It doesn’t have to be this way. If we actually had a focused movement involved in red-state public affairs, we’d change the country overnight. On Saturday, Indiana pastor Micha Beckwith shocked the political establishment by beating the party apparatus, which has the backing of Trump to secure the nomination for lieutenant governor. He joins us to discuss how he was propelled by churchgoing delegates who were highly engaged and sick and tired of a red state being governed like California. We engage in a free-wheeling conversation about how pastors need to motivate their congregants to get on the political playing field, the need to inject more godly virtue into an increasingly secularized right wing, and how his voice can serve as a beachhead for our values in a state that has been devoid of conservatives. Most of all, Beckwith’s victory proves once again that switching primaries to conventions is the only way to break the uniparty. 

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