Tom appears on Sector Five on Salt Lake City's K-Talk. The audio is taken directly from their archive including regional radio ads (for some local flavor). This audio is being distributed on both the Ape Reality and Stone Ape podcasts. Sorry for any duplication.

Tom starts talking about a telephone survey and using the internet to deal with telephone harassment. Heron offers an idea for the children of the future. Tom talks about double speed listening and simulating sub-language apes. They explore a greater gather of lunatics thanks to Stone Ape. Tom talks about being comfortable not talking and understanding women. They explore Asperger reality. (Tom misspeaks the sophists overlap Plato). Advertising damaging television springs up as a topic. Tom digresses into his writing. Heron asks about the artificial life community. Heron reminds himself about a childhood of model railroading disappointment. (Tom also misspeaks about Big Al Mayo's location - he's in CT, not sure where the NJ reference came from.) Tom offers a description of fear, Romania, Iran and Cuba. Heron offers a film for Tom. Tom offers a location for Heron. Heron concludes the show with a little telephone humor.

Tom starts with an apology and disappointment with a film director conversation. They discuss anime and cultural anomalies. Tom offers a nerd impersonation and a concern relating to his lowering intelligence. Tom identifies the sublanguage human and that Heron has romantic assumptions about humanity through his utopian life. Tom thinks Heron should explore the US via train. They talk about speech therapy, topics leading to violence and a return to wise dogs. Heron raises his fear of spiders and it digresses into a general discussion on insects. Tom asks why Heron is becoming more popular and they talk about discovering a legacy.

Tom starts the show talking about Chris Abbott and Gerald de Jong. They explore mixed feelings of Las Vegas. Tom raises the fact that Heron is instigating terror with his questions of language. Tom offers the postal service is a tool for evil. They discuss books and reading styles. Tom talks about the mujahideen and death in public. Tom discusses future destinations. Heron clarifies some marital details. They discuss the Zeitgeist movement and Peter Joseph. They discuss the open line versus the controlled line. Tom explains his experience of the perfect game. Heron launches a discussion on R. Crumb and the sixties. They talk about the Vietnam War and helicopters. Heron asks about the floods in Australia then the conversation moves to earthquakes. The recording concludes with Fien and Mitch's rendition of Black Hole Sun.

Heron starts by asking about Tom's audio setup and then they talk about the name of the podcast. Tom raises a listener topic on fate, digresses into his formal studies and their experiences of academics. Tom talks about his past few weeks in the context of fate, hands and wise dogs. They talk about Heron's recollection of conversations. They talk about Homeland Security and how to change people's minds. Tom asks if Heron is important in his view of the future. Tom offers a piano interlude and returns to a discussion of his 1993 writing and transposing a location. They discuss rebooting reality through illness. Tom explains the problems of recording through December, decompressing death and his brother's visit to the US. Heron concludes with some discussion of TeamSpeak.

Heron starts talking about Facebook ads. Tom floats the new name for the podcast. They discuss pharmacology versus psychology. Tom raises the phylum of the monkey Heron observes. They talk about who should be allowed to self-publish, power structures and sexuality. Tom confirms he's okay to die now. They discuss meeting listeners. Tom is thankful he isn't an academic. Heron asks why things Tom produces are now moving from just being free. Tom talks about one of his heroes, William Gaines, publisher of Mad magazine and the absence of contemporary war comics and toys. They discuss the Bonobo Future comic/movie and move on to some discussion on WikiLeaks.

Heron starts the conversation talking about gratitude and combination locks. Heron sets an assignment for the listeners. Tom talks about a particular way of learning stuff and the ongoing Stone Ape Facebook campaign versus the Model Rail Radio revolution. Heron wants to change the name of the podcast and Tom wants the listeners to decide on the new name. They discuss the Joneses and the hyper-consumerist festival. Tom talks about a literary form he is trying to explore and mental health. Tom offers some discussion of personal freedom, strange 1993 connections and authenticity. Heron raises Stephen Hawking. Tom reflects on his blog and his time in the UK. Heron reads a quote and talks about quote collection. Tom talks about forced writing and forced editing.

Tom starts with a couple of updates on the breakdown of self-publishing and Facebook ads. They discuss the next thirty to fifty years. Tom raises the issue of discomfort and change. Heron wanders into some very un-politically correct British humor and talks about his ideas becoming invitations. They discuss Stone Ape's self identity in a Facebook ad. They discuss the valuable documents. Tom offers the idea that repressive culture can be measured and how to solve the problems with Iraq and Afghanistan.

Heron kicks off the discussion talking about being a schmuck in society. Tom re-acquaints himself with Heron's hero and explores the Eastern tradition. Heron talks about the need for a champion for his projects. Tom asks about Heron's annual desert trip for the real new year and talks about the ad campaign for this very podcast. They explore the previous show and, perhaps, the end of language monkey analysis. Tom talks about being a post-singular entity and publishing everything to get it out to the literati. The talking ends abruptly due to Tom's pending headache.

Tom introduces the format of the show to guest, Jonathan Reinhart, host of the CWF GameCast. They discuss their introductions to wargaming. Tom asks about the history of the CWF Forums. (Jonathan's rabbits make a guest appearance with their water bottle and food plate through the early part of the recording.) Tom asks about Flames of War (and defines Flames of War through the discussion). Jonathan makes a major announcement about his blog and hopefully future directions in podcasting. Tom explains some of the behind the scenes with his podcasts. Tom asks Jonathan about running for office and local politics on an international level. They talk about married life. Jonathan asks two questions about wargaming and gaming probability.