason I kind of bring this up, because we don't agree on a lot of the middle ground mengenai we don't we disagree on a lot of the middle ground. And a lot of that comes from simply being I'm obstinate, or I am not approaching it correctly. Not taking my time to have the conversation all the time. Sometimes I'm just like, no, this is it, right? I'm not I'm not new in jujitsu, we look for an opportunity. Or we create the essentially we're trying to create the opportunity. And that sense of sense a sense of the word, we're oftentimes baiting somebody into a certain area and jujitsu baiting or trying, again, trying to create the space so that we can maneuver. And the reason I don't like the word bait in this context is because I'm not really trying to I'm not trying to beat somebody into a conversation so that they can see my way so that they can see that I am right. This is my way. The point is to be able to see the other person's point of view. Yes, I see your point of view. And yes, you could do it that way. Here's a way that I would do it. Are you able to see that there is a Are you able to see that it is possible in this way. And oftentimes, we end up in a place

Unknown Speaker 5:09 of

Brandon Handley 5:13 general frustration. Because we're not able to communicate our ideas clearly enough for somebody to accept them. We're not, we're not able to displace somebody's beliefs, so that they're willing to actually hear or see, for a moment, how it could be different.

Unknown Speaker 5:42 Again,

Brandon Handley 5:44 the outcome, the outcome, we all want the same outcome. We all want to submit somebody, we all want to have world peace, we all want to defend from you know, mixing a lot of stuff up here, religions, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, and just general relationships. We all want to, we all want to find ourselves in this in this space in place where we have in some way guided or controlled the outcome. The outcome we feel was within our control. Right, and that feels great. When that happens. However, again, we're all going to have a different approach to that outcome, regardless of how similar they are. And then that's, again, that's where the frustration comes in. So how can you? How can you help avoid that? And I know I used the word beat earlier. So how can you help avoid that? By asking questions, instead of telling somebody set the questions up, so that someone can see it for themselves. So how would they get to that outcome? Listen to them understand where they're coming from their desired way to get to the outcome. And then oftentimes, you ask the questions. You say, Okay, well, absolutely. I agree. I believe that's a that's a great approach. And it could be done that can be done that way. And what you presented would work? Would you be willing to accept an alternative method? Would you be open minded to a different approach? That you got to get the buy in? If you don't get the buy in? Then you know what, maybe today is not today to get your approach across. And that's okay. I understand. In that moment. There's way too much resistance, you could pressure it. And you could kind of force it. But once you force it, once you say, once they say no. Once they say no to are you willing to consider an alternative method would you be willing to consider? And don't say don't say my, to say a? Right? Because right now, once you say my, there's like a resistance there, too. I don't know what that is, right? But if you check out my way, fuck you, me. I just told you. I just told you my way you use a set my way was great. Why the hell would you Why would I want to listen to your specific way? So you say just say a way. Right? There's there's some ambiguity in there. There's no resistance. And then you present. You ask a couple more questions. You say, Well, what about? Could it be done? What if the approach was this way? And you already know what theirs is. And you can use a lot of their same starting points and the thing to do is to introduce some different information. Maybe there's something they're not aware of. Are you familiar with the work of Dr. Such and such, you know, according to Harvard Business Review, fight, you know, if I haven't heard that in a million meetings, and I don't know what's going on, according to Forbes, pull in an authority figure. That's not an entire crackpot.

Reference their material, reference their story, reference, how they did it. And then As you're as you're coming along,

Unknown Speaker 10:03 make sure they're tracking.

Brandon Handley 10:05 Make sure they're there with you. Okay, juicy. So this person this way, are we cool up to this point? What are your thoughts up to this point? And a little bit of it's literally I mean, it's spoon feeding. And you're not doing it again, you're not doing it to persuade somebody of anything else, you just want to see if a different approach is more amenable, right? Maybe you something more to your liking. Maybe you didn't like the other approach. But you could see how it could be done. And you're trying to meet somewhere in the middle. So pull in third party, third party testimonial, authoritative testimonial story. Always, always works, not something you did. Nobody cares about you. I hate to tell you, right. Unless, like you're already super successful. And you're not an anomaly. mega always considers, often considers a number of the things that I do an anomaly. It's really weird. Just a one year a one off. Okay. So pulling something that's more in the mainstream pulling something that is you're aware of, and it can be placed in a context, isn't it? has an authoritative, authoritative push and pull? And then use that?

And then that's it. Right? Do they accept? Can somebody else accepts outside information that different to what they've posed? That again, you've already accepted what they said? And I think that that's key, hear it, hear them out, repeat to them what they just said, understand just the act of listening. Right? And really hear it it's a challenge, right? Because we want to so many times, as soon as we hear some of the triggers up Nope, that's it. I shut down here,

Unknown Speaker 12:13 murmur. Well,

Brandon Handley 12:14 and here's why. Everything you said was stupid, man. That's right. And then we become, we've become something else, we just shut down. We're no longer taking in information. We need to accept that what they're saying is valid to them. We need to accept that what they're saying is true to them. And you hear it and you've repeated it back to them and you and you confirm. Right that that could be that's a way that's a way there's definitely possibility potential and all that jazz within what they said. Now, putting it into practice, that's the challenge. That's the challenge with everything. challenges,

Unknown Speaker 13:09 okay.

Brandon Handley 13:12 I know how to in jujitsu, I knew how to put somewhere armbar I know how to put somewhere a triangle, I know how to do a baseball job. I know how to defend against all these things as well. The problem or the challenge becomes doing it or knowledge is fantastic. It's great to know something. However, it is that what that horn wasn't for me, by the way, if you heard a word there, there's knowledge is power 100%.

Unknown Speaker 14:01 It's

Brandon Handley 14:02 application of the knowledge that is quintessential application, application, whatever that looks like to you, that is to pull the team together. That's to take the action that's to implement these ideas. It's to fuck them up is to do these ideas, without fear, with the intent to bring about an improved result. Based off all that, you know, you know what this new knowledge is new information could assist in an improved result and iterations time over time over time over time, the first couple of times you try half the shit. You're gonna fall on your face. You're not gonna make the connection you're gonna miss. Those misses are just as informative as if the shit you were trying to do worked just as informative, because now you've got the implementation, you've got the general, just you've got the framework got the implementation, you got to miss. Now, you know, you know what the gap is? There's something in the gap. Now, you know, where the course correction is now, you know, where the where your questions are. You've got more questions. Here Really? Okay, you know, that was a shooting a mess. Alright, where did I? Where did I, in terms of a conversation, right? With the desired outcome for both of us? Where did I, where did I miss? Because you can see the non connection in the conversation and be okay enough in the relationship. To call it out. It was Meg and I talking yesterday, that's kind of the genesis of this talk track, we were having a conversation. And we have a different thought process to on it. And while we were talking, she checked out, and that's nothing on her, it's on me, I'm like, Where did I miss? And I asked, I said, you know, what looks like checked out what happened? Where did I go wrong?

Unknown Speaker 16:38 And

Brandon Handley 16:40 take the feedback. And then if you're kind of an employee, again, that's a miss. So it's really, depending on your timeframe and the situation, just table it for now. You okay, with a bit? All right, I see what you're saying. And just understand that, that that communication, that Miss on you. And that's, and that's acceptable, you need to accept that you take 100% responsibility for all the things and then you can work to correct them. And I think that that's, that's a, that's where this this kind of lands, right? we all we all have the similar we have similar desired outcomes, with different approaches and how to get there. And we can learn how to get there. And a big way to learn, is by asking these questions by looking to change, you don't even look at don't even look at how can I I need to improve? What's the best version of me? Blah, blah, blah? How can I be what I want to be? who I want to be? How can this be the life that I desire? How can this How can this be what I would like it to be? Where are the areas that I need to work on? Where are the areas that I can change my approach on so that is what I would like it to be or it is what we would like it to be? how can how can we achieve these results so that we are in agreement to some outcomes? Okay, I think you get where this is going and how this is I think it's wanted to share a couple of things that and it was tongue in cheek that Meg and I agree on everything. But at the same time, there's so much that we don't agree on. And I take full responsibility for that. Right. And I think that when we take responsibility for this Not unless it's not in the sense of being guilty. If I'm familiar with Buddha's arrows story, it's, it's you The two arrows, the first arrow maybe is shot at you or somebody else shoots you. The second arrow is the one that you put in, you write something in a way that's guilty, and be like, Oh, man, I fucked that up. Doing away that just be like, I could have done that differently. And here's how I will do it differently next time or, you know, just pull, pull it out, and just be like, I'm gonna pull that out. That's okay. We're cool. Anywho hopefully, this was something that was beneficial for you and your day. I know that, you know, when I had this thought pattern and thought track and put it all together in my mind, I just came to a nice peaceful state of being and just understood, you know, this is, this is all me and I'm okay with that. And these are some ways that we can work through these challenges. All right. I'll talk to you

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Unknown Speaker 0:01 What's up,

Brandon Handley 0:03 don't hit that car. Been a long time since I've done a live Facebook Live, that's for sure. And to be honest with you, I don't really even know what I've got for you today. Other than, you know, Megan, I been, you know, going through like a lot of different things, you know, both of us kind of growing in our own ways. And I think that that is how things are supposed to be in life, people grow the way that they grow. Same way that as I'm passing on nursery, right, you know, an oak tree is gonna grow different than a flower. Right? But the flower and the oak tree aren't gonna look at each other and be like, why aren't you growing? Like I'm growing. And I think that, you know, a, that's the way it's supposed to be like, in a relationship when one person is not supposed to grow, just like the other. But I also think that there's going to be, there's going to be areas of intersection as kind of like almost like a DNA helix, right, there's going to be areas of intersection overlap. And an area that we were talking about the other day, was talking about, throat being pretty tight, right here. And, you know, just talking about like, throat, throat chakra is and, and speaking, speaking your truth, as it were. And, and, yeah, that's just kind of what I was feeling. This was really interesting. And I don't know if it's because of BJJ. And getting choked out that that could be, but I don't feel like I got choked out too much in the past couple days. So. So it's just this is kind of this, this blockage almost in in the throat, from not sharing your truth, not sharing who you are. And I had a great opportunity yesterday to share my truth and kind of speak through this a little bit with a fella named Mike IML, he is on Instagram, check him out really cool guy does, does purpose work, which can be used in a number of different ways. But he and I had a great conversation around what it's like to not speak your truth. And it's almost, it's almost like it's almost like a darkening yourself, you know, putting, putting a shade on who you are. Because you're afraid

Unknown Speaker 2:37 of

Brandon Handley 2:39 maybe shining too bright. You're afraid of someone you know, disagreeing with you or afraid of someone not accepting you as you are or being accepted as you are in the place that you are. And so you hold back. You hold back your your thoughts, you hold back your emotions, you hold back any number of things. And also had a second conversation yesterday with this gentleman, Don Smith, who who does work in this space as well. And his work is to kind of go back to the area where this was formed. He calls he says it's like a phobia. And how phobias are created in an instant, right? How quickly does a phobia get created? How quickly did you become when you became afraid of snakes? How quickly did you become afraid of spiders or insects and your reaction became what it is to the things that you react to. And that is he called it a neurological versus intellectual. Right. So that's that was created intellectually. And it's really hard to unwrap these triggers these phobias, this phobia of you not being able to be the truth of who you are. And how that how challenging that is going to be to unwrap through a to an intellectual way. And he posits that this phobia can be overcome just as quickly as it was created. That is instant instantly. However, it has to be done in a neurological kind of way, that he's found the way that he is found, helps to remedy this in a three to four hour session, and you know, walks you through a path and then gets you to this place where he's got what he calls like, dual sound device,

Unknown Speaker 5:19 double sound, if

Brandon Handley 5:20 I'd have to look at it again, but essentially, the way I like and is, you know, there's there's a ultrasonic devices that clean, clean debris off of off of like scalpels off of when you're doing your teeth, you know, dental instruments. And the thought is, is like what is what is doing is it's sending such a vibration, it's such a level that it's physical. It's not, it's emotional, rather, really. And that's also what we're talking about is this emotional bond is created, is created at an emotional level, like emotional vibrational level, I would have to say, Don, even though we're not talking right now, that such that it kind of clasps and hooks itself into such a position that it's locked for forever, almost. And then you've got to some of these associates vibrations, to disrupt that, that grasp, right, to disrupt it. That was the way I kind of envisioned it when he talks about what he does, but he walks you through the path talks about how you get there. And, you know, it's kind of tragic, when you think about it, the amount of people that aren't sharing the truth of who they are. Maybe, because I know often in my own is, since I'm like, well, maybe it's just not going to come across in a way that's easily understood, which is a challenge, right? Since that's a work on the communication aspect become a better communicator, when you're trying to really share what it is that you believe could work. And, you know, sometimes there's more work that goes into it that you just haven't done yet. So the challenge and trying to get somebody to understand something new is to work with them to understand it, right. So there's a little bit of dance in the conversation before you get to that spot. But I think that we've all been in a situation where we're with someone, and we want to make a good impression we want to make, we just want to be seen, right want to see, we want us to be seen in a good way, the way that they would accept this good, if that makes sense, right? So that we want to be seen by them in a way that is acceptable to them. And that causes a challenge because we don't really know all the ways that they will accept us as as the person they want us to be or they would accept. So the alternative is to simply just be who you are, be who you are in that moment. And finish this up, I guess with the class that I've been taking Craven personal mastery with Sreekumar Rao, and just some other just amazing people. It's a group of I think, just shy of 20 people from around the world. And it's been a 12 week course. And the interaction with some of these people, the access to some people would be access to people that I would never imagine myself to be surrounded by see CFOs entrepreneurs of highest caliber, you know, world renowned people in their space. And here I am. And you know, there's this voice of judgment there for myself and like, Who am I supposed to be in this situation? You know, I've come into this through the route of spiritual dose should I be like the super spiritual dude and all this stuff where you know, or can I just be me or whoever I need to be? What's my reaction? What's my gut, telling me? What's my heart telling me and how is my heart telling me to speak in this situation. And I think that when we when we speak from our heart, if anybody's ever done some, some research on this to research is showing that the reaction there's an emotion and there's like a tiny little brain, like I think it's like 40,000 cells within the heart that seems to be able to intercept what's going to happen to you As much as six seconds before it actually happens to you. So your heart and your emotion reacts prior to any event happening within your life. And a lot of times we disregard that, that in that initial instinct, the thing that

is there from our heart, right, not intellectually, not thinking to ourselves, oh, what's he going to say, and, versus just saying what's on, you know, coming from

Unknown Speaker 10:32 your heart,

Brandon Handley 10:33 this emotion, this, this truth, as it were. And when you when you follow that, you're just being who you're being, you're not trying to be somebody that you're not. You're not even trying to be your authentic self. Because when you're trying to be your authentic self, when you're trying to do anything. You know, you're, you've got in your mind that you're trying, first of all, you've got in your mind that this isn't who you are, versus just doing the thing, versus just being the thing, right. So instead of trying to

Unknown Speaker 11:11 be

Brandon Handley 11:13 just like, you know, you're Oh, man, hold on a second, we got to merge, oh, this guy's not gonna let me do it. You gotta let me do it. Come on, man. You're gonna make me go that fast. All right. All right.

Unknown Speaker 11:23 So

Brandon Handley 11:25 instead of trying to be something just be in the moment. Right, we talked about Who Are You Being was one of the final concepts of this course that we're in, who are you being in the moment, and you can be whoever you want to be in that moment. But just be conscious of that. went on, I'm with my children. And, you know, we're doing our things in my, you know, in my, I'm just being there. I'm not trying to be Dad, I'm not trying to be Brandon, I'm not trying to be spiritual dope, I'm not trying to be anything other than who I am. And when you're, when you're doing and being who you are, and you're speaking from the heart, and you're letting it all go, you're freeing yourself, right? You're freeing yourself, you're liberating your own. You're freeing your third chakra, you're, you're loosening that up. And that's, you know, speaking your truth. And that was just something that I know that I was thinking of, this morning, on the way into BJJ, as I felt like I said that my throat tightened up a little bit. And to me, feels like an intersection between both Mike and I are having our own personal spiritual journeys, as it were. And to me, this is a this is an intersection, this is where we're both kind of having having this thing and and the thing is, is that we're gonna both handle it differently. She's gonna process the way that she's going to process this, and it's going to benefit her, and she's going to have her growth, the way that she'll have her growth, just the same way that I'll process mine in a different way as well. And it'll be it'll be different for me. The same way that an oak tree grows different from a daffodil, it's the same way that the two of us are grown in our relationship. Neither one is better or greater than another. They're just different. And in a way that I know that I appreciate her and what she's going through and how she grows. And you know, I know that she tells me that she appreciates the way that I'm growing and what I'm going through and so, you know, I put that out there for people who are in a relationship a, you know, to just kind of look at it in that way, especially if you're in one of those relationships where maybe you feel like you're having this crazy growth, you're having a growth spurt. And you're wondering what what's going to happen with your loved one Why aren't they good? They're not growing like you. Of course, they're not that's the fucking poster bro. Like you do. They grow like they do. And you just, you know, if you're married, you love me unconditionally, right? You love them for what it is that they're going through what is they're teaching you if they're triggering you, that's within you. What are the triggers within you that you can address so that you're no longer triggered by the things that you've been triggered by right if you're, if you're reacting to a trigger, you're reacting to a subconscious a subconscious thing that that's making you feel a certain way that you don't you don't want to feel and and react acting in a way that you may not have a positive outcome. So, I don't know if those are those are most of the things I have in this morning's conversation. So thanks for checking it out, checked it out. And if you haven't checked out the podcast check it out spiritual dope. co has some great guests on there, Eric nice. It's been a recent one. Trying to think who I just released this weekend that was another I think really enjoyable one. just just just the the guests I think are have been amazing. And you know, I think the listeners and the people that have reached out, continue to be amazing continue to give me encouragement to keep going and so it makes me makes me keep going. So check that out. And we'll talk later

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Dr. Barbara is a leadership coach, international speaker, author, and seminar leader with over 18 years of global experience. She inspires individuals, entrepreneurs, and leaders to reconnect with their most profound and authentic essence, discover their purpose, and bring about positive change in their lives and in the world. She is also the author of a new book "The Unexpected Gift," which reveals the inspiring true-life story of one woman's journey to self-discovery and renewal after the implosion of her marriage, and her experience of creating anew her life and career she is also the author of a new book "The UnexpectedGift," which reveals the inspiring true-life story of one woman's journey to self-discovery and renewal after the implosion of her marriage, and her experience of creating anew her life and career while navigating different culture... connect with Dr. Barbara at https://www.barbaradallepezze.com/

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Unknown Speaker 0:00 Your journey has been an interesting one here, you've put in so much more than those around you. You've even questioned yourself as to how you could have grown into these thoughts. Am I crazy? Wonder? Why do people in general You're so limited as friends sharing? You are not alone in the world is slowly waking up to what you already know inside you can't quite verbalize Welcome to the spiritual dough podcast, the show that answers the questions you never even knew to ask. But you the answers to questions about you in the world, the people in it? And most importantly, how do I proceed now moving forward? We don't have all the answers but we sure do love Living in the Time for another spiritual dub with your host, Brandon Handley. Let's get right into today's episode. Either spiritual dope I

Brandon Handley 0:41 am on here today with Dr. Barbara dalla pet say she is a leadership coach, international speaker, author and seminar leader with over 18 years of global experience he inspires individuals, entrepreneurs, and leaders to reconnect with their most profound and authentic essence, discover their purpose and bring about positive change in their lives and in the world. She is also the author of a new book the unexpected get which reveals the inspiring true life story of one woman's journey to self discovery and renewal after the implosion of her marriage and her experience of creating a new her life and career. Barbara, I think we are introduced from Tom Palladino, is that correct? Is that Tom Paladin that introduced us? That name doesn't sound familiar. It doesn't sound familiar. Nope. Well, are we connected? So I mean, doesn't really matter, I guess at this point. Now, because we're here, we're together, and we're having this conversation. So I always like to start this off with the idea right? That we are kind of conduits for source energy, right? universal source energy, God, whatever you want to call it, and that you and I are having this conversation? You and I will understand what we're talking about maybe, right, you're having a conversation, I've had one conversation, and you know, the person listening is going to pick up on something entirely different, there's gonna be a communication that they're gonna get, that can only be delivered through you. To them right now. What's that message?

Dr Barbara 2:19 Hmm? Well, first of all, it is a feeling of gratitude for being here and having these opportunity to have this conversation with you. And whatever we are going to talk about, I'm sure the listener will find something that resonates with them. So that's gratitude first. And then there is also in this moment that Zehra to contribute, to contribute. And I think that this is the best, at least for me, and in my experience, a great disposition to have when we when we start a conversation. So gratitude and a desire to contribute.

Brandon Handley 3:01 I love that the desire to contribute, a lot of people will stand back. Because they don't feel like they have something that they can contribute. They don't see what they have to offer as valuable enough, given the situation that they're looking at, they may not think that they can have an impact. What do you say to that person?

Dr Barbara 3:23 Oh, no, I would say that we are so special. Each one of us we are so unique, so unique, that we always have something to contribute to actually I would also share that I was reading once I love to read about mistakes. And I was reading about the rays of Avila and also Katrina of CNN, they are two very important mistakes in the Middle Ages. And they were saying that we are so powerful. And we have so much to give that even when we intersect, just passers by a smile that we can give to them or even the way we look at them can change their lives. That's how much we can contribute. So just passing by somebody, we impact their lives. And then if we take a chance, and want to share something that it is important to us, that becomes already such a powerful contribution because as you said at the beginning, you don't know how the person who is listening to you is going to interpret and relate what you say to their life. So I think that we are a bundle of gift potential. And so and so it is always good to be able to offer a little bit of this bundle of gifts, potential to people that we intersect or they're in our life for a moment for few days for years for a lifetime.

Brandon Handley 4:49 For sure for sure. So and I enjoy that. Take two pieces on that. First of all those mistakes are those both female mistakes. Yes. Yes. Like you know We don't hear a whole lot about female mistakes. I know you spent some time in Asia, Asia pack, as we call it, right Asia, Pacific. And even in Buddhism, which we, Westerners like to think is like this big open, vast thing, like females really weren't allowed to participate like at some of the higher levels. And therefore, like, you know, the reason we don't hear about maybe some amazing Zen females is simply because they were kept out. Right. And same. And I think that the story is similar in mysticism. It regardless of kind of which which space you spend time in, is that what you found to be true for yourself? What were some of your findings, I guess, in in that space?

Dr Barbara 5:47 Actually, no, I never, I never thought about it in from that perspective, because as a matter of fact, several of the mystics that I read, I love to read biographies, they are female, and they are from the middle age. So probably they had a different rhythm. And life was slower, and they had time. And actually, there was also their calling to write, and to write books. And so we have quite a number of books that I know of female mystics, actually, their purpose was to contribute and give a little bit of their experience to other people that were living in the world, so to speak. And so they did have a chance to write their message and their experience and to share it with the world. And, and actually, I really enjoyed reading many of those female altars. Actually, maybe today would be different. Maybe what you're saying for this century would be probably more more appropriate in the sense that yes, we might think in this way, but in relation to women that lived in the middle age, and they were monks, and nuns, they, they, they had the time to dedicate their life to writing and to write to people for people. I'm thinking while I'm talking to you, yeah. I never looked at it from that angle. But the middle lane, for sure, right. I

Brandon Handley 7:31 mean, and I just like I said, I know that you've also spent some time in Asia Pacific, and my guess would be you've been immersed in some of the Buddhist culture, right? Why? Why? Why you sat in there.

Dr Barbara 7:43 Um, I was in Asia Pacific, and in, in I was in Hong Kong, many years and in China, and then south of China, Mainland China, and Singapore, and there are very different philosophies of life and religion for there. So it was not that there was that feeling and that sense that we are all Buddhists and so that mystics atmosphere, actually, Hong Kong is a very, is the New York of Asia has been for so long, right? So you could experience certainly the different religions and philosophy of life. So read there, so. But I imagine that what you are thinking office more and mystical and meditative life, that in places like Beijing, or Hong Kong or Singapore, they are somehow a little bit on the backs backhand, of good experience. Not bad. Having said that, having said that, what is interesting is that in those places, there is kind of a thirst for spirituality. And so there are like, you can you can find those spaces within this big mega law place where you can experience a little bit of what you're saying, but you do need to go in and look for it, because what pops up first, is the New York experience, I would say.

Brandon Handley 9:15 Sure, sure. Yeah, absolutely. You got it, you got to kind of you got to look, you got to be on the lookout for it. Right. That's got to be something that you're actually looking for. And then this idea of contribution, you get that sense of I get that I feel that you get that sense of contribution due to some of your upbringing. You want to share a little bit about that?

Dr Barbara 9:36 Well, I am originally from Italy. And so Italy is a Christian and Catholic countries for the majority at least, the rooted the culture is entrenched of Christianity and Catholicism, and it is an important value that contribute to the life of others. It is definitely a value there. My family as always taught me that and definitely For sure, I was brought up within that culture. Having said that the profession I am in, so the coaching profession and teaching and training, it is a profession that it is based on the desire to contribute and contribute profoundly to the lives of people that you've come into contact with. So, I would say that it is a big motivator in, in what I do, and in my life, the possibility of contribute, contribute to the growth of people to having people learning more about themselves, and how they can better leverage their resources inside of themselves in order to build and create a better life for themselves and the people around them, and if possible to the world at large. So, I think that contribution is one of the foundations of happiness, I would dare to say as well.

Brandon Handley 11:01 100% I absolutely agree. I personally feel like I contribute enough. Right. And when I do contribute, I get that sense of, of, of being a part of the greater sense of all the things, and that, um, I just feel better. I mean, you can't really, there's not a whole lot of great explanation for that. So what I was trying to hit on, I guess, sir, sorry, for not being clear was, I guess your family was active in the anti kidnapping piece. Right. So so so my guess would be again, you just kind of, and, you know, from checking out a couple of other podcasts, that that might have an impact on your desire to as well.

Dr Barbara 11:45 Yes, yeah. So yes, when I was, in my early 20s, a family friend was kidnapped by the mafia. And so my father in the community of our town decided to put together a movement that was the first and big anti kidnapping movement in in Italy. And they managed to, with a force with the help of the police and, and the government and everybody, they managed to get several people freed from this kidnapping. And I was late in AI in my early 20s, when this happened, and I had the the privilege, I would say, to really be surrounded by these and breathe into these and see the cooperation of the community and see the impact. And that something, a seed of goodness that you want to do together with anger for something that was wrong and was done, actually was able to create this movement all over Italy. And that, that generated in me the desire of contributing, I at the time, I didn't even know yet what I was and how I would have contributed. But I knew and I felt that was too important. And so in every, every action I took since that moment onwards, I was looking for that feeling for the sensation for that. I was following that desire, I wanted to contribute, as I have experienced my father, and two people off my town did in a very crucial moment in life of our friends, because they were family friends. And and that stayed with me, and it is still there with me. Because it is effective, it is powerful. And when people are you really United for for something good, and to achieve something good. What can be achieved is immense. And so that definitely was an experience that shaped who I am and how I live my life in the world, actually. Yeah, that was very powerful, actually.

Brandon Handley 13:57 Yeah, 100%. Right. I mean, that that carry that's, that's the seed right from from a new to continue to to look for contribution. And that to me, again, that's would be why that is so important to you, right, having seen that having the effects of it and having been a part of it. Yeah, we know what that feels like. Right. And you know what it looks like to gather these people together to do some good.

Dr Barbara 14:24 Yeah. And also, I would also add that I could witness how easy it becomes when people get together to achieve the same goal. Things simply flow. Of course, you do need to do your part, you need to put in action, lava things, but once all those things are in place, then then the situation moves and moves forward and forces and resources are found and everything seems to flow so smoothly, to achieve that goal. I know Of course, behind that smoothness, there is the willingness and the passion and heart of many people. So there was there was a great lesson. And I was, I'm very grateful that I had that experience. Of course, while I was experiencing that, there were people that were suffering more, because of course, those whose sons or daughters or relatives were kidnapped, of course, that was very painful for them. And in any painful experience, there is, again, somebody that is learning something, and even the, the life of this little girl that was kidnapped has contributed so much to who I am today and my life today, back to what we were saying at the beginning, for those who think that they might not have anything to give or to share, right. So even if you don't know, you are contributing so much to the life of others. So that's probably something that we want to remember. And keep in mind very often,

Brandon Handley 16:05 the just the very little things that we can do, and just even a small amount of contact time can have a lasting impression and a long term effect on somebody. Absolutely. Right. Absolutely. Let's talk about what you've got your doctorate and right, so doctor of ontology if if I if I've done my research, okay? And why don't you go ahead and share with the audience what that study of if they're not familiar,

Dr Barbara 16:34 yes. So, when we say ontology, we are thinking philosophy, it is within the realm of philosophy, and it is the part of philosophy that studies being so the structure of being and therefore, in my particular case, the take I, I had on that was the how how, what are the structures of the human being according to the philosophical perspective? How do we work? How are we in the world? How do we connect? How do we relate with what is in the world. And that is a very interesting, interesting insight, because philosophy goes deep. And so it my experience, while doing this PhD, was really allowing myself and my brain and my reasoning tool paths that add that I never, never explored, until I could literally feel my brain opening up new neural pathways, because I was the thinking in ways, of course, led by these philosophers, thinking in ways that normally we are not stimulated in thinking. So thinking about how, who are we in the world, what we represent, what we do, when we actually leave, how do we interact, what we are actually interacting with, who is the other person in front of you, and all these elements that I found very, very fascinating. And I, I found them essential, because before studying philosophy, I studied, I said, I started another field of study, I studied architecture for a couple of years. But, and I liked it kind of, but the reason I changed eventually for philosophy is because I realized that I needed to learn more about not how to build buildings and homes where people live in, and how they are structured and how they are, what are the material that constitute those things? How do you put them together and create? Well, I was studying that I was, I was actually thinking, Wait a minute, do I know about the human beings that are going to inhabit this building? Do I know what they are made of? How do they work, what they are about? And I realized that I was more interested in learning about human beings, and then how to build them at home. And so I changed and then my path took me to old way to do this. In Depth research in my PhD on ontology,

Brandon Handley 19:19 I think it's pretty entertaining, how you went from, you know, this external structure, right? How are the How are these external structures made? And how are they impact coming from the outside in, and you're like, Wait a second, I want to go to the internal structure, but I want to go see how this structure is laid out internally, and work my way from the inside out. Right? And that's, you know, just my my brief perception of kind of your lifelong journey, I'll synopsis into all that. Right, but the idea to so who were you know, these these philosophers I have two questions. Is it? Is this ontology more of a Western study? Is it Eastern and Western, and then he'll maybe who were a couple of the truly essential ones, or who were the ones that had the greatest impact on you.

Dr Barbara 20:17 So, the two there is one philosopher that particularly impacted my life, which is Martin Heidegger and which is the philosophy German philosopher, 20th century German philosopher, and my PhD is on his philosophy. And Meister Eckert, which is a German mystics, and I put the two of them in dialogue on the concept of abandonment, in German Gal hessonite. And, and their perspective and the way I elaborated their concept of abandonment, which is actually a concept of let go and be open to life, ended up meeting with Chinese philosophy at the end, that would have been the continuation of my research, right. But it was very interesting to see how the West meets East actually in in the way of thinking through philosophy, mysticism, and we ended up encountering also a China. So that was quite, quite interesting. So Martin Heidegger would say, and must Meister echoed.

Brandon Handley 21:32 And I think that it's also interesting that, you know, you've got this, you know, the let go and meeting with life, right? Because your book has to do with, I would say something similar, you know, you went through, you felt like you were in a decent part in your life, a good part, coming up to a flourishing part. And then next thing, you know, your husband's like, hey, let's get a divorce. And meanwhile, you're like, you're my first guest is like, initially you're holding on for dear life, you're like, no, this isn't how this is gonna work, at least mentally internally, like, No, no, no, no, no, everything's great. But like, now, you're at a point where you let go, you use that material to grow yourself, and you shared some of that material in this book. Let's talk a little bit about the book and, and some of the materials that you shared, what you found in there.

Dr Barbara 22:26 Yeah, well, first of all, the paradox was that when I finished my PhD and my a marriage and imploded, Akshay just finished a doctorate on letting go. And here it is, I am immediately asked to experience that let go deeply and profoundly and I would say completely, so, that was quite radical and brutal as an experience also, because as you said, it was out of the blue and it was definitely not what I wanted. And it was the book, which is the unexpected gift, everything was unexpected, to the end, which is the unexpected gifts. So the path the process and, and the ending, if you can see that there is an ending, it is the story of my years 15 years experience in Asia, actually, Asia, Australia and Singapore. And and it starts with it is triggered by my marriage and the breakup of the marriage. But in fact, it becomes a story of how do you discover yourself So, I thought I knew myself I thought I had my what my life figured it out, I had my values, I had my purpose. And suddenly this out of the blue element completely destroyed everything and so, I had to find again who I am, what am I standing for? What do I want? What does my life look like now because what happened basically destroyed all the narratives and the paradigms I was used to consider valid and that what was that they were actually at the foundations of who I was and of my life. So, it was, it was like really suddenly find yourself in the desert inside and out. And having to to figure out what what do I do now? What do I plant? How do I water the soil? How do I move forward, there is desert in front of me. Everything is gone behind me. So what do you do? Where do you start? and ended the book is the stories of my journey and so all the inner steps and outer step. I talk to rebuild, recreate and reef reconnect with myself and the new life that was waiting me in in the future and that clearly wanted to me But it needed some digging, and some experience, it was quite intense. And while I was going through this, I was looking for books that would tell me that it would have been arrived that it is possible that there is a life after these. And I could not find any. And so I decided, you know what, let me write down few of these things that I'm experiencing. And until I reached a point where I decided, Okay, let's do a book, let's write a book, because I want to speak from the future. And now I consider that my book speaks from the future because I went through that, and I'm here with Andy's is the future. So for people that are in this traumatic situation, vinit, the divorce Bennett challenges that have nothing to do with divorce, but they challenge who you are, and your worth, and what you stand for, they can see that there is a way and mind when I write in the book is, it's been what I have found that worked. And so I wanted to share, and I wanted to give my contribution on these as well.

Brandon Handley 26:09 all comes back to contribution, doesn't it? So what I think is great is is what you're saying, we identify ourselves so much with the relationship that we have, especially with this significant other because we're building a life together, right? You're building this life together, we've got this kind of we've got this, we've got this picture, scoped out, or futures scoped out, in one way or another. And then when this disruption comes, that whole thing just dissolves, falls away, falls apart. And now really, you start the questioning your own identity, like, Wait a second, how did I miss this whole thing up? Right? And then we start blaming ourselves, right? Again, like, I don't know, if he's, like, I know, I'd be like, I'm like, how did I mess this whole thing up? Where did I? Where did I? Where should I have made a left? Right? And or is this just our past, right? Is this just our path? And now you've got to Colton, you know, you're talking about this, you're, you're in the desert, and it sounds like you've got to cultivate a new sense of self.

Dr Barbara 27:16 You have to cultivate a new sense of self and new sense of what's possible. And, and a new sense of responsibility, because I, I, my former my ex husband kept saying, Oh, you did nothing wrong, it is me. But I wanted to have done something wrong. Because if I had done something wrong, then I could do better next time. Right? Right,

Brandon Handley 27:39 I'm gonna need I'm gonna need a 360 feedback on this thing. Everybody in who else was there?

Dr Barbara 27:48 Exactly. I get you. Exactly. Yeah. And then you figure out what you want to, you do need to think really outside the box, do you did not even realize you were in and, and you define your way of imagining your future? Beyond the narratives you have always

Brandon Handley 28:08 thought of? I want to stop there for a second, right? Because I mean, you know, you bring up like this box that you didn't even know you were in just talking about our own limited senses of self, right, our own limited senses, it stops here stops with this story that we've been telling ourselves. Right? Yeah, the end the relationship. And, and just to just to kind of continue in this whole idea, right, like, so. ontology contribution, you know, taking this relationship that you've gone through, and you're, you know, you're deeply, you know, mysticism, studying I akhar. And and on these mystics, and this philosophy, and you're a coach for the business world, right. And I think that sentence pairs really well with the idea of what spiritual dope is about it's about how do we how do we merge those two? Right? How do we take all this? You know, the spiritual sense of well being these these maybe ideal philosophies? And, and how do we apply it to the real world? And I want us back to the beginning here, because it was that sense of contribution. And you were talking about what it's like to get everybody together, right? When you're for for the kidnapping group, right? And how that all work. To me what you were saying there, pairs so easily and readily to the business world, right to to corporate culture, because if you can get everybody to buy into the vision, we can get everybody to say, Hey, I'm contributing, I'm doing my part. I do have something to contribute, and I can see what the vision is. I mean, a pair so is that Yeah, same.

Dr Barbara 29:47 For the work I do the leadership work I do and I do on a global scale and the level of depth at which I'm in, I need my clients is such that I made them in their humanity. And so that's in the fact that they before being managers, directors, CEOs, talent said before that everybody is a human being. And once you have an end and discovered and unleash, what is this humaneness, then then there is no job to be done anymore in dissent. And then people are free to really express fully their talents. And we all have so many talents. But we need to be able to free them to see them first and then real, release them. And so what I do, and how do we bring together mysticism ontology philosophy into the business world. And to tell you the truth, while I was going through this situation, I also was leading a research cluster on philosophy, therapy and medicine, and I was researching on pain and suffering. And right then and there working with the oncology department of the hospital, I was finding elements that I was in Hong Kong that I thought they were so important to be brought into the business world. And so I bridged that those worlds as well. So the medicine and pain and suffering into Corporation and into finance. And again, because people in the work, they suffer, they have conflict, they are experiencing deep, profound suffering, sometimes, and sometimes very often. Right. And so approaching my clients, making sure that inner conflicts and the suffering that is not expressed is actually resolved and transformed as what freedom to be the extraordinary leaders or managers are team members that they they need to be in corporations in order for corporations to thrive. And so the way I work, I work at the core of humaneness, and that doesn't matter, right? If you are in a corporation, if you are a lawyer, if you are a mom, if you are podcaster, doesn't really matter, you You are a human being. And that's where we want to work because the resources to stronger resources aren't there, the technicalities of how to be a in finance, how to be a salesperson, how to be a stock broker, that you learn, those are techniques, and you choose to learn them, right. But first, I work on day, humanity. And I invest in human capital, that that's what I do. And so, philosophy pertains to human capital, Mr. System pertains to human capital, all these arts pertains to Human Capital One. So that's the level at which I work. And also, that's also why my experience which starts from a divorce, it is a leadership experience, right? Your life experiencing is your leadership experience. And the in the book, there are foundations of these leadership just because you learn how to lead and lead yourself first, at the best boss in the best possible way,

Brandon Handley 33:18 for sure, for sure, give me a I'm really curious to hear the suffering that is not expressed. How, what is something that you do? some exercises, what is do you find you find you find the financial guy, he's suffering? He's not expressing it? How do we how do we help them to express it? What So what are some tools What are some ways that we can help in that space,

Dr Barbara 33:45 I can get share an example. When you find and maybe you don't need to be a coach to notice this, but when maybe you have a friend or if you think about somebody that keeps complain about something, and he's very animated and complaining about something and and he's angry about it, that hides behind it to me as a coach, when I hear you complaining so much, there is some some pain and suffering behind that. So, first of all, I need you to become aware that this is something that you are not expressing in the best possible way for you because when I complain about something, I am giving away my power. So what I do I help you to see first of all that you are giving away your power I we look into what is it that you are complaining about that? And what is it to you? What is it that you really mean to say and this is from a cognitive perspective first, but then it is also expressing emotionally because cognitively you can say millions of things and yet you keep complaining and keep being angry. And so you're not really expression, pain and suffering and it is an emotional experience, right? So you need to let your emotions free That's why we use body work. When I do work on these you use your body to express to your body, I use the voice. So singing, and being able to find really the sound of your voice deep sound, deeper sound, and be able to express it in a in a loud voice for a strong tone. Because that's scary, and that is liberating at the same time, but we are not used to express who we are even in suffering so deep inside, so I kind of help my client in this example, first realize that there is some suffering that he is he or she is expressing through complaining in this example, right? And then we go and look behind that. So what is it that actually hurt you and that you are complaining about and often it is not really what they are complaining about? It's something deeper, and that's where the work then started, okay, let's express it with movement, let's express it with the voice. And then once that is released, and therefore, the person does not have a block anymore, then we can start working. And that's when the liberation and the expression transforms into something that it is okay, now, what do I actually want to build? What do I want myself to be what I want my profession, what I want me my life to be? Or how do I want to show up at work instead? So it is a matter of unpacking first? So

Brandon Handley 36:32 does it make sense? It does make sense, right? I've got two, two kind of reflections on that. And I'm always reminded, I think it was like, I'm sure somebody said it beforehand. But there's a jack Canfield line that talks about when when you complain, if you're not complaining to the person that can do something about it, it's kind of worthless, right? Like, complain to the person that can help you, you know, do something about it, otherwise, you're just doing kind of what you said, You're, you're you're feeling this frustration, this anger this, whatever. And, and it's this feeling that you carry around with you. And there's really no doesn't no value in that, right. And then the second part, to me is the way that you're talking, it's almost like it's almost like a knotted muscle, right? When you complain, it's like a kind of like a nod and muscle that until you're you know, you can release that you've got a whole bunch of energy caught up in that until you release it, then then you can't really do anything, right. It's kind of useless.

Dr Barbara 37:30 Yeah, yeah. And And oftentimes, it has happened to me that, again, moving from the inside to the from the outside to the inside, what needs to be released is has nothing to do with what the person is complaining about. Right? It is more a desire to be maybe just a just aligned, I need to be aligned with my value and what I am doing the work I am doing, the way I'm relating to these clients or to the board is not aligned with who I actually feel I am. And so the work is okay. So how do you evolve so that you can be in the same board meeting, and not feeling this conflict, but being aligned within yourself, your purpose, your mission and expressing it to the board, so that you actually help the organization to move forward and you are not always have involved in this inner fight and in this inner conflict. So that that is what often has happened to me in my in my coaching?

Brandon Handley 38:37 Yeah, for sure. Whatever, whatever that person is focused on is really keeping them from being their best, right? I mean, that's just kind of what it boils down to, even if it's not directly related to, again, you're you removed this blockage over here, and you can redirect all that energy into the thing that you're really trying to do. Yeah. Always look at the even the word coach, right? And I always think of coaxing right, as a coach all, you know, all what you're trying to do is really coax the best of that person out of them so they can see it for themselves and they can carry it on forward. Would you say that?

Dr Barbara 39:11 I would say that I like to think of myself as a sponsor. When I say quote, I am a sponsor, what does it mean, for me is that I can, I can notice your potential that is an expressed, I can notice your talents, I can notice where you need to be set free. And I help you to I believe in you, I trust you and I help you to actually be free to express fully yourself and to improve who you are and to actually be who you are. That is my job. It is like a gate opener. So but again, opener that trust and belief strongly knew and what you can achieve. So it is really from where I stand is a position where you Hold a space for the other person to express fully. And not only that, but you can see further than the person itself himself or herself, you can help them see what they what they are not seeing. And you can at least you can point them towards something that they are not noticing about themselves that can that is a talent that is a resource. And so that they can actually become aware and leverage that and integrate that in, in who they are and the way they conduct themselves. So coaching, as sponsoring really knew your talents, your resources, your potentials, and what you can be and achieve.

Brandon Handley 40:43 Do you make them t shirts, like little sponsor t shirts? I feel like you should I feel like you should sponsor by sponsor. Yeah, that could be a good idea. It'd be fun one right for for at least client gifts frayed. whatever it is they're into. I like the idea of being a sponsor. And I think that definitely resonates. And I like the approach there. So we're at this kind of point, right? That, unless there's anything else that you feel like you want to cover, I'm going to go ahead and ask a couple questions for you. Please go ahead. Right, right. So I got, like I said, spiritual speed dating right at the back end of this, you know, so most of the people that are tuning in there, they're seekers, they're, they're looking for that just exactly that, how can they express what's inside of them outside authentically in alignment, just want a lot of ways that you've been speaking about. So some ways that they may be able to figure it out is by these questions? is Barbara right for you? So let's see his current religion serving its purpose, Barbara.

Dr Barbara 41:47 When we say religion, what are we thinking about? monetary stick religion? So the big one, the top three, the top three, okay, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam? are they serving their purpose? I think that there are many people that find in religion, a great tool for them to live a better life feel better, and be a better human being. So I think for many people they do. I believe that religions could do a little bit better, as we all good in terms of speed up a little bit, their evolution, in order to embrace some challenges that today are here and maybe when the religions were born, they were not there. But I would say that overall, they keep been very useful, especially for people that have based their lives on religions.

Brandon Handley 42:51 Like that was one or you feel like they could evolve faster as

Dr Barbara 42:55 well, for example, and I'm thinking about Chris Catholicism in particular, because that's where I come from, I believe that there is a role that women are is are not given and are not taken, that I think the church need to open up to

Brandon Handley 43:15 understand a female Pope.

Dr Barbara 43:18 I don't know if I mean, I don't know. I don't know if I would go to the pope immediately, because it probably will take a little bit and but before getting to the Pope, but yeah, I I think that there are roles within the Catholic Church that that needs women more than men. Maybe before for 24 2000 years, there have been always men in those positions. So I think that women, the church would benefit from a president of more women.

Brandon Handley 43:55 Yeah, I think that's fair. I think that's fair. As you know, so this is your study space, right? This is this to me, it's me. This is in in your wheelhouse. What is the greatest quality humans possess?

Dr Barbara 44:10 The greatest quality humans possess? Wow, we have many. I would say that maybe the curiosity. Curiosity is is a I don't know if it is the greatest but it is a great quality that now we need, especially because we are faced with so much diversity. And so unless we are curious to understand and learn about diversity, we are not moving forward as a community, a global community. So maybe a quality that I think is important that it is great right now is curiosity.

Brandon Handley 44:51 So sounds like Yes, that sounds like that's something that can be cultivated a little bit more and be something that Most humans could apply more often, and we could improve. Absolutely. That's awesome. So listen, Dr. Barbara, I've enjoyed this. Thanks for coming on today. Where should people, first of all, like, who would you say is your ideal client? Like, let's say somebody listening in today, you know, who do you think should be reaching out to you?

Dr Barbara 45:21 I think it are people that went through important challenges in their life, burn it in their personal life in it in their professional life, and they feel that they have reached their a glass ceiling. And they cannot see what's possible next, and how to reach the next level and how to break through and tap into more resources that they have. So when they are in that point, then they call me because I partner with them. And I really accompany them to reach their full potential and create their purpose, find their purpose, maybe they have, they are already successful, they have achieved a lot. And they ask them so Okay, so now what have money, I have a status, I have a family. And maybe I'm 45. So what's what's, what's next? What is next? So that's when I when I come in?

Brandon Handley 46:18 That's when they get sponsored by Barbara. So yeah, they get a T shirt, they get a T shirt. And then I like that too, that you're saying more resources. And but when you're saying more resources, it sounds to me like you're saying these innate resources that you help them to discover yes and apply for themselves. That's fantastic.

Dr Barbara 46:38 Which by the way, they are inner resources, then then they they turn out to become outer resources, because when they inner resources are ignited, then we find ways to get outside resources Russian,

Brandon Handley 46:51 right, like full on expression, you know? Where should we send people to come find out more about you and work and get they get your book.

Dr Barbara 47:02 My book, they can get it on amazon.com both in Kindle and paperback version. And I think the easiest way to find me is on LinkedIn. I am quite active on LinkedIn recently. And also on my website, which is just my name, www dot Barbara, Gala. pets.com. Nobody will remember bad or remember.

Brandon Handley 47:25 I will have we'll have we'll have a link there at least and so they won't have to remember it. That's what the internet's for. Short term memory. Barbara, thank you so much for showing up today. I appreciate the conversation. love what you're doing. I love your story, kind of how you got there, the journey and how you are expressing yourself. So thank you.

Dr Barbara 47:45 Thank you so much for having me here. Brandon. It was really, really a great honor to have this conversation with you. So thank you so much.

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