Heron starts talking about appealing to spiritual teachers and spam. Heron protests the use of the term Heronisms. (Tom's audio is patchy.) Tom raises the idea of not speaking French with a French accent. Tom continues to talk about assembling most of the email he sent in 2000 for a book project. They continue the exploration of Heron's definition of marriage. Tom digresses briefly about his disturbing time living on campus. Heron sneaks in some language monkey discussion. Tom raises the topic of Heron's son. They explore the idea of the writing that may or may not be Heron's. Tom offers a brief discussion on modern medicine versus futurist medicine.

Heron starts with falling down by choice and asks about Tom's view of the future. Tom explains the Australian brain drain. Heron discovers Tolkien. Tom introduces the first question from a listener on McKenna. Tom discusses the death of NPR. Heron raises Facebook news feeds and Tom provides some humorous examples. Tom begins an exploration of destroying pianos. (Tom's Rich, Lipp and Sohn was from the 1830s.) Heron raises the worst thing he ever did and concludes with the ongoing exploration of marriage.

Heron and Tom start talking about work and being worked to death. Tom offers the KMO chat as a point of discussion. Tom floats his interest in backwards music. Heron raises the unscripted topic of sleep. Tom explores technologies of all ages. Heron digresses to Heronisms in disgust. Tom raises Heron's keyboard - a topic Heron loves to talk about! Tom asks about the loss of a stupidity. They return to the keyboard and playing music at parties. They agree that scars are superior to tattoos.

Tom introduces the format of the show to guest, KMO (or Kevin O'Connor as he is known to his friends on Facebook), host of the C-Realm podcast. Tom kicks off talking about 9/11. (Tom's example of the Genting Highlands collapse was not due to fire.) Tom ask about Kevin's experience with the Couch Surfing Touring. Kevin notes that a physical community is still superior to a virtual community. Kevin talks about the origin of KMO. They discuss Kevin's possible embodiment of Douglas Rushkoff's philosophies in Life Inc. Tom asks about Kevin's current life and the skills that are needed to survive. The conversation then moves to Kevin/KMO's new book, Conversations on Collapse: C-Realm Podcast Transcripts. Tom offers a discussion about publishing and then models of podcasting. Kevin offers zombie movies as a topic of discussion. They explore films you like as a reflection of your own psychological perspective.

Heron and Tom start talking about health and airborne disease transmissions. Tom discusses airline subsidies versus actual holidays. Tom asks Heron how he will attract the thinkers. Tom continues talking about DJing and dancing. Heron describes COTO. Tom explores the Quaker origins of salons. They both discuss where in the world to live - a recurring problem. Heron mentions he has watched Wonderland. They talk about the many Larry Yaegers of the US. Tom deconstructs California all-over. They explore Heron's continuing online project. Tom points out that Microsoft Word is following Heron's hatred of passive language and that Heron is a light editor. Tom offers the idea that the language machine is Heron's deity. They discuss the idea of comfort. Heron concludes the show with some concern that the stories will eventually run out.

The initial greeting audio was cut. Heron starts the discussion talking about his change in lifestyle based on external demands. They talk about communes for the wealthy. Heron raises the ongoing language monkey project. Tom recounts a birthday party in a sports bar and finding the wealthy. Heron explains his thoughts on migrating information to the web. Tom offers the idea of re-reading a book to get a completely new book. They expand into a series of film reviews. Tom raises his recent conversation with Traci Portillo. They conclude exploring the format of the show.

Tom introduces the format of the show to guest, Traci Portillo. They continue to discuss the International Game Developers' Association and role playing games (computer and other). Tom offers an introduction to Traci's interest in cosplay and dressing up. Traci explains her making of costumes. They both talk about Christmas and Thanksgiving. Tom begins a long discussion on the OCD Project and the idea of explicit versus implicit scripting. They conclude discussing ventriloquism.

Tom introduces the idea of the mirror through the film Shine or at least Tom's connection to the film. Heron raises the distinction between British aristocracy and trailer trash. Tom talks about doing humor in a serious fashion. Heron thinks Tom is not quite finished. Tom complains about forced writing. Heron asks about blogging. (Tom misspeaks Douglas Rushkoff's comic was mid-2000s.) Tom offers some discussion about Facebook as a tool for creating social movements and Fred Hampton. They both explore Burning Man and the Trialogues. Tom asks where is Bertrand today? Heron thinks banal is the answer.

Heron starts the show talking about short hair. Tom asks about Heron’s experience of the 1980s. Heron talks about community radio and Roy of Hollywood. In terms of a history of Silicon Valley, Fire in the Valley is the book to start with according to Tom. Heron is bored with nationalism and his parents. Tom offers the idea that we are entering a new dark ages and that Heron should explore multimedia. They discuss the iPad versus the people. Tom offers some discussion of museums and World War 2. (Incidentally 60 million people died in World War 2.) Heron reiterates his battle cry on followers and Tom discusses some future possible guests.

Heron starts by talking about his lazy experiences of Vietnam and compares family experiences with Tom. They both explore the idea of high school defining the antithesis of reality. Tom offers the War on Greed as a War on he can get behind. Tom continues exploring tax value-for-money. The conversation returns to the idea of success from high school. They continue to explore the idea of desert people of Southern California. Tom explores a memory from early childhood with a Piscine number plate on the road and how a dead cat can have different points of origin. The idea of audio saturation leads into the concept of avatars in the real world. Tom provides a critique of the modern artificial life community. Tom misspeaks Chris Langton came up with the definition in the late 1980s (not 1990s). Tom confesses the best thing he ever experienced in the UK was a nerd-fest. Heron and Tom discuss small luxuries. They conclude with the YouTube form and too many cats.