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Part II of this two part interview with one of Botswana's most celebrated visual artists, Wilson Ngoni. Art lexical is a podcast where we talk art and art processes.

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Wesley: [00:00:00] Greetings everybody, uh, wesley pepper here. And this is my podcast wesley pepper’s are Lexica, which is brought to you by Spudcaster and baobulb, yeah. Thanks everybody for tuning in, uh, to all the new listeners and returning listeners greetings to you all. Thank you for tuning in to listen to me, speak for the next hour or so.

[00:00:29] Um, yeah. Thank you. Um, yeah, as you guys know today is, uh, episode two or part two of the interview with Wilson Ngoni. Uh, just to recap on last week's episode, um, last week we pretty much covered is, uh, the first half of his story. So how he got into the arts, how he choose and interacts with the subject matter, um, His philosophy as an artist.

[00:00:57] And, uh, we ended up with him talking on his book. Um, there was a bit of a technical, uh, technical thing in, you know, kind of in a, to a properly, but, um, yeah, well, we were, we just started to talk on his book and I was actually going to end the interview off there back then there was, uh, you know, the line just cut for whatever reason.

[00:01:17] I still don't know. Um, how that happened. Um, yeah, man. And, uh, today's in today's episode, um, we're going to talk about his legacy as an artist. So we're going to focus on his book. Um, we're gonna, we're gonna go into detail on that. Um, so we've cover everything, you know, are we, um, Oh, we got to conceptualising the book, how he did it because he self-published it.

[00:01:39] And, um, to be honest with you, you know, as you guys know, I've worked as a publisher for the longest time and, um, um, actually don't know anybody that has self published, a coffee table book. And for my listeners who doesn't know what a coffee table book is, that's just a local word for a. Well, an art book you notice, usually to think about is usually about the excess of 200, 300 pages, um, you know, hard cover and it's usually quite pricey.

[00:02:03] So, um, we're going to get into that. We're going to look about, we're going to talk about these future, you know, future projects. Uh, artworks shows, et cetera. And, um, he told me also he's looking to do a museum and I found that super, super, super interesting. So I definitely want to hear what his plans is around that.

[00:02:23] Um, I don't know if you guys know that, um, I'm actually very, very interested in that. I mean, sometime ago, I think it was around about 2015, 2016. Um, I was talking to some guys and we were in the process of, you know, research on the person. We were busy researching, putting up a street art museum actually in Fietas.

[00:02:42] Um, uh, but that's another story. Maybe I'll do an episode on that in the, not too distant future. So in other words, it's just something I'm super, super interested in knowing, and I understand the value of a museum too. And, um, Yeah, I wouldn't be covering all of that. So stay tuned for that. But remember, the art giveaway is still up for grabs or whatever, so like subscribe and comment on this current episode and we'll choose a name randomly and you can win an original artwork done by yours

[00:03:08] truly. So, yeah, I mean, I hope you guys are prepared for today's episode. Um, I know. Yeah. I enjoy talking to Wilson the last time and I know it's going to be pretty interesting and he’s probably got a whole bunch of things to say. Um, so yeah, man, uh, hope you guys do enjoy that and I will talk to you at the end of this with, uh, more information on future episodes and to wrap it all up.

[00:03:31] So yeah. Thanks guys for tuning in. And I'll talk to you after this.

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[00:01:10] Hey, y'all this is quintessentially mental, the podcast, and I'm your host share eyes. Today's episode is titled a tale of two sisters, obviously. Inspired by a tale of two cities. If I think about the first line of that, or the first sentence of that book, if my memory, my memory doesn't fail me, you know, it goes, it was the best of times. It was the worst of times. And, and that sentence, you know, that, that opening line really sums up, I guess, the difference between my sister and I's experience.

[00:01:51] Growing up with our parents, um, we're five years apart. And so at each point in our early life, you know, we were almost an entire development phase ahead, or I was always a development phase ahead of her, um, eg. She was eight almost pre-teening and I was 13 entering my adolescence. You know, and, and that, that line, it was the best of times.

[00:02:20] It was the worst of times really reflects our experience of, of all our family, um, where, you know, I feel like I, I, I experienced the disintegration of my parents' marriage and that really affected me. Um, and she kind of lived through the aftermath of that. And so in this episode, we really want to dig into the experiences and influence of those experiences on our mental health.

[00:02:57] Of two sisters born of the same parents, um, who experienced different things. So stay tuned.

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[00:03:23]SureEyes: [00:03:23] I guess, for you to truly understand the dynamics of my family. I need to give you a bit of history, bit have a bit of context. So I'm one of six kids that I know of. I say that because I would describe my father as a bit of a loose cannon. Um, Yeah. So I have an older brother who is a half-brother. So my mom's son, but not my father's son. Um, who's five years older than me, but I grew up with him as if he was a brother.

[00:04:01] Um, it's then myself, I am the oldest girl of both my parents. It has then my sister, who I referred to, um, she's five years younger than me and we share parents. Then we have another sister, who's technically a step sister, um, where it's my ex step mom. So my father's second ex-wife, um, her daughter and not my father's daughter.

[00:04:34] Then I have another sister who turns 13 this year. Um, again a half sister. So the said ex second ex-wife and my father's daughter. And then I've got a youngest daughter. I mean our youngest sister. And you see, even I get confused

[00:04:54] youngest sister who will be. Uh, seven this year. So my father is onto his third marriage, which is why, you know, um, we joke and say, this is the kids that we know of. Um, but yeah, so, so to give you a bit of insight, um, you know, during my, and my brother's kind of years coming up as kids and teenagers, we witnessed a lot of abuse.

[00:05:24] Um, Physical. Mental, emotional, psychological, um, which really obviously affected me. I didn't have a very good relationship with my father as I almost viewed it as how can you treat my mother like that? And I guess he struggled to separate his role as a father and his role as a husband. And so. The relationship between the two of us just integrated completely.

[00:06:00] And so by the time my parents got divorced. I was 18. Um, and my, my sister who's five years younger than me was only 13. Now during that time, you know, being my sister was, you know, the youngest at that time, the Apple of my father's eye. And so there was a lot of. I think intentional rift created between us where we,...

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[00:00:33] SureEyes: [00:00:33] Welcome, welcome, welcome. A podcast focussed on mental health and mental health journeys and stories. Um, we're hoping that, or I'm hoping that this podcast, you know, helps to de stigmatize mental health. You know, we, we create a space to talk about our main goal, health struggles, celebrations, achievements, journeys, um, all of these different things that allow us to be more functional as mentally healthy people.

[00:01:16] Um, I guess I wanted to start this as a podcast that hopes to, you know, as I said, normalize the conversation around mental health and the way I was hoping to do this, is not only by sharing my story, but about also inviting guests onto my show, um, where we were able to talk about different topics regarding mental health.

[00:01:44] We, um, You know, we can actually just open up the dialogue. We can actually just open up the conversation. Um, I am a 34 year old mom, a new mom. Um, my son is still very young, um, and I've, I've battled mental health and mental illness probably from the time I was about 11 years old. Um, well at least that's when I think it started, I was only formally diagnosed when I was 26 or 27.

[00:02:24] And I've had a number of, you know, additional diagnosis and re diagnosis. You know, mental health is one of these things, we almost feel like if we talk about it, we're admitting our inadequacy, we're admitting our inability. We're admitting that we're not capable. We're admitting that we don't function.

[00:02:49] And while these things might be true. For split seconds or very brief moment in time periodically through our lives. It's not necessarily who we are. It's not necessarily what defines us. It's not necessarily, you know, the thing that makes us who we are. Um, And so I hope that by, by following and listening and engaging in these conversations, that we, we start realizing that talking about our mental health should be as normal as saying I'm just not feeling well today.

[00:03:30] And it happens to be not visible. Um, so yeah, that's, that's just a brief introduction. I'm very excited to be on this journey with you. Um, when I was approached by Candice Nolan from Baobulb, I was very excited me I like talking and to talk about something that I'm very passionate about and something that affects me directly, you know, I don't

[00:04:02] I don't always believe in, you know, offering opinions on things I don't know about. Um, but I think that this is, this is an important part of who I am. Um, or where I've come from on my journey. Um, so just to give you a bit of background on myself, I have been diagnosed primarily with borderline personality disorder.

[00:04:31] Apparently this is one of the more difficult illnesses to diagnose because it's only something that can really be observed over a period. A prolonged period of time. Um, it was suspected that I had BPD probably in 2016, um, and then only, you know, properly diagnosed towards the end of 2016. And having that diagnosis confirmed, um, in about 2017.

[00:05:04] Um, it was, it, wasn't an, I guess this is the way all of my diagnoses have come about. And I guess I was lucky in that I had, um, quite matured in their career, um, mental health professionals working with me and it was never a case of you are a borderline personality disorder sufferer, or you are

[00:05:32] you have bipolar or you have, you know, a substance induced mood disorder or you have, you know, it was more a case of, you know, these behaviors that you're displaying are evidence of a type of illness that many people struggle with. So

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Part I of this two part interview with one of Botswana's most celebrated visual artists, Wilson Ngoni. Art lexical is a podcast where we talk art and art processes.

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Wesley: [00:00:12] Hey greetings everybody, this is Wesley pepper here and you're tuning to my podcast Wesley Pepper’s art Lexica, which is brought to you by spudcaster and baobulb. Yeah. Thanks everybody for tuning in. To all my new and returning listeners. Hi, greetings everybody, um, welcome, you know, uh, we have another pretty cool episode lined up for you today.

[00:00:29] You know, it's going to be a double feature, a series, a, we talking to Wilson Ngoni uh, pretty much, um, unpack his entire art story. Um, but before I explain to you what today's episode, uh, a big shout out to last week, you know, camp Cleveland for coming through thanks, my brother, um, you know, all the best with his future travels and his book.

[00:00:49] Um, I'll definitely be keeping, uh, you know, tabs on his book and maybe potentially doing a giveaway on the show. So look forward to that.

[00:00:56] Uh, and, um, The art giveaway

[00:01:00] is still up for grabs. So definitely, you know, like subscribe and comment to this kind of, to this episode and, uh, yeah, you can win yourself, uh, original artwork done by yours truly.

[00:01:12] And, um, yeah. And then moving on to today's episode, like, uh, so Wilson's got quite a,

[00:01:17] uh,

[00:01:18] Yeah, he's got quite a huge story and it's well, I just couldn't go, you know, come back, put it all in one episode, it was just too, it was a, there was just too much. So I'm going to do this double, um,

[00:01:29] this two part series and, um, today's in today's episode, we're gonna look at his.

[00:01:34] Um, well you know how his journey through art started in bots, um, how we interpreted the surroundings, um, and his technique. Um, as you know, he does this really cool photo realist, um, images of how he interacts with his subject mapped out chooses, um, You know how he chooses to act with the subject matter and out we produces the art, you know, we're going to be diving to that entire process.

[00:01:58] It's going to be really cool. Um, and we're going to end off with him talking about his book, which is where next week's episode will start or from where we will, um, Well, we'll look at this book, uh, the content publishing behind it and his legacy because he's doing some really exciting projects. So look forward to that guys.

[00:02:16] Um, I'll chat to use at the end of the episode, um, to give you more detail about next week's episode. So I hope you guys enjoy today.

[00:02:23] And I'll chat to you after this.

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[00:02:44] Wesley: [00:02:44] Alright man, Wilson Ngoni. Thanks for coming through my brother all the way from Botswana. Um, I've heard quite a bit and read quite a bit about you in this past few weeks, this past week, actually. Uh, so looking forward to talking to you today. So, um, before we get started, just tell me, like I know it’s very cold here in South Africa today, uh, this morning, how are you doing?

[00:03:05] Wilson: [00:03:05] I'm great, my brother and thank you so much Pepper for inviting me to have this talk with you. Uh, It is, it's such a great honour. Uh, and you know, it gives you, you give me so much energy. So, so my energy too, you know,

[00:03:24] Wesley: [00:03:24] uh, thank you

[00:03:28] Wilson: [00:03:28] You know to be recognised as an artist it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a good thing sometimes, you know, we painting not for money, but, you know, uh, to make life better and you know, when we have people accepting our, uh, uh, intentions, It's great. You know, it

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He dispels the myth of the unique podcasting idea, and advises wanna-be podcasters to get stuck in before they lose their nerve. But first, buy a microphone!

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[00:00:19] Candice: [00:00:19] Hey, how's it. Paulo: All right. Candice: Also, this isn't going to take up too much of your time just to give you a kind of picture of what I'm

[00:00:24] trying to put together.

[00:00:25] So I wanted to give, um, new hosts that sign up with me, kind of like a, like a, a bird's eye view of podcasting, what you need to know, um, where to go to find out information, good resources, um, good questions to ask, you know, with people to ask that kind of stuff. So kind of connecting people in that way.

[00:00:46] And that's where you come in. So before we start, just, just to start, if you would, if you wouldn't mind just stating your name for the record and in what capacity you speaking to me, please.

[00:00:58] Paulo: [00:00:58] My name is Paulo Dias . I am head of convergence, creative and digital audio with Ultimate Media.

[00:01:06] Candice: [00:01:06] Awesome stuff.

[00:01:08] just give us a little bit of a background into how you

[00:01:11] got into podcasting.

[00:01:13] Paulo: [00:01:13] In particular, I was, I've been working in radio since 2002 I'm on all sides of radio. And then sort of like, as I entered radio, the digital side of radio started coming about, and then people would send through a shortcut, send through a keyword to a short code. And get a link.

[00:01:36] Candice: [00:01:36] Um, I missed quite a bit of what you said there.

[00:01:39] The line went a bit iffy if you wouldn't mind. Just starting from the beginning.

[00:01:43] Paulo: [00:01:43] Sorry. No worries. Um, so. I started working in radio in 2002 and sort of like, as I started working in radio and getting my feet under the desk there, the digital side of radio started coming about. And at the time it was a streaming of radio stations.

[00:02:00] As simple as that, just putting a little button on the station website, people would listen online and then we started taking the best on-air features, our most popular features and sending them out to people over SMS, short code. So they would send us the short code. We’d send back a link and they could download that to their phone.

[00:02:18] And then obviously if you progressed into, uh, putting them on to apple, then it was iTunes then. Yeah, it was iTunes then. And there was the early days of podcasting. And then, you know, just through that process, I started discovering podcasting. Myself, um, and started looking at what was happening internationally and things like that, and always had a passion for it and, uh, have sort of like maybe through a bit of will.

[00:02:43] Uh, but mostly through being a bit of a fan boy, I have, from my position of being, working in radio, both radio stations and independently being able to forge and create and force a local podcast industry. Um, and you know, thankfully for pandemic, uh, we finally have one.

[00:03:04] Candice: [00:03:04] All right.

[00:03:04] And if you wouldn't mind just elaborating a little bit about that.

[00:03:07] What do you, what do you think

[00:03:08] the impact of, uh, COVID has been on podcasting in general, but in particular in South Africa.

[00:03:16] Paulo: [00:03:16] So I think there was always like a small, healthy community of podcasters, but it was like, almost like, if you...

Wesley Pepper chats to Taye Uhuru AKA Camp Cleveland. The musician recently authored a book. They talk cooperative economics and pan africanism.

This is a podcast where we talk art and art processes.

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Wesley: [00:00:00] Greetings everybody this is Wesley Pepper here. And you're tuned into my podcast Wesley Pepper’s art Lexica, which is brought to you by Spudcaster and baobulb. Yes, everybody, greetings to everybody. Um, To all the new listeners and returning listeners. Hi, hello to everybody. Thanks for tuning in this week, man. Uh, for those of you who listened to last week's episode.

[00:00:36] Thanks to Brian Jones and Jane Morris for coming through. I think they were fantastic. I had so much fun talking to them so much energy that they have, and I really believe, uh, in their business strategy. Uh, I think, um, Yeah. I mean, I think they do fantastic. They doing fantastic things over there in Bulawayo in Zimbabwe.

[00:00:56] So, um, yeah, they based in Wales but running out of Bulawayo. So if you, yeah, and just, if you know of them tune to last week’s podcast, if you haven't heard of them, tune in to last week’s podcast. But I think that was really great. Um, Well, that, that was really fantastic. And, um, just two more things before I introduce today's guests, um, the art give is still ongoing.

[00:01:18] So what you should do is like subscribe to our channel to this podcast channel. Um, And you can drop me just a line on Facebook saying that you did. I mean, obviously we will see if you did, uh, uh, well, anyway, you can, um, and we'll choose a random name. And for now the giveaway is only available to my listeners in South Africa, and that's because of

[00:01:44] courier costs because it's coming out of my pocket and that is, uh, yeah. Anyway, I'm sure you get it. Um, so that's ongoing so that it's available. Um, I'll actually tweet, um, or post a picture of the art work I want to give away on my social media pages so you can check it out there. I'll probably do it, um, yeah, very soon.

[00:02:04] So you can look forward to that and, um, I'll talk to you guys with all with regards to what's coming forth to future episodes and future additional features and stuff like that. We add into the show at the end of the interview. So stay tuned for that. So moving on then, uh, today's episode is going to be really exciting, I'm looking forward to it.

[00:02:24] So we're talking to a brother, um, Taye Uhuru, um, from Ohio in the USA. Uh, on social media he goes by the name Camp Cleveland. Um, say he's a, a historian and activist, uh, gynecologist, a student, hiphop artists, and this guy's quite an active traveler. Um, he said he's been to over 70 countries, which is actually, I don't know many people that has been to, uh, so many countries.

[00:02:51] So, uh, that's going to be exciting to talk to him to that. Um, I also had a listen to some of his music videos. Um, so that was really cool because the one video he shot at Mabonengneng and as you know, I used to stay just around the corner from there, uh, and Gary and Jola them, all the artists featured on there.

[00:03:07] So big shout out to Gary and Jola from African Icons um, and two, I'll give you guys another, um, yeah. Hmm. I actually just remembered something, but that's fine. Um, I'll make mention of all of that towards, at the end of the episode, um, with regards to everybody who I'm associated with and all of that. Um, so yeah, man, um, hope you guys will enjoy today's episode.

[00:03:28] Um, I'm certainly looking forward to it. Um, To unpacking his, um, uh, journey and all of that. So stay tuned for that. And I'll talk to you at the end of this.

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[00:04:00] Wesley: [00:04:00] Um, okay man. Taye Uhuru...

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