Hey everybody, welcome to a conversation with the folks from Scalarius. Now we have one of them here, and that is John, and the other one, DW, is doing the tape for America’s Most Haunted or something, so he couldn’t join us. But thanks for being here, John. How’s it going? It’s going good, man. How are you? Is it America’s Most Haunted? That’s one of those things, isn’t it? I don’t know. No, probably not. But even if it was, he wouldn’t be doing it. Oh, okay. Well, let’s get into that. Let’s dismantle that statement. Goodness gracious. So, DW is a hanger on? Is that what you’re trying to say? No, no, no. He’s just… He’s not… Man, there’s… the dynamic of our shows has, it’s going to shift quite a bit. I feel here shortly, but you know, I’m DW is very much a skeptic. I am very much a believer. And so that’s where the dynamic is. But so, so tell us, give us the rundown on the show for people who don’t know. And you know,
Tell us where they can find it. We’ll get that out of the way. We’ll get the plug out of the way and then move on to other stuff. Both myself, John Olsen, and D.W. Serene were both comedians. Funny comedians, too, by the way. Not to pat myself on the back. Not to toot my own horn, but I’m pretty funny. He is most definitely a very funny guy. We’re comedians and we obviously have a paranormal and comedy podcast. And basically we just kind of, uh, it started out, uh, two years ago, almost that it was, uh, interviewing comedians who have had experiences on the road and hotel rooms and bars and clubs they performed in and whatever, but we just expanded out and started, uh, talking to people who’ve had experiences, uh,
that weren’t comedians and me and him are the comedians. So hold on. I’m going to sneeze. or i’m not. No, you didn’t. You didn’t. If anybody wants to know, if you want to know how to stop a sneeze, announce you’re going to do it. Oh, really? Yeah, I think so. It’s an involuntary reaction. People get all mad about it or whatever, but i mean, apparently there’s a way to stop it. And the way it is, is just announce you’re going to do it. It’s similar to diarrhea. I don’t know. Like, um, If you say you’re going to have diarrhea, that never seems to stop it for me, I’ll be honest with you. I’m like, I’m going to have diarrhea, and it just happens. Sometimes it just flows that way. I don’t know. Anyway, so we’re the comedy, I guess, in the paranormal and comedy show. So we have groups on there. We’ve had psychic mediums. We’ve had you on there.
Uh, so I mean, and you had experiences and whatever, just entertainers, whatever authors, things like that. And we just chat it up and see what we can, uh, what kind of show we can come up with. And usually they’re, they’re pretty good. I, I’ve had very few stinkers to be fair, but you know, do happen. Wow. So do you always have a guest or do you, sometimes it’s just you guys? Um, we, 90% is a guest. I might even say 95%. There are shows that we do. We are going to do probably a two to three part series on the Warrens. Oh, yeah. We’re going to have a special guest comic on or whatever, but it is just going to be us and talking about it. Does he have a character that’s based on Ed Warren, perhaps? No.
Oh, that’d be funny if he was like, I’m, you know… Just all serious. I’m Ted Warren. It’s half-brother from a different marriage. Yeah. No. That’d be funny. It’s just… Yeah. I guess… Informative, I guess, talking about that. I have no idea what we’ll do, but we’re gonna do it. It’s the most honest… Comedy, uh, paranormal show on the internet. Yeah. And it gets us in trouble too, by the way so i mean but yeah well that’s cool though. So, but i mean, that’s interesting, but that you you really rely on the guests. And so that’s, I mean, that’s, uh, that’s tough to do so it is you know, kudos. It’s tough to do, especially when, I mean, the guests sometimes, I mean, I’m okay.
Again, I’m going to throw percentages out there. Like 99.9% of the guests are really cool with everything we’ve ever done. And just kind of, I’m not going to say play along because we’re not playing, but, you know, just go with the flow. Right. But there have been a couple that, you know, didn’t really go with the flow too well. Did they know that it was a paranormal show? Or were they thinking it was some type of… true crime and or No, they do this entrepreneurial thing then it was paranormal. I just didn’t think i don’t know if they maybe misunderstood the whole entertainment aspect of it or or what but yeah so yeah all right yeah okay that’s interesting it happens did anybody just leave in the middle? I haven’t had anybody leave, but i had some backlashes.
a couple episodes um but um no i haven’t had anybody leave really no that’s good not yet not yet right yeah well i mean to be honest with you you know the setup is that it’s supposed to be you know funny and kind of off the cuff and so if they leave it’s just as good yeah pretty much yeah because it throws you a curveball and then you can go with that right so and the thing is is that Both myself and DW are, I mean, me probably more recently, but we’re both pretty kind and, you know, we don’t, we’re not outwardly trying to be mean to people. So if anybody really like, I mean, they have to dig pretty deep to get offended to want to be able to, you know what I mean? I guess. Yeah, that’s true. I didn’t find anything offensive.
Whenever I was on the show with you, but maybe if I think about it a little bit. I mean, if you want to. I can think of something. I can think of something. Maybe. I’ll background process that while we talk. So that’s fun, though. So you’re the believer and DW is the skeptic, right? Yeah. I mean, that’s kind of the roles you guys think you inhabit there. Is that the idea? of yeah i mean um yeah it’s just the way we are. I mean, he’s skeptical about everything though. So, I mean, which is ironic because i am the more pessimistic of the both and he’s just the most skeptic. I don’t, you know and i’m trying to, uh, change that about myself, you know, the whole pessimistic thing, but i was trying to be more optimistic. Okay.
Yeah, I try. I do. What are you doing to facilitate that? Well, boy, we’re going to hit this right off. Well, you offered it up. I renewed my faith in Christ. And when I did that, things just, you know, like you’re not supposed to be all down. Hope and all that good stuff, right? Hope, faith, love, you know, all that good stuff. All that jazz. I mean, it’s true. What’s so funny about peace, love, and understanding, right? There you go. Which made it kind of through a bugaboo into the whole Scolarius thing because I’m like, what are we doing now that we can do to glorify God? Because that’s what I want to do, right? I got to glorify God. It’s kind of hard, but we’ve taken a little bit of sabbatical to try to regroup
And when I say a little bit, I’m talking two weeks without recording. So it’s not like a long month or six months or something. No, no. So let me ask you a question. So do you think, so you, you believe that there are ghosts and you, you think you believe in Christ, right? So now what’s, Does Christ believe in ghosts? Funny story. Somebody’s asking me if I’m really blue. Millie, not only am I blue, I’m furry. Sorry. Go ahead, John. Uh, no, Christ doesn’t believe in ghosts. And so really Christ doesn’t believe in ghosts. Um, no, it, but there’s theories on this. Okay. Like, I don’t know how deep you want to get into this, but I’ve, I’ve had some friends go deep. Let’s go. Okay. Fair enough. I’ve had some friends that, um, like if you want to go, like, I don’t know. Um,
I have a friend of mine who was recently on the show, and he’s actually kind of popular on TikTok. He’s actually really popular on TikTok. He goes by the Supernatural Sleuth. He’s from Appalachians, Tennessee. He’s a cop who does paranormal stuff, and he’s also a devout Christian. You know, there’s a lot of cops in the paranormal stuff. I don’t know if you’ve ever noticed that. Yeah, no, it’s really cool. Isn’t that interesting? it is so if anybody wants to check out his stuff, it’s the supernatural sleuth. It’s on TikTok. I think it might actually have something on uh instagram as well. But, um, you know, he’s like all ghosts are demons and okay. Um, and there’s theories for that. And that’s part of it is because like demons are all around and they hear you talk and
things like that. And they could whisper things into your ears and the hence psychics and mediums. So, and so like, you know, whisper stuff into their ears so they can tell you. I want, I got to stop you. So you think Jesus, you said Jesus doesn’t believe in ghosts, but you’re saying that, that so demons is a whole different classification. So a demon is not necessarily a ghost. Cause I’m assuming Jesus believes in demons. Absolutely. Jesus believes in demons. Jesus actually did a favor for a demon once. Um, which is kind of a, that wasn’t, uh, Charlie Daniels, was it no no no um well the story goes basically is that, that’s uh, Jesus came on the shore and this, this, uh, man who was extremely, extremely possessed comes out of the cemetery and he’s like naked. He’s like wrapped in chains and stuff like, you know, whatever. And, uh, he walked. Yeah.
Usually when you lose your clothes, first thing you pick up is some chains. Chains, yeah. No, he was breaking chains. He was howling at the moon. Most definitely possessed. And so he recognized, well, he and the Legion demons recognized Jesus and they walked up to him. Or, you know, he walked up, whatever. You know how it goes. And so the demons are like, we don’t want to go to hell. cast us into those pigs. Like anybody who knows anything knows that. Oh, I’ve heard of this. Yeah. And he’s like, okay. So he did, he cast them into the pigs. So like, you know, Christ did a demon a favor, I guess. So that’s kind of a weird thing to do. Like when you say love your brother and everything else, apparently, I mean, that is straight up his enemy. And he’s like, okay, well maybe. Yeah. Don’t throw you into a pig. What the hell? Yeah. Yeah.
Well, Jesus was Jewish, so… And there you go. He wasn’t going to come in contact with that pig again. He was not going to eat it. Nope. And nobody else was either. So that’s kind of where it was there. And then so you kind of… So yes, demons are real. So therefore, in that case, then yes, if you’re going to say all ghosts are demons, then Jesus believed in ghosts. But my theory in this is, you know, like when the great war in heaven happened and Lucifer was cast out of heaven. He wasn’t cast to hell. He was cast to earth. So, and there’s also a thing like, is heaven a, I’m sorry, is hell a place or a state of mind? And a lot of people say yes. So therefore it’s both right. It could be both. So the theory that I guess I have, and that’s what it is, is a theory.
Is all demons, are all ghosts demons? No, I don’t think so. But I think the ghosts that come in contact with people here on Earth are just separated from God. So like if you even look into the Catholic religion, they believe it. They believe. that you go into purgatory, which is in between heaven and hell, and you stay in purgatory until your sin is washed away. And then you can enter into heaven. And while you’re there, people can pray for you and things like that. And sometimes, like I said, in the Catholic religion, they believe that sometimes God will allow a spirit to come to you from purgatory to ask for prayers and so on and so forth. So just kind of, I’m, I’m kind of in between there where i’m like, well, I don’t think all ghosts are demons, but then again, I don’t, I’m not 100 sure on what purgatory is or if it is a thing, or if you are separated from God, which means like, I mean, if you know, there’s a god and you are separated from them, then that is your hell. I mean, bottom line. So,
because no human being, whether they believe in God or not, no human being knows what it’s like to be on earth without God. So when you die and you are not allowed into heaven, so therefore you know what it’s like to be without God. So therefore you are technically in hell and whether or not, um, and right now hell is most likely on the earth because, um, The rapture and the tribulation. Everything hasn’t happened. And the great abyss hasn’t opened. So. Are all ghosts demons? No. But are ghosts spirits that are not. With God? Yeah probably. And it doesn’t mean they’re great. It doesn’t mean they’re horrible people. Or anything like that. Because bottom line is. I mean I deserve hell. I’m a sinner as well. So you got to look at it like that. Like.
Not all horrible, nasty human beings are around. That’s interesting. But there’s a little bit of incongruence there with your belief in religion and then now believing that there are ghosts. Like I said, if I put it there, And I’m like, Hey, you know, there’s a possibility that these things are just absent from God. Then I can go about and do my thing. Still talk about the truth as I know it, you know, and still continue on with scolarius and have a good time. I mean, that’s, that’s kind of where, where I’m at with that. Gotcha. Oh, Diet Coke. I was like, what do you got there? I hear you popping. No, it’s Diet Coke. Sorry. If you’re going to pull the, um, Perfectly fine. Michael Landsberg thing, like it’s not polite to drink when you’re on an interview. No, I don’t care. All right, cool. This ain’t Canadian, so we’re good. No, that’s all good. So then you think, well, then the funny thing is, I guess DW being the skeptic, does he not believe in ghosts at all? I don’t remember from our, he seemed to be in the camp of ghosts, but when I was on the show, but I can’t remember now.
He’s just kind of… Whatever the wind blows. He’s never really had a real experience with anything. If you don’t really have a real experience with it, how can you say it exists or doesn’t? It’s no different than seeing… I’ve seen pictures of duck-billed platypus, but I’ve never seen one in whatever. Am I 100% sure that they exist? I mean… Sure. I guess. I don’t know. I haven’t seen one but yeah but I mean, you’re not the expert on platypuses. I mean, so, and he’s not an expert on, on the paranormal and I’ve never claimed to be an expert on it either. I just, I have a lot of experience with it both on, um, on a personal level. And I was a ghost hunter too, for, for a while. And this is prior there’s another life, another wife.
That’s how I use it. Wow. That’s very complicated now. You got all these layers here. So let’s stick with the platypus for a second. And so obviously, you know, there’s platypuses in the world. And the reason we know that, I’ve never seen a platypus. Wait a minute. Maybe I have at the zoo. I’m trying to remember now. Maybe I have seen a platypus. But anyway, most people have never seen a platypus. But you know that they’re real because of basically a lot of other people have seen the platypus. And it’s been studied scientifically. And there’s been things published about it. Now, the funny thing is, all those things are true about ghosts. Every one of the things I just mentioned. A lot of other people see them. They’ve been studied a bit. And
you know, things have been written about them. All that’s true about ghosts, but there’s this divide where people are like, well, you know, the ghost thing is not, you know, legit because, and then that, well, you know, obviously we have platypus, somebody’s got dead platypus bodies somewhere in a museum or something. And we don’t have the ghost. Do you think that is the divider or what do you, why do you think there’s this big divide between these two worlds where You know, at one point in time, and it’s not been that long ago, I mean, you know, we’re talking probably within the last 150 years, somebody had seen a platypus and goes, you won’t believe what I saw. I saw this thing, it has a duck bill, it has little, you know, claws and it lays eggs and they’re like, you’re full of crap. You don’t even, you’re crazy. And, you know, it was a cryptid at that point, right? So what needs to happen to push ghosts
into the realm of platypuses at this stage, do you think? Catch one in a jar? Maybe. I don’t know. Catch it in a trap and stick it in a firehouse in New York. I don’t know. Yeah. Ghostbusters reference. Ghostbusters, yeah. Okay, so I think there’s a stigma with it. I mean, obviously, I really… I’m sure that guy who saw the platypus was like, got stigmatized pretty harshly. Not to mention, chances are, he was a criminal in Australia when all that happened. Most likely. On the run. You wouldn’t believe what I just saw. I saw it’s like a duck, but it’s like an otter. I guess ducks have flippers. Whatever. I don’t know what I’m talking about. You look back Okay, so Harry Houdini believed in ghosts, right? So Harry Houdini was really big into spiritualism, and he was real in tune, I guess, with the other side. So if you look at Harry Houdini, the world’s greatest magician, okay, so magic is kind of hooey, right? It’s fake, right? Yeah, that’s the point of it. It tricks people. Right? It tricks people.
You have the world’s greatest magician talking about how he believes in the spiritual world and ghosts and this and the other thing. I guess I’m not going to say the stigma started there, but I bet there’s a lot of people who are like, that’s crap. It went from there. He was good. Don’t get me wrong, but I don’t want to rain on your parade a little bit here. I guess I will rain on your parade. I don’t want to. I think Houdini wanted to believe in ghosts, but he never got proof. Therefore, he was always on the fence. He’s more like a DW. The story that I know, I’ll put it that way, not that I know more than you, but the story that I’ve heard is that
he did have a secret phrase or word that he gave to his wife and said, after I die, if you hear this in one of these seances or whatever, then it’s really me. Otherwise, they’re faking it. And she never heard it. And he debunked a bunch of those people who were taking people’s money for seances and stuff like that. That was one of his hobbies was to go in and debunk all these people. And this guy named James Randi, who’s a magician, who kind of carried on Until his death, the same thing. He had a million dollars. If you could prove any of this, he’d give you a million dollars. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I heard about that. Yeah. And so, but yeah, so I think Houdini wanted to believe, but he wanted proof. He was interested enough, but he wanted more proof. And during his lifetime and so far with James Randi just died. I don’t not that long ago within five years, I think.
we still haven’t gotten anything that would be considered definitive proof that this happened. But you and I have both had experiences that have happened and we can’t explain them. And so that sits with people, right? Because there’s a lot of people who have that. So I’m raining on one half and then I’m not raining on the other half. I’m sunshining here. But the… So that’s the hard part to get across is the fact that you have so many people who have had, and I’m not talking just noises, I’m talking seen things and felt things, seen things, experienced things that are not just knocks and taps and things that could easily be explained away in some way, shape or form. because they’re not very clear, right? They’re very vague. And so, yeah, that’s the hard part. So I guess I’ll bring it around here then. So tell us one of your more vivid and concrete experiences that you’ve had. Ooh, concrete. Okay, so the only one I can have that’s like,
I guess, cooperated with video, I guess, would be Adora the Explorer doll. And it was just funny because I hate dolls. Anyway, I just don’t like them. Kind of thing against dolls. So we were at… I was in this investigation of this house where there was… some activity happening and it was kind of messed up, you know, it was, it was kind of a messed up situation. Um, the kids were really, really scared and parents would lock them in the room. Like, Oh, that’s great. That’s not, you know, that’s good parenting all the way around. Cause it, yeah. Cause they didn’t want to hear the screaming and stuff and waking them up and be like, okay. You know, like whatever. So, Oh my God. I know. Yeah. It was, I think there was, that was, uh, yeah. Woo. There may be more to that. Yeah. More to that story in the background. There was more, but this is the paranormal part of it. So I, you know, I was, I was sitting on this bed and there was like a door of the Explorer stuffed like doll, you know, whatever. And it was sitting up on the edge of like,
against the wall. And we’re talking, it was probably, uh, I don’t know. I mean, it was a full size bed and I was kind of sitting down towards the foot and this doll was up at the head against the wall. So you’re talking whatever it is that, I don’t know what, what’s the size of a full size bed, three feet, four feet across. Yeah. Something like that. Like three by six or something. Yeah. Okay. by about six foot. So by diagonal wise, it was probably, I don’t know, five feet from me. Right. And so over the course and it, I was in the room and there was no air conditioning. I was sweating, like sweating balls. Essentially it was bad. And, um, well, two things actually happened at that point, but one of the, okay. So, um,
Um, I had my radio kind of on my knee or whatever, and there’s chatter and stuff like that. And all of a sudden you saw like, and I felt it, I felt like my radio gets smacked, like, like hurt it and radio flew. And I was like, what in the world? Like my reaction was like, what, you know, like arms up. and okay. So that happened. And then we just kind of like looked around whatever and tried to figure out what was going on there. And in the meantime, if throughout everything that was happening, every moment that i was there, this doll in that corner was moving closer to me and we, we had it on video. It was moving closer to me. Like skating or is it just yeah like scooting scooting
like a little kid would kind of like sneak up on you. Kind of. Yeah. But it’s a stupid freaking doll and she’s exploring and all of a sudden it tips over to the like tips over like front wise and, and runs like hits me. And I was like oh look it went from five feet away. Yeah. and I was like, like how over, like how much time would you say that it moved from five feet away to touching you? Like two minutes or five minutes ten minutes 45 oh my gosh 45 minutes yeah somewhere around there. Maybe these people didn’t live by the train tracks or anything nope there was nothing everywhere for anything. We tried to make that doll move. So many times, like bouncing on the bed. 45 minutes. Wow. Just kind of moved, kept moving. Maybe it was less than that. I don’t know. Like, but I was in there. It seemed like I was in there for a while. Cause I was sweating. Like I said, I was dying in that room. And, um, yeah. Yeah. No one, the parents locked you in. What are you going to do? No, it was hanging out. So I got, I got smacked in the hand. Mm-hmm.
And the radio went flying and the doll, the doll touched me. Stupid doll. Yeah. But anyway, yeah. Like I said, I’m not a fan of them anyway. Swiper knows swiping. That’s what it said. Yeah. Well, that’s weird. That is weird. Especially because of the distance. I was, you know, thinking, well, you know, you, you move around on the bed and then it just kind of falls toward you, baby. The, The bed’s not level or the floor is not level. But even if it wasn’t 45, even if it was 20 minutes, as long as it wasn’t like within a minute or two, then you’re talking about something that doesn’t make any sense. Unless the whole house is vibrating constantly and they’re like these little electronic football people and they just move around the bed whenever because they just do that. No, we tried. We tried debunking it.
We just couldn’t. Somebody was there with you. It was recorded as well. There was the whole team. Everybody was in there. That’s the thing. When I said, that doll touched me. I remember the team lead was like, that doll was against the wall. I was like, I know, right? You shouldn’t have been there. We went from focusing on, we got the part where the Radial smacked out of my hand. But then we started focusing on that doll and then we watched it over time. And it just like, there was just creeping down, creeping, creeping, creeping, and then tipped over. I was trying to steal your wallet somewhere around there. Yeah. It was swiper. He’s not paying attention. I’m going to go up there. I learned a thing or two from swiper and I’m going to get that guy’s wallet, but he’s got cash galore in there.
This guy looks like he eats, so he carries cash. Yeah. I was bigger then, too. About 100 pounds bigger than what I am now. So I weigh 218 now. So I was pretty close to about 305 or whatever. I was just a bad joke. I’m sorry, John. No, you’re good. Well, that’s wild. I mean, that’s one of those things that kind of makes you sit up and go, You know, how does this happen? And so DW, he’s like, yeah, you just, you’re just a wiggle, wiggly guy. And he wiggled and the bed moved and it came down and got you. Yeah. None of that’s like, I mean, he, he listens to it and then he’s like, okay. And you can just tell he’s like the, the wheels turn and trying to figure out like what, what could have done it? You know, like, man, like we went through everything. There was no trains. There was like, unless of course, like you said,
the house is just vibrating consistently. Yeah. And it was a vibration so low that no human could figure out. Right. Low and slow. Yeah. So, I mean, I don’t know, but yeah, no, that’s interesting. So did, um, I mean, did you get like, we talked earlier, but, uh, Lorraine, Ed and Lorraine Warren. And so they were kind of, uh, behind the whole idea that objects are haunted. So you guys didn’t sequester Dora at that point because she moved and might be haunted. No, because you have to have an energy behind it. Yeah. I mean, they have this idea that objects are haunted in this. I mean, I don’t know. It’s just an energy behind it. Like I, I’m not going to sit there and say that people or things don’t leave an imprint on
because we are energy like it is legit. Like the, I mean, it’s, it’s known our brain is straight electricity. Our heart obviously runs and doesn’t run based on electricity. Like we are energy. So I’m not going to sit there and say that there’s not an imprint of something now i’m going to I’m going to disagree with you a little bit on this one. Yes, your brain and your whole body has an electrical system that runs it, right? And that’s why whenever people get tased, that’s why they seize up because you’re throwing everything out of balance, right? Yep. And then you can’t function. But you talk about leaving electricity. These things aren’t capacitors. They can’t store the energy. Right. if you have energy that you’re releasing, then it has to get stored in some way, shape or form and cloth and, and stuffing and, and things like this and wood and they don’t hold electricity. It has to be of some material that can hold electricity. Like if you’ve got, um, um, so Chris, like crystals, crystals can hold electricity, right? Minerals, types of minerals, certain types of rock can hold electricity, right?
But everyday objects, I find it hard to fathom that they could actually physically contain energy for, I mean, you can get shocked because you’re rubbing your feet on the floor, but you’re releasing that energy. It’s not holding that energy. It’s basically just going to ground and it goes away and it’s gone. So how do you explain these things holding energy then I don’t, I mean, I can’t, to be perfectly honest, I can’t, the only thing I can think of is like, maybe, I don’t know if your house is built on a weird soil that has like all like weird clay or what is that? Like granite or something in there that’s able to hold quartz that’s able to hold it. and be able to release it at points. I don’t know. Like, I mean, also when you release, it has to release it. Typically those things, just like a capacitor would release all at once. It wouldn’t release slowly. And so it’s more like a jolt when it releases rather than, you know, batteries are made up of, we’re also chemicals, right? So batteries are made up of chemicals along with an anode and they have some type of metal that can transfer electricity and the chemicals can store electrons and
And so, you know, we have this chemistry and this and everything. And so that’s where I always fall off on the ghost things when people talk about energy is because we know how it works. We know how it flows. And so at some point, unless this is a type of energy that we don’t know about at all. Right. We don’t have any knowledge of it and how it works. Then I think the word energy is a bad word to use because. We know how electricity works. We know how radio waves work. We know how gamma rays work. We know how radiation works. So I think, you know, pulling the name, using the word energy in the sense is giving a false interpretation of something. And we talked on your show, and I told you, I said, I think, you know, there are obviously things in this world we don’t understand, a lot of them.
and still don’t, even though everybody likes to think, back in the Middle Ages, in the medieval times, they’re all like, we know everything, you know, and now all this stuff has happened, right? We always, as a species, assume we know it all, and then, you know, things change, but I think energy is one of those things where it’s like, we need to come up with something that’s a little more specific because every area has jargon and they have their own jargon. And so I think that the ghost world needs to come up with a better jargon that’s more specific and more applicable and that also is more repeatable. Because you’re like, well, there’s energy at this house, but at this other house, similar things happen. I don’t think there’s energy there. And so it gets to be more and more and more confusing because they don’t line up in an order that is repeatable and makes sense. Not to say that stuff’s not happening, but to say what is happening is not explainable by the language that’s being used currently.
And I can blow everybody’s mind and completely and utterly like wipe out every amount of belief from my system and everybody else’s by saying this, like, I mean, straight up, it could all be high EMF and we’re all just nuts because of it. You know what I mean? So you’re saying if we wore tinfoil hats, we’d all be better off and wouldn’t experience these things. I’m just saying that could be it too. Like, but I mean, the same as like, I don’t want to like, I don’t want to go into religion too much. Like, cause I, I know, like I don’t mind, I’ll talk about it all day, but you know, people in the paranormal, I feel sometimes they, they get like, Oh God, that’s, that’s not a thing or whatever, but you have to have some sort of faith when it comes to ghosts in the paranormal, the same as you do when it comes to religion and things like that, because like you’re talking about something that yes, do things happen?
and I’m not going to say miracles and things, but do things happen that are unexplained in the paranormal? Absolutely. Right. But there is no concrete evidence with your eyes for the most part that sits there and tells you 100% that it’s legit. Right. You have to go by what people have seen, what people down, what people have video, you know, things like that. Okay. And the same thing kind of goes for my faith. Now, you know, 500 and some people seen Jesus walk after he was crucified. So, therefore, like, there’s a lot of eyewitnesses that said that. So, I mean, and that’s documented. If there is one thing that can be 100% to a T is that there was a Jesus of Nazareth. He was crucified. He did die, and he was resurrected. That is bottom line. But…
everything else people are going to doubt and and that’s and that’s okay that’s where the faith comes in and the same thing goes like, yeah, I guess you can draw that parallel to the paranormal, right? Like there are things that have happened. People have seen them, everything else. You just gotta have faith that it’s there now the the interesting thing as we are moving forward in time is. with the advent of, well, I’ll put it this way. So artificial intelligence and where you and I, as the public can access has gotten powerful enough to make images and video and documentation good enough to where you don’t know if it was really, if it really happened or not, you’re totally reliant on somebody’s, that it is, right? Now, that being said, AI has to go through, you know, a research or, you know, a birthing stage, shall we say. And, you know, with everything else that’s high tech and, you know, potentially dangerous, a lot of times that starts in secret. And it has started, you know, decades ago.
And so what we get at the public probably isn’t the level that it actually can attain in the kind of private hands that it started in, right? Oh, it’s scary, right? Yeah, and so we don’t even know that they could, you talk about EMF and so forth, they could use some artificial intelligence to manipulate an environment, right? and make you experience things and make things feel like you get knocked out of your hands or move a doll without a wire because it’s being propelled by the charged particles, right? Like static electricity. And so all that all of a sudden now becomes possible. And so then where are we at? I mean, the hard part now is that with everything becomes possible, then is everything, just because it’s possible to do these things falsely, does it make everything real or does it make everything not real? So I’m going to take, this is kind of crazy. Joe Rogan on his podcast, I don’t know if anybody’s heard it. I don’t know. Who knows? Who knows who they got?
He had a guy named Wesley Huff on there. Wesley Huff, he’s a comedian. No, he’s not a comedian. He’s a Canadian. They’re all comedians. I don’t know if you ever heard of him or whatever, but he’s really smart. He was on there and they were talking about everything. They basically said, Rogan actually brought this up. He said, if there’s things that we know, we know that Jesus died. He was in the tomb. He came out He walked around for 40 days, taught people things, and then he’s like, see ya, and I’ll come back at some point, right? And he’s like, now? Look at it now. If he came back now, nobody would believe it. Like, that is a real test of faith. Like, if he came back now, nobody would believe it. The funny thing is, I think he’s come back several times, and people at least say they’re Jesus, and so…
I mean, you know, and try to be a Christ-like. So, you know, I’d hate to be, I mean, it happened. It happened. I mean, you read stories, just look, you know, just say last time somebody said they were Jesus is probably like two days ago. It’s, it’s probably true. There’s a guy who, uh, I live in the Minneapolis suburbs here. So, and, uh, there’s a gentleman who, I mean, jeez i think i’ve seen him over in Blaine, which is a ways away like he he wears a robe and sandals and he walks and like he he he is a vagrant, right? So, and i’m like where is he ah well i mean you know i i hate to be that guy. In all appearances, he seems to be a vagrant if i don’t i don’t want to be that guy and i don’t want to be too
judgmental because it’s against what I feel, but if Jesus is coming back, I don’t think it’s Minnesota he’s going to come to. I’m just throwing it out there. Really? You don’t think so? I’ve been. It’s pretty. Maybe not in the suburbs over in St. Paul, Minneapolis suburbs, but in other parts of Minneapolis, it’s nice. Yeah. Maybe out in the trees and whatnot. Yeah, yeah. But I mean, that is one of the big questions nowadays is what, you know, we had this whole standard, you know, let’s say 15, 20 years ago that everybody could agree to. You get a picture, get some video, get, you know, have, you know, these things happen. And that’s all out the window. I mean, right now there’s, you know, you and I in probably 30 minutes come up with a very fairly convincing haunted photo of some sort. And if we corroborated it and we said, you know, we don’t really, you know, it’s just like magic, right? So you’re, I’m the magician and you’re out in the audience. And even though people don’t know that we know each other, I say, well, how about you? You come up by her and then, and then you, you know, you say whatever,
I did was magic and that everybody believes it. I mean, that’s where we’re at in this day and age is, is you can, you can do all kinds of stuff to fool people. The, the hard part is a lot of people don’t try hard enough. And so it looks bad, but, but it’s easy now. I mean, I can’t count how many things as I, you know, reading, Oh, here’s, here’s pictures of Bigfoot and they’re all, they’re all fake, even though people believe in Bigfoot. Yeah. So I could go on my phone right now and go to chat GTP or whatever the crap it’s called. GPT. And I can type in there, like create video of a ghost walking through my living room. Right. Yeah, exactly. And it’s going to do it. And it’s not going to be like, Oh, it’s going to be convincing looking.
And it will happen. And it’s, it’s, it’s crazy. I don’t. So where does that take us though? Does that take us down the path of believing nothing, whether it’s true or not? Are we just going to be like, yeah, not that. I, you know, honestly, I don’t know because like you, I mean, you can’t, you know, back in the day, Okay, so I’m going to go back. Ghost hunters, you know, TAPS. The group that I was in was part of the TAPS family in Iowa. Kind of a cool thing, you know. It’s kind of cool, you know, because we got a lot of attention, so to speak, because of it. Because, you know, they were big at the time. Right. So we got a lot of investigations. And, you know, people go, it’s Grant and Jason. No, they’re not.
You get me. You don’t get Drain or Jason. You got the Minneapolis team. So, yeah. So, you know, we would have evidence of things like voices, obviously, EVPs, and we’d get some photo stuff and everything everything that we got for photo, we just kind of dismissed as dust, you know, dust or bugs didn’t really go too far into that, you know, but there was a couple of videos, obviously, you know, the door, the Explorer doll, we did catch a full body apparition one time in a old abandoned hospital, which was kind of cool. Um, or at least what I assumed was a full body apparition, uh, you know, because, you know, whatever I, I, we collected evidence, uh, And based on that evidence, we would tell these people like, yes or no, that your house was haunted or, you know, you had some activity there. Would we say the word haunted? No, not, not so much because like activity could be anything. Like I said, EMF, um, any, any type of, but there was things that happened. Right. Right. Now, you know, and, you know, people always blamed.
ghost hunters for faking their stuff. You know, like, oh, it’s fake. It’s faked. It’s faked. Now I can say with 100 certainty, what we did, what we showed was not, um, it wasn’t changed in any way. It was our interpretation of what it was. Now we say that it was 100 a ghost. No, but it was an anomaly that wasn’t there at the time. So therefore, okay, whatever. And that’s how we expressed it. That’s how we, we gave it to people. But then at the same time on their show, I’m going to call them out specifically. And I’ll even say the same for ghost adventures a little bit later. They would say, yes, your place is haunted. Well, that’s big. They got to do, they got to put on a show. So yeah, they don’t say it’s haunted. Then people are like, Oh,
Why did I give you access for a week? Why am I staying in a hotel while you stay at my house? I don’t know. You can’t be 100% sure. You just really can’t. Until you can catalog it, until you can literally say this is a platypus or this is a rabbit and then You know, we have subspecies. So this is a jackrabbit. This is, you know, this kind of rabbit. Until you can do that with ghosts and these anomalies, you’re never going, it’s not going to be there. I mean, that’s what we need in the field is for somebody to literally pin it all down and have it be repeatable. And then that way you can say, oh, this is that. Until that, I mean, we have loose ones, right? So we have loose ones. This is what they call it. This is a… Oh, shoot. I’m blanking on my terms now. But they’ll say this is a haunting that’s residual. That’s it. Residual haunting. So they’re starting to get into these things because it’s always a lady in white and she’s always at the top of the stairs. It doesn’t happen every night, but when it happens, that’s what happens.
or they always seem to walk the same path and I’ve seen them walk the same path. And so it’s starting to go in those directions where you, you kind of have things that point to, you know, specifications that point to categories, you know, cause that’s what, as you know, as humans, we categorize everything just like you, you know, no matter what it is, we all have this weird compulsion to categorize anything that we have in front of us. Right. Um, and, And unfortunately, that’s what we have to have in this field in order to push it forward is have something that’s repeatable. And it always happens the same no matter where it’s at. And then you stick a label to it, and then that way it’s categorized. And then everybody starts taking notice to those things. I think that’s why cryptids are so popular is because people have created categories for them.
And I saw it, and it was big and hairy, so it’s a Sasquatch. You know what I mean? And that’s why people are a little more, I think, in tune with some of these things rather than not because they can literally – it’s like birdwatching. You can take out a book, and you can look at it and say, yeah, we had a blue warbler. You know? You’re a blue warbler. I don’t know. You’re a blue warbler. That’s right. I got to go. Okay, so I’m just going to throw this out there. I don’t know if this is something we’re supposed to do on this show or not, but I just find it fun. Oh, we do what we want. Okay, that’s cool. So I don’t know. You have a fan or something. This Millie Webs. I don’t know. Do you know who this is? No, I don’t know who it is. Okay, well, anyway. I’m assuming it’s her, and I apologize if it’s not. So, I mean, I don’t want to misgender anybody. So the comments are poop, poop, poop, poop.
Who? So there’s one. Yeah. Are you really blue? Yeah. Are you really a cat? Yeah. So you’re a little, you’re, you’re things there. Are you, are you really, you’re not really blue. Are you Bob? Depends on the day. Okay. Fair enough. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes I’m down, you know, I get it. A little blue. I understand. Sometimes my humor is in the blue section of humor where I say things that are really ornery and, You know, nasty. It can’t be any worse than George Carlin or Richard Pryor. Bob Saget, for Christ’s sake. That guy was filthy. Yeah, he was… Yeah, but no, I’m not really blue. But in color, no, skin tone, no, I’m not blue. So, I don’t know if you want to… I don’t know if you want to do this or not, but I’ve been in the…
in the mood to tell street jokes lately. Do you want to hear some street jokes? Yeah, let’s, let’s, yeah, let’s hear some street. I like street tacos where sometimes they’re really good. Sometimes I don’t have any tacos right now, but I do have, I have street jokes, so I’ll throw those at you. Um, yeah, one of my, one of my favorite ones, uh, my, my lovely queen consort, which is my fiance, but she hates that term. So she doesn’t want to, Oh, she doesn’t like to be called fiance. So, um, Really? She likes queen consort over fiance? Well, I don’t know. Why don’t you just call her your concubine? What is more… I don’t know about that one. I don’t know what’s more pretentious, fiance or queen consort, but either way. I’m the one that made it up. Okay, so prior she was my betrothed, right? But then when I actually made it official, I put the ring on it, so therefore she became the queen consort. You can just call her your ringer.
That, that too. But anyway, so she buys this one. So, I mean, I don’t know. So I, this is, and I’ll tell you why. So guy, guy walks up to the counter and he says, ah, give me a Polish sausage. The guy behind the counter goes, what are you, you’re Polish? He goes, you know what? This is messed up. That’s really messed up. If I walked in here and I ordered a Belgian waffle, you’re going to automatically assume I’m from, I’m from Belgium. If I walked in here and I ordered a bratwurst, you can just assume that I’m from Germany? You know what? If I came in here and ordered a slice of pizza, you just assume that I’m from Italy? Or even then, a baguette from stinking French? What is the thing? He goes, well, sir, this is a hardware store.
Ha ha ha! She’s pulling, by the way. That one, she doesn’t like that one. I don’t know. I like that joke. Do they have sausage at the hardware store? See? There we go. Not so sure. The other one is there’s two old men. They’re sitting in a park. One old man says to the other old man, I’m getting old. He goes, you’re not that old. He goes, yes, I am. I am very old. Guess how old I am. And he’s like, I don’t know. And he goes, guess, guess. And he goes, all right, if I’m going to guess how old you are, you got to take off your pants. He goes, take off my pants. I’m in a park. There’s kids here. If you want me to guess how old you are, you got to take off your pants. He’s like, geez, fine. And he takes off his pants. He goes, all right, now take off your underwear. What? I’m in a park. We’re in a park. There’s kids here. I’m not taking off my underwear. And he’s like, dog, you got to take off your underwear. If you want me to guess how old you are. And he’s like, ah, geez,
Fine. So he takes off his underwear. And the guy goes, all right, now you got to take your thumb and stick it right up your butt. He’s like, what? No, I’m not taking my, I’m not sticking my thumb anywhere. And most, I’m standing here pantsless. I’m in a park. There’s kids. Everybody goes, if you want me to guess how old you are, you’re going to have to stick your thumb up your butt. He’s like, geez, fine. So he goes, fine. You happy? He goes, you’re 95. And he goes, what? How did you know that? And he goes, you told me yesterday. My poor guy is sitting on his own thumb. Anyway, so those are just some silly, stupid, I don’t know, street jokes. I like to say, I don’t know. They’re fun. They’re fun. But yeah. Well…
we’ve we’ve hit our time here. We went the whole hour. Oh, well. And I ended it with those and you ended it with an old 95 year old in a park naked from the waist down the stomach his butt pretty much it works so again tell people uh you have a show. It’s called scolarius which i think is a fantastic name, by the way i’m I’m jealous that you thought of this name and I did not think of a name like Scolarius. Well, I’m going to give full credit to my queen consort because she’s the one that. Oh, really? She thought of it? Yeah, she did. Yeah. Because I was sitting there thinking of a name and she was like, why not? And you’re like, let’s call it thumb up the butt. No, come on, John. She’s like, why not Scolarius? Scary and hilarious. I was like, yeah, that’s actually pretty funny. It works.
So they can catch it at scolariaspod.buzzsprout.com or at scolarius on some of the socials if you’re out there thinking about that. And also, look up Supernatural Sleuth, your buddy there. Good guy. He’s got going on, right? Yeah, he’s a very good guy. Check him out. You’ll like it. I don’t know. I’m giving him more views. I can’t, like… I’m asking, you know… We’re sitting there talking about Scalarius or whatever else. Like I said, it was kind of funny. I created a video today or yesterday or whatever to explain that we’re not having an episode. It usually comes out on Wednesdays. And it’s been two weeks since we had one or whatever. And I was like, I know both of you listeners are going to be very upset that I don’t have… Mom, Dad, we’re not going to have another episode. But yeah, so I don’t know. Oh my gosh, Johnny, what’s going on?
First of all, my mom, she’s like, what’s a podcast? She’s like, I’m at the hardware store and I’m asking for polished sausage. Oh, yeah. She’s not quite there. John, what am I doing? I was at the park playing chess with a nice old guy. Next thing I know, Well, you’re going to come back around. I know you’re going to pull it out and pull it off and make it happen. You’ll have a new episode soon. I promise. It’ll probably be next week. There you go. Probably next week. That’s a good name for a show, too. That one is. What’s your show name? Probably next week. I will say this. I’ll leave this. If you want to leave it with this. It’s cool, too. I said I have some things to get off my chest when we get back on Scolarius, and I promise I will get all this stuff off my chest, so it is probably something that people would want to listen to, I would guess. Oh, wow. A bombshell coming on Scolarius, I guess. I don’t know. Back 15 years ago, the CM Punk
hype bomb or whatever that’d probably be more like but i don’t know it was i thought it just just things the mildly entertaining reveal on it’s hilarious maybe there you go mildly entertaining it’s probably how it’s gonna be well thanks john and tell dw we missed him tonight and uh well you know oh you didn’t miss him okay that’s a bit harsh. I guess i can tell him partially what’s gonna happen on that show i i always i missed a little fella. I do. But, uh, everybody go listen to scolarius when you get a chance. The old show. It’s not the last week they didn’t have one. But, uh, and, uh, we’ll catch y’all next time. John, hold on for a second i’m gonna hit a button and i’ll talk to you on the other side here. All right. Later.
