So many women in difficult relationships hold onto a dangerous belief: if I just love him enough, I can save him.

Psychotherapist and author Shavaun Scott knows this illusion all too well. In her memoir Nightbird (Pierian Springs Press, May 12), she unflinchingly shares her journey through an emotionally abusive marriage, her husband’s tragic suicide, and the painful yet liberating process of rebuilding her life.

In this conversation, Shavaun and I explore:

• Why so many women feel responsible for “saving” their partners—and how that belief keeps us trapped.
• How suicide or the threat of can be a control tactic and how greater awareness leads to compassion.
• The structural and emotional barriers that keep survivors in cycles of abuse—and what it takes to break free.
• How trauma, grief, and loss can become unlikely catalysts for healing, self-discovery, and even freedom.
• The power of authentic connection in reclaiming identity and rebuilding after devastation.

Shavaun’s story is raw, sobering, and ultimately full of hope. Whether you’ve faced abuse, grappled with loss, or love someone who has, her voice is a reminder that healing is possible, and freedom is worth fighting for. Learn more about Shavaun’s work and her book Nightbird at shavaunscott.com.

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In a world where we’re taught to speak up, make our point, and persuade, the skill of listening often gets overlooked—and undervalued. Yet listening, when done well, can transform our relationships far more than talking or lecturing ever could.

In this episode of Stronger in the Difficult Places, Dr. Zoe sits down with Licensed Professional Counselor Gina Yanovitch to explore how truly hearing others can deepen understanding, foster connection, and defuse conflict. Gina, author of Stop Avoiding It, shares how coping skills, neuroscience, and scripture can help us move out of our emotional minds, embrace uncertainty, and navigate hard conversations with grace.

What We Discuss in This Episode:

• Why listening is a more powerful relationship tool than talking or persuading
• How better listening can help you understand your partner on a deeper level
• The connection between coping skills and flexibility in problem-solving
• How to move out of your emotional mind and resist the urge to avoid discomfort
• The role of uncertainty and change in personal growth

About Gina Yanovitch: Gina Yanovitch is a Licensed Professional Counselor in sunny Phoenix, Arizona, specializing in trauma and relationships. In her new book, Stop Avoiding It, she equips readers with tools to face difficult emotions and conversations head-on—combining practical coping skills, brain science, and spiritual wisdom.

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What does it really take to make a long-term marriage work and why do so many couples struggle to stay connected over time? In this episode, I sit down with psychologist and author Dr. Bonnie Comfort to explore the hard truths and hopeful tools behind enduring love.

With over 30 years of experience working with couples, Dr. Comfort offers a candid look into the complexities of modern marriage, the emotional minefield of infidelity, and why empathy, not perfection, is the real glue that holds relationships together. We talk about the cultural conditioning that encourages women to be overly pleasing, the evolving power dynamics in long-term relationships, and how to navigate the inevitable incompatibilities that arise between two people over time.

Dr. Comfort’s latest book, Staying Married Is the Hardest Part, is a compassionate, unflinching exploration of what it means to choose each other over and over again, even when it's not easy.

In this conversation, we explore:

- The infidelity trap and what it reveals about a relationship - The “glue” that helps couples weather storms and stay committed - The surprising risks inherent in couples’ therapy - How empathy becomes a sustaining force in long-term love - Why cultural messaging still trains women to please at their own expense - How to make peace with the inevitable incompatibilities in marriage - The shifting power dynamics that unfold over decades together

Meet Dr. Bonnie Comfort: Dr. Bonnie Comfort is a clinical psychologist, author, and expert in marital therapy. She holds an MSW from the University of Manitoba and a PhD from the Chicago School of Professional Psychology in Los Angeles. Her psychological thriller Denial was published in seven countries and translated into four languages. Her newest book, Staying Married Is the Hardest Part, offers a raw, honest take on the emotional and psychological complexities of committed relationships. She lives in Portland, Oregon, with her long-time partner.

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What do you do when life takes a turn you never asked for? When the diagnosis, the betrayal, the loss, or the slow unraveling of your plans leaves you feeling like the wrong person for the job?

In this deeply personal and compassionate episode, Dr. Zoe reads a letter to anyone facing a life they didn’t expect. Originally written for an anthology, this letter was adapted for anyone navigating life-changing pain, disorientation, or shame. Whether you’re in the midst of grief, struggling with a sudden shift in identity, or simply wondering how to move forward this episode is a lifeline.

You'll hear:

-Why shame, guilt, and blame aren't yours to carry -How real bravery can look like breaking down, not holding it all together -The truth about phantom critics and inner comparison -A gentle invitation to stop fighting for the past and start building from the now -Why acceptance isn’t giving up—it’s grieving forward

This is for the woman who is tired of pretending she’s fine. For the one who needs someone to say, “You are not broken.” For anyone who needs a breath, a moment, and a reminder: You’ve got this.

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Why do so many women find themselves in relationships where they’re doing all the emotional labor? And what role does childhood—and especially the way we raise boys—play in this dynamic? In today’s powerful episode, Dr. Gloria K. Vanderhorst joins me to unpack the lifelong impact of early emotional conditioning—particularly for boys. With over 50 years of experience working with individuals, families, and schools, Dr. Gloria brings deep insight into how our earliest experiences shape how we love, relate, and often repeat patterns without even realizing it. We explore why boys are often taught to disconnect from their emotions, how that affects their adult relationships, and what it takes to change—even later in life. Whether you're parenting a son, partnered with an emotionally shut-down man, or healing from your own emotional inheritance, this episode will speak to your heart. In this episode, we discuss:

• Why early childhood memories—especially unconscious ones—still affect us today
• How boys are taught to lose touch with their emotions, and the cultural cost
• Why emotional labor often falls to women—and what we can do about it
• How Women condition men to emotionally abandon them
• The price we all pay for the emotional suppression of men
• How real change is possible at any age
• A practical framework for healing and self-awareness: Read, Reflect, Respond

About Dr. Gloria Vanderhorst: Dr. Gloria K. Vanderhorst is a licensed psychologist and author of the best-selling book Read, Reflect, Respond: The 3 R’s of Growth and Change. With five decades of experience, she’s helped individuals of all ages understand how early experiences shape their present—and how to heal from trauma in order to grow.

Resources Mentioned: Read, Reflect, Respond: The 3 R’s of Growth and Change by Dr. Gloria Vanderhorst – Available on Amazon

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What if anxiety wasn’t the enemy, but a signal? In this powerful episode, Dr. Zoe talks with psychotherapist and transformational coach Bonnie Brindle about why anxiety is just energy—and how to channel it instead of being ruled by it. Bonnie shares her own story of living with intense anxiety, what finally helped her break free, and the surprising way your energy system could be sabotaging your calm.

You’ll walk away with practical, empowering tools to regulate your nervous system before hard conversations, build internal trust, and quiet your mind when your relationship feels uncertain.

We Talk About:

• Why anxiety is just energy and how to move it through your body
• Simple tools to calm anxiety before a difficult conversation
• What to do when you don’t trust your partner—and how to separate truth from fear
• The #1 mistake people make when trying to “fix” their anxiety
• Bonnie’s personal journey of overcoming years of chronic anxiety
• How to spot and disarm “crazymakers” in your life
• Energy-based techniques that complement traditional therapy

About Our Guest: Bonnie Brindle is The Anxiety Avenger™—a licensed psychotherapist, author, educator, transformational coach, and international speaker. She blends talk therapy with evidence-based energy practices to help clients shift out of survival mode and into self-trust and emotional freedom. Bonnie’s work is grounded in the belief that peace is possible for everyone—once you learn to decode the chaos.

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Welcome back to Stronger in the Difficult Places. I’m your host, Dr. Zoe, and today we’re digging deep into a topic that hits close to home for so many women in difficult relationships: the difference between enmeshment, co-dependence, and healthy interdependence.

These patterns can be hard to recognize when they’re all you’ve ever known. Maybe you were taught that love means sacrifice. That closeness means never saying no. That boundaries are rejection. But the truth? Real love doesn’t require you to disappear.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

• The key differences between enmeshment and co-dependence
• How these dynamics show up in parent-child and romantic relationships
• Why emotional fusion is not the same as intimacy
• What healthy interdependence actually looks and feels like
• How to begin untangling your identity from someone else’s needs

This episode is for the woman who’s tired of losing herself in the name of love. Who wants connection — but not at the cost of her own soul. Who’s ready to set boundaries not out of anger, but out of clarity and care.

Remember: We’re not fixing them. We’re fixing you. And that changes everything.

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In this powerful episode, Dr. Zoe sits down with author and biblical life coach Dawn Ward to talk about the often-invisible toll that guilt, shame, and self-blame take on mothers of addicted children. Dawn shares how faith helped her move forward in her calling, even while her loved ones were still in the midst of their struggle. Together, they explore how trauma can keep us stuck, what it means to truly feel again, and how to reclaim peace without waiting for the perfect outcome.

Dawn Ward is an author, speaker, Bible teacher, and a certified biblical life coach. She is the founder of The Faith to Flourish, a ministry offering support and encouragement to women with addicted loved ones. She is married to Steve and mom to three adult children. Her book, From Guilt to Grace: Hope and Healing for Christian Moms of Addicted Children, published September 2024, is now available.

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Website: www.thefaithtoflourish.com

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Trust is the foundation of every healthy relationship—and when it breaks, it can feel like your world is unraveling. In this deeply honest and empowering episode, Dr. Zoe speaks to the woman who finds herself in the painful in-between: staying in a relationship with a partner she no longer fully trusts.

Whether the betrayal is emotional, financial, or physical—or the result of consistent minimization of your needs—Dr. Zoe shares five powerful steps to help you regain clarity, agency, and peace. This episode isn’t about making the decision to stay or leave. It’s about choosing you—your healing, your stability, your voice.

In This Episode, You’ll Learn:

• Why radical honesty is the first step to healing
• How to detach your emotional stability from your partner’s behavior
• What clear, consequential boundaries actually sound like
• How to reclaim your agency instead of waiting for change
• Why grieving the loss of trust is necessary—before you can truly choose your next step

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If you’re feeling tired—but not just in your body, in your soul—this episode is for you.

Dr. Zoe sits down with Tracie Braylock, holistic nurse, educator, and author of Radical Relaxation: Releasing the Stress You Were Never Meant to Carry. Together, they unpack what “radical relaxation” really means (hint: it’s not about bubble baths) and why women especially need to redefine their relationship with rest.

We talk about:

• Why modern stress is more than just a lifestyle issue—it’s a spiritual and physiological one
• The difference between numbing out and true restoration
• How to recognize your stress signals before your body forces you to stop
• The role of boundaries in protecting your peace
• How Biblical wisdom and scientific research both point to the necessity of deep rest

Tracie brings her experience as a former operating room nurse and her current role as a writer with Proverbs 31 Ministries to offer grounded, compassionate insights for women who carry too much—and rest too little.

Take a deep breath, press play, and give yourself permission to stop striving and start receiving the rest your body and soul actually need.

Website: traciebraylock.com

Instagram: @traciebraylock

Book: Radical Relaxation: Releasing the Stress You Were Never Meant to Carry

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