Heron raises the idea of the machine versus the computer. Tom explores pedantry and pharmacology versus psychology. The conversation then move into the perspective of history and possibly understanding of history. Heron raises the hope in solar. They discuss suicide and moving. Heron talks about travel. Tom discusses publishing, information and hobbies. They conclude with an overview on Tom's writing.

Download numbers start the topics closely followed by the general format of the show going on. Tom volunteers his thoughts about personal productivity and the failure of the TED conferences. Tom then moves the discussion onto Google blocking sites (including his own) and the neutering of the discourse on net neutrality. Heron starts the main topic for the discussion on survival. This is shortly circumvented by Tom discussing assumptions of a high level of interest, Heron's views on marriage and monastic pursuits, a G-rated history versus reality. The conversation concludes with a long discussion of how to survive the potential social collapse.

Heron starts the conversation talking about dreaming and inspiration. Tom offers the idea that Terence McKenna can teach you a lot about constructive dreaming. The conversation moves to Paux (Northern) California versus global thinking and the US versus the UK. Heron's offers a connected dream with death and Tom volunteers a comparable story. Tom offers his theory about WikiLeaks via Chechnya and then moves to the archetypal paradox of the smartest person in the room. The conversation shifts to the overwhelming nature of Facebook lurkers. Tom ask Heron about his early life and his all boys Catholic high school education and when Heron became Heron.

Tom starts the show by talking about anonymity and stalkers. Heron asks how many people came to listen to Tom in the Bay Area. They both explore the ideas of language and the (potential of the) self. The conversation moves on to dreaming and language. Tom concludes with questions on snapping a narrative.

Tom starts the show by talking about the way information is framed is as important as the information itself in may cases. Heron continues with his experience of computer history in 1983. Tom talks about how well old computers simulate and his general background in computing. The conversation moves on to the idea that youth is dangerous and a wandering history of Noble Ape. They return to the idea of framing information and Noble Apes speaking. Heron offers the idea of the language of wasps and the self as muscle tension. Tom describes his basis in comedy. Heron outlines his means of reclaiming the calendar. Tom reflects on the Fuller-followers, the Monkey King and the toxicity of an environment. The recording concludes with the format of the show.

Heron starts the discussion on teaching and understanding language. The conversation continues into Heron's experiences in Vietnam and Tom's experiences in Malaysia. This conversation moves back into a discussion of language and onto marriage and sex. Tom introduces the idea of the narrative engine and expands on the view of prison as a continuation of education. Heron outlines why he isn't a human and how he has never known a wise dog. The conversation wanders into the idea of futurism and the futurist. Tom continues with the discussion of school, prison and voting with a slightly Australian twist. Tom critiques the introduction to Heron's language hypothesis onto podcasts as chat-lines. The conversation concludes on how Heron needs a fan-generated Wikipedia entry and the Trialogues.

Tom kicks off the discussion about online identities and Heron's thoughts on creating an online identity and the distinctions between squish and the matrix. They move on to discuss voting and the decriminalization of drugs. The manipulation of language for political means is explored and some discussion of the future of Earth. Tom begins a discussion on the importance of the connection to the internet as being part of the matrix, piano tuning and the riots of southern California vs distinctions in Australia. Heron talks about his son, genetics, adoption and Terence McKenna. Tom expands on the ideas of community in a virtual and physical sense. They conclude on the idea of the monologue as the podcast and the fundamental change in the planet.

Tom Barbalet introduces himself to Heron Stone and offers a Noble Ape 101 on his work. Tom discusses the information dark age that we appear to be entering. Heron and Tom then riff on the power of podcasts as a means of communication. Heron proposes the format of future shows. The audio quality is particularly poor in this pilot. Future shows have been recorded directly via Skype.