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Success from the Green: PGA Pro Tips with Kevin Dougherty

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Embark on a journey to success from the lush greens of golf with our special guest, Kevin Dougherty. In this episode, Kevin imparts his invaluable tips and experiences, revealing the secrets that have led to triumph on the golf course. From building a strong support system to refining daily fundamentals, join us as we explore the green pathways to success in both golf and life.

**Key Highlights:**

1. Green Glory: Kevin’s Proven Path to Success – Uncover the strategies behind Kevin’s victories on the green, from a steadfast support system to unwavering self-belief.

2. Nutrition for Champions: Fueling the Golfing Journey – Delve into Kevin’s commitment to high-energy nutrition and a well-balanced diet for peak physical and mental performance.

3. Swing to Win: Kevin’s Tips for Aspiring Golfers- Receive expert advice for amateur golfers, focusing on daily fundamentals and strategic gameplay to elevate your skills.

4. Putting Precision: Kevin’s Green Mastery Unveiled – Explore Kevin’s daily putting drill using two dimes and a black dot, a simple yet impactful practice for precision on the greens.

5. Mental Mastership: Unlocking the Golfer’s Mindset – Gain insights into the mental resilience and mindfulness practices that contribute to Kevin’s success in golf and beyond.

Join us as we uncover the journey to success from the green, drawing inspiration and tips from the seasoned pro, Kevin Dougherty. Tune in for a blend of golfing wisdom and life lessons, and stay connected for more episodes featuring extraordinary individuals in the realms of sports and personal development.

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I’m your host, Brett Gilliland. Today, I’ve got Kevin Doughtery

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with me. Kevin, how you doing, my man?

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I’m doing great. How about you? I’m doing

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great. I’m here in Dallas, Texas. Right?

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Yes, sir. It’s where home is, and finally

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getting to spend some time at home. I

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mean, Kevin after the season ended,

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we’ve been on the road everywhere. So it’s

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definitely really nice just to be home and

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in place.

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Nice night at home. Isn’t it? Yeah, as

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you’ll you’ll find, because I think you got

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a little one. So as those kids get

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bigger, even if you’re, if you are at

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home, sometimes you’re not at home. So,

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well, listen, man. You are Kevin Doughtery. You

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are a PGA tour,

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player. You know, you’re not just a PGA

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tour cardholder. You are PGA tour player, my

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man. And so, you know, we go way

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back two years ago. We got them elevated

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together. You look like a golfer. I think

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had my sticks with me. I had the

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privilege of playing Muirfield village. You were, at

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a golf tournament, I think, at the Corn

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Ferry and made for the qualifier, if I’m

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not mistaken. And We struck up a conversation.

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We ended up being next door neighbors. We

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started phoning each other on Instagram, and now

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here we are at a podcast. You just

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qualified for the PGA tour.

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But before we dive into any of that

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stuff, man, I wanna start for our listeners,

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about a massive lesson that I’ve learned, through

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this whole thing. So I’m gonna brag on

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Kevin for a minute. I, reached out to

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Kevin. Kevin was very nice, gave us of

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his time. We did a podcast. Well,

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Brett had a computer that was a little

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bit older. And,

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my,

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technology, let’s say, wasn’t great. And it happened

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on a couple guest, and I didn’t think

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much of it. I thought it was just

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a rainy day. It’s bad wifi, but it

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really was bad on our time.

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And I got off. I was so embarrassed

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I’m like, my god. I hope I can

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idiot. You know, I’ve had all these guests

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on. And now here, Kevin has to give

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us his time. He thinks I’m this terrible

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person. And and in our minds, we build

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these fears. And the people listen to this,

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I’m sorry to do all the talking, Kevin,

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but we put it in our minds. It

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never blows up to our magnitude that we

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believe it to be. Right? A hundred percent.

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And

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I said, you know what, man, I gotta

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reach out to this guy on Instagram and

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apologize

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and, you know, tell him I was terrible

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as a host and

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kinda eat crow, and then humbly asked him

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if he’d even be open to doing it

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again. And here’s what I learned, ladies and

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gentlemen. He said, yes.

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Let’s do it. And I’m like, you know,

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in life, we put people on pedestals. Here’s

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a PGA tour player. He’s gonna say, no.

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What an idiot Brett is? And all those

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fears never came true. So, Kevin, you are

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the man. I appreciate it. Sorry for the

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long intro, but I think it says a

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lot about you and your character and who

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you are.

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Yeah. No. Definitely. Mean,

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just because of what I do for a

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living doesn’t change who I am as a

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person. And I’m technically, I’m at fault as

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well. I mean, I completely

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I completely whipped our makeup interview

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We’re back from Kevin on Monday,

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and we had a schedule for Tuesday. And

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about 05:00 on Tuesday, I was going through

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my calendar. I’m like,

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oh, no. Oh, no.

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Hey. I thought it was the next day.

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And So that’s my fault, but now I’m

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glad that we can kind of make it

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work and just kind of both being easygoing.

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I think that’s pretty important these days to

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feel. As if a lot of people have

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kind of lost that easygoing,

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just kind of roll with the punches and

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see how everything turns out. Yep. I think

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we both would agree. If if these are

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our biggest problems in life, we’re pretty damn

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lucky, aren’t we?

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We’re doing okay. Yeah. We’re doing just fine.

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So let me give a little backstory here.

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So another thing I wanna talk about, Kevin,

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is, I found in my research to be

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awesome, is and I know you guys talked

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about this on, on the subpar podcast with

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Colton Oss and the sleaze, and those guys

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are hilarious. They’re awesome.

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Colts coming on soon. I told you, and

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I’ve already had the sleaze. So they’re good

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guys. But,

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people talk about it, and it it’s your

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perseverance. You know, you you almost made it

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on the tour a couple times You know,

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I watched that chip numerous times. It was,

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you know, an inch from going in and

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and did not go in, which would’ve got

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your PGA tour card, thirty one years old.

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And now you earn it. Talk about that

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grind, man, and talk about that journey of

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what you’ve learned to get you to where

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you are now, getting right start on the

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PGA tour.

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Yeah. I just think I’ve surrounded myself with

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an incredibly

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close

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small circle

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of support.

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And

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they’ve kinda beaten it into me that,

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I mean, the ultimate goal is is not

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making the PJ tour. It’s not

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winning a PJ Tourpan. It’s not winning a

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major championship. I mean, it’s enjoying this journey

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and kind of learning

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as you go along the way, and I

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feel like I’ve done a job of that.

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And that’s definitely been something that’s kept me

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going,

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even in those

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really tough times, like, twenty eighteen when I

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finished

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twenty six, and the next year I had

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a pretty good chance. And

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just made a debacle of the last hole

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and

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just having a very positive

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set of parents, a positive wife, my brother,

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all my coaches, and then that small circle

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of friends that I mean I pretty much

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called my family.

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They’re all in it with me and that

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just kinda

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keeps the train going. Yeah. So I heard

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on a podcast you were on. It might

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have been the subpar when,

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I think you sat down with your dad.

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Right? And your dad You said, hey, I

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don’t know if I wanna do this anymore.

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And what what’d your dad tell you?

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Yeah. So it was that would’ve been a

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COVID year.

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And it was kinda like the wraparound season.

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So it was a long season.

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Nobody really knew

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what was gonna happen if we were just

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gonna stop playing again if COVID spiked up

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again or whatever. So I’m just kinda in

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a rut and

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I felt like I was

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working hard and I was traveling with two

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of my really good buddies that had kids.

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I didn’t have a daughter at the time,

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and they were on the end of their

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careers. So they were talking about

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kinda wrapping it up, and I kinda fell

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into that a little bit. Like Yeah. Easy

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to do. Yeah. They seem to be just

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fine with it and

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So it was after an event, and I

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I believe I missed a cut in Utah

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and it was a quick flight back to

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my hometown in Marietta, California.

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Sat down my dad. He was, hey, you

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just you kinda seem a little off. Like,

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what’s going on? And I told him, like,

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I just don’t know

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if I wanna do this anymore, I mean,

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I vividly remember him saying, like,

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right now, you don’t have

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a child. You have

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a very supportive set of parents, a very

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supportive set of in laws,

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an unbelievable life.

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And

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if you can kinda get the same back

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on track, like, you can provide for your

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family

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in more ways and just financially. I mean,

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my daughter’s been on my daughter’s been on

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forty flights probably. And she’s not even not

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even a year and a half old and

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different countries. And so and that kinda sparked

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something in me. Like, this is something that

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I really do wanna do. I’m just need

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to get away from just trying to take

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the easy way out and almost play victim

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a little bit. And, I mean, that was

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an amazing

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very intimate, like, conversation. I had, like, very

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touching.

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Yeah. Which I think is huge because it

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whether it’s your dad or just a a

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friend, a mentor. I mean, I think sometimes

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you need to hear. You got you got

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people in your corner, and thinking about your

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success and and and believing in your success.

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Right? And I always say as a leader,

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sometimes we have to believe in somebody’s success

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more than they believe in themselves, don’t you

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think?

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Oh, a hundred percent. And

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just going back to kinda small circle of

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support, and it kinda just dawned on me.

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But that same season,

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we’re kinda getting towards the end of the

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year, and

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it was kinda in that same time frame

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where I had had that conversation with my

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dad. My coach is out with me and

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He’s like,

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no matter what you end up doing, like,

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we’re always gonna be

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close. I mean, this relationship we

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golf is

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business, but then outside of that, it’s friendship.

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And because all I want you to do

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is just kinda give it your Gilliland

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just make sure you get to the finish

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line before you make up your mind.

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And that was just like

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another one of those sparks. And, I mean,

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just kind of conversations like that got me

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through one of the, like, my down years

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and my career. And,

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I mean, I look back at them now

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and I’m like holy cows or,

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I mean, pivotal

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kind of turn, like, times or whatever you

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wanna call it in in my career.

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So very, very grateful for those

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conversations and

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So talk about the preparation. I think, again,

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let’s let’s take the golf course back to

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the board room here for work, for leaders,

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and, people listening to this, is

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your preparation.

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What what’s that light for you on off

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weeks Obviously, now you’re getting ready to go.

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You probably start what in Hawaii in January

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here in the next month.

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Yeah. And so what’s that preparation like in

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the next thirty days. Obviously, Brett the holidays

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in there. But what what’s that like for

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you?

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Yeah. So it’s been amazing.

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Just kinda have some downtime and focus on

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kind of the way we wanna go and

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structure this off season.

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The way my personality is is I’m kind

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of a leave, like, don’t leave any stone

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unturned.

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I mean, it goes from

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literally when I wake up in the morning

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to every meal that I put in my

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body to my workouts,

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to the ways I structure my practice. I

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mean, pretty much speaking just golf,

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I mean, I have

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fundamental practice,

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skill development practice, and then games. And I

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try to just separate them

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like, one third, one third, one third.

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I mean, so there’s a bunch. And what’s

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that like? So nothing to Brett, but so

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that day, so is that like an eight

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hour day? Is that twelve hours? Five for

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it? What is that?

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I mean, I’d say a normal day. I’d

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get up at 6AM,

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and

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Brett much from six to 06:30, I do

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all of my mindfulness stuff. I know we

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talked about it a little bit and it’s

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just pretty much a way like you were

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talking about those thoughts that come into your

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mind and some

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get bigger.

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It’s just a way to

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get rid of disruptive thoughts and just don’t

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give them any credit because technically they don’t

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really mean anything.

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So I do that and then I spend

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the morning with my daughter and my wife,

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and we always do coffee and an unbelievable

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Brett, and

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by that time, she’s about ready to go

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down for a nap, and I’m out of

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the golf course at about 10AM. And

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depending on who’s out there or

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if it’s just myself,

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kind of structures.

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What I’m gonna do for that day, I

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mean, I have kind of my non negotiables

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that I have to get done. Every day

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with golf swing, short game,

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putting,

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stuff like that. And then if there’s guys

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there, we’ll go play a game and then

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come

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Brett much pretty much

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You’re basically living every guy like me’s dream.

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Right, is you do you get permission every

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day to go practice your golf game and

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go play a game of golf with your

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buddies, but really it’s work. And there’s no

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air quotes in that. That legitimately is work

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and how you’re providing for your family.

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Yeah. It definitely is. And now I’ll get

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home around

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four, 04:30, and

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I have a gym here at the house

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and

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normally my wife works out with me at

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the same time. It’s when my daughter’s down

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for a second nap, and Yep.

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Gilliland,

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I mean, I’m

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I’m pretty much asleep on the couch every

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night at 08:15.

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Dang.

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Brett at nine. I’m asleep by nine. If

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it’s either on the couch, then I have

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to roll over into the bed or

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I’m in bed pretty early.

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Yeah. And another thing I heard too is,

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which I loved and I thought this was

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really an abundant thinking, which is important. Right?

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For anything, but is,

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what you do on the road Kevin for

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your eating. I mean, how important that is

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for you and kinda get detail with that

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if you want. But I think And they

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ask you, like, you know, that’s not cheap.

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Right? And it’s not like,

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you know, in in golf, which is what

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I love about and kinda don’t like about

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it is there’s no there’s not they’re not

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signing you an eighteen million dollar a year

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contract and hoping you hit, you know, you

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know, one eighty for the St. Louis cardinals.

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You gotta go out and earn Right? But

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you are investing your dollars,

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extra dollars into your food prep. So talk

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about that.

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Yeah. So the nutrition part

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kind of dawned on me. It would be

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my Brett shirt freshman year of college.

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And Oklahoma State, by the way.

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Yep. I got injured in college. I fractured

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my l five,

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and I was out for the spring semester,

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and I’m like, this sucks. And that’s when

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I got bitness and nutrition.

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And

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I pretty much told myself that I’m never

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under my control, I’m never gonna get hurt

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again. If it’s a

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small stabilizing

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injury that I could have avoided. Like, that’s

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not gonna happen in my book.

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And so I was just taking the deepest

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dive into it and found an amazing guy

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that I work with down in encinitas, California.

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His name is Robert Yang, very holistic.

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He has a very

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straightforward

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type of way of eating.

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And just to kind of give you a

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quick preview on that, I mean,

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pretty much is

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outline or overview of how he’d like you

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to eat is the easiest way to maintain

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blood sugar

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and it’s protein fat and fiber. So

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protein is coming from animal. He’s massive into

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high quality

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organically stores

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grass fed cows or pasture raised poultry stuff

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like that just because the amino in it.

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You can’t

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get the amino acids on

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a plant based diet versus this animal based.

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And I mean, I felt I felt amazing.

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And

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when I literally wake up

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on the dot, I have the most energy

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throughout the entire day,

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and

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I just had to find a way to

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have that same thing on the road.

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So we just started

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renting houses every week, and I just cook

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every meal just because I can control

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every single thing that goes into it. I

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mean, if you go to a restaurant, they

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would actually show you what was in

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whatever, in a steak and vegetables. I mean,

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there’s gonna be terrible oils they use with

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it. It’s probably gonna be some sort of

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corn syrup or sugar on a sauce that

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they put on. I mean, so I’m just

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taking out all those factors and I just

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feel amazing.

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Yeah. I mean, what a commitment. What so

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what do you do when you go to?

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I mean, obviously you gotta go to events

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and, you know, your sponsors, and you go

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to nice dinners and all those things. So,

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I mean, what do you do if you’re

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at a nice high end steakhouse?

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How do you order food?

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Yeah. I just go pretty much as plain

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as possible.

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I mean, I’ll just get

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a very

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basic steak. I mean, say if we’re going

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to a steak house, it would be just

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a very basic steak, no sauce or anything

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like that. And Just get sweet vegetables. And

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normally, sometimes they’ll have a big sweet potato

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or just white rice or just something kinda

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easy like that and just keep it very

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simple. I mean Okay. Like, I I don’t

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eat any dairy, gluten,

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refined, like, I don’t eat any refined sugar.

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I’ll eat Brett. But no added sugars or

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anything like that. And,

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fortunately, I think I got this gene where

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I don’t like the taste of any sort

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of alcohol.

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So I may have tried literally great bottles

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of wine, and

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high end tequila. It all just tastes like

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gasoline to me. It’s like, oh, it’s burns.

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Yeah.

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So no no bourbon for you. Yeah. No.

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For me. I mean, I just put in

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all of it completely. So That’s awesome. That’s

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awesome. Good for you.

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Talk about the, you know, growing up, I

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think it’s important.

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You you can’t you you and Ricky Fowler

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have a relationship. Right? Both from the same

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hometown.

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Oklahoma State University.

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Talk about that. And I know, you know,

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you probably kinda right behind you here. You

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can see what you can see this blue

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back around here. That’s Jackie Joiner, Kersey, one

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of the greatest females,

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athletes ever. And she’s from, you know, six

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miles up the road. And I know a

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lot of people that have come out of

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that town And they said, they were they

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saw somebody do it. Right? They saw Jackie

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Joiner, Kersey. And so what about Ricky Fowler

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for you?

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We came from a little bit of,

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small town golf mecca because even outside of

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Ricky,

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Champions tour player and PJ Tour winner Tom

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Pernice Junior. No. He was there. Yeah.

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They moved to California because Brooke, his youngest

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daughter,

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was blind, and there’s a really good acupuncturist

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in Southern California. So Tom moved from

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Kansas City up to Marietta. So when I

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was

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When I was growing up, I saw

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Tom when he was directly in the prime

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of his career on the PJ tour.

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And then I also saw Ricky when he

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was

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eighth grade, ninth grade, tenth grade when he

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was shooting these low sixty scores in these

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junior tournaments

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Gilliland amateur tournaments and everyone is just like

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like

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the next coming with Jesus. This dude. Yeah.

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And just we struck up a friendship and

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practice together every day and

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we play with Tom. So, I mean, that

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was pretty much we had one other, which

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were probably my brother, some of the other

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good juniors at the club. I mean, we

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had a competitive day,

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every single day we were together with

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a current PJ tour player,

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and then Ricky’s obviously well on his way

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to becoming a golf hall of famer.

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Yeah. And able to learn from people who

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are better than you.

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I think is

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massive, and that was the main that was

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the main reason why I picked Oklahoma State

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was

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I was gonna be a small fish

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in an extremely large pond.

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And I was there with Kevin Twain, Morgan

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Hoffman, Peter Ulyne,

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Taylor Gooch, Wyndham Clark,

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and we had to qualify every week. So

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I’m trying to figure out ways

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to beat these first team all Americans and

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if now

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US Open champion and live player of the

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year. And, I mean,

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so just kind of picking choosing from kinda

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each player and kinda molding your own and

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trying to figure out how to win is

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extremely valuable, I think, in my opinion.

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Well, I put you on the spot earlier,

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so I can’t do it, twice. But, man,

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imagine if you had to pick Wyndham Clark,

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winning the US Open

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or Taylor Guch winning, you know, Catrillion dollars

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in the live tour of the year. Right?

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That’s

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a that’s a hell of a year for

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two of your buddies.

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Yep. And then, I mean, obviously, Victor, with

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the,

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yeah,

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up and

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pretty cool. We walked into we had a

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tournament up at Oaktree National, little pro scratch

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in Edmund, Oklahoma about three weeks ago, and

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you walk into the pro shop and You

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got the FedEx cut trophy on one side.

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You got to live

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golf trophy on the other side because Victor

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and Taylor both play out at Oaktree National.

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So it was

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were they there?

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Victor was. Yeah. Taylor went out I’ll be

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there. Yeah. Yeah. Victor had a hell of

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a year, man. That’s awesome. So talk about,

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you know, walking in that locker room, man.

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So you’re you’re going in basically a month

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from now, you’re gonna walk in and and,

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you know, it’s pretty cool as the guy’s

00:19:56.000 –> 00:19:59.000

following golf, Tiger playing today and teeing it

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I think I I looked. He was plus

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three through seventeen when we’re right before we

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started recording. So he’s right there. He’s five

00:20:05.000 –> 00:20:07.000

or six back, I think, or seven back.

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But cool. See him back out there. But

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But walk through and I know you played

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in p g a two or events, so

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maybe it’ll be different for you now. But

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as a p g a two or pro,

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walking into there, into that locker room, man.

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What’s that gonna be like for you and,

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and how do you keep your game face

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on?

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Yeah.

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I mean, it’s almost since the season’s been

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over, it’s almost been a sense of relief

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just because

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I mean, this journey’s been so long and

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you never know if you’re ever if you’re

00:20:35.000 –> 00:20:36.000

ever gonna get there. I mean, you can

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do all the right stuff and

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It just sometimes it’s just not in the

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cards. And so I think kinda getting over

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the hump

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of

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getting that to her card has been a

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massive sensor relief and I’m gonna go in

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there and I’m gonna enjoy every

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single

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week and every tournament. And

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I’m just I’m really trying to

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tell myself and remind myself to enjoy it

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because I know it’s gonna the year is

00:21:05.000 –> 00:21:06.000

gonna go fast.

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I mean, nothing’s guaranteed. I mean,

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I could play one year. I could play

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twenty five years. Yeah. So I’m just gonna

00:21:15.000 –> 00:21:15.000

try to be as present as

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possible.

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I know that good golf is gonna take

00:21:20.000 –> 00:21:21.000

care of itself,

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and I don’t need to try and change

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my game to

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fit the PJ tour and try to

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be someone else’s game or anything like that.

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And I might genuinely know if I go

00:21:33.000 –> 00:21:35.000

and I play good golf, then gonna plan

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on that tour for a very, very long

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time. Love it. Because you gotta be in

00:21:39.000 –> 00:21:41.000

the, what, top 01:50 to keep the card?

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Top 01:25.

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That 01:25. Okay. Yeah. 01:26

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to 01:50

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is still pretty much like a full card.

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Okay.

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I’ll just get to play. Do you get

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to play in all the tournaments this year

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other than, like, say, the masters, things you

00:21:56.000 –> 00:21:58.000

gotta qualify for, but do you get to

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play in most of the tournaments?

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Most of them. And then they have they

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have including the four majors. They have those

00:22:06.000 –> 00:22:07.000

signature events that they’re calling.

00:22:08.000 –> 00:22:11.000

Where they’ve kinda created their own it’s like

00:22:11.000 –> 00:22:13.000

sixty or seventy man fields.

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No cut kind of deal. You can play

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your way into those throughout the season. Okay.

00:22:18.000 –> 00:22:21.000

And then obviously you can qualify for

00:22:21.000 –> 00:22:23.000

US Open Brett Gilliland

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stuff like that. So, I mean, I’ll probably

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if I had to guess

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low twenties and mid twenties of full season.

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Yeah. Awesome. So, I know these guys will

00:22:33.000 –> 00:22:35.000

be listening to this. So we’re gonna have

00:22:35.000 –> 00:22:36.000

a little fun, and we’re gonna talk about

00:22:36.000 –> 00:22:38.000

what the amateur golfer can do. So I

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I these are two brothers, Mikey and Timmy

00:22:40.000 –> 00:22:40.000

Rai.

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And, you know, I’m gonna just I’m gonna

00:22:43.000 –> 00:22:44.000

take a lot of their money this summer

00:22:44.000 –> 00:22:46.000

coming up here in two thousand twenty four.

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So what do I need to do as

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a guy? Listen to this right now or

00:22:49.000 –> 00:22:51.000

gal? Listen to this. It’s Gulf or what

00:22:51.000 –> 00:22:52.000

I need to do this season to be

00:22:52.000 –> 00:22:54.000

ready for Gilliland then, how do I get

00:22:54.000 –> 00:22:56.000

better throughout the year?

00:22:57.000 –> 00:22:58.000

So

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to be ready, I mean, you need to

00:23:02.000 –> 00:23:04.000

have a small list of just your daily

00:23:04.000 –> 00:23:06.000

fundamentals Gilliland those should not change.

00:23:08.000 –> 00:23:10.000

They shouldn’t change over the entire year.

00:23:11.000 –> 00:23:11.000

Because

00:23:12.000 –> 00:23:15.000

to stay working on them and

00:23:15.000 –> 00:23:17.000

one percent each day, you’ll just kinda get

00:23:17.000 –> 00:23:20.000

better, better, better. And then within a year,

00:23:20.000 –> 00:23:21.000

then you can kinda reevaluate.

00:23:22.000 –> 00:23:24.000

Yep. Next is And when those things, are

00:23:24.000 –> 00:23:26.000

you talking about, like, working on chipping, working

00:23:26.000 –> 00:23:27.000

on putting, or is this more of, exercise

00:23:28.000 –> 00:23:29.000

type of stuff. Because, obviously, it’s cold here.

00:23:29.000 –> 00:23:31.000

We can’t play that much golf.

00:23:31.000 –> 00:23:33.000

Yeah. I mean, you know,

00:23:33.000 –> 00:23:34.000

do some indoor stuff.

00:23:35.000 –> 00:23:36.000

Regarding golf.

00:23:36.000 –> 00:23:38.000

If there’s, like, a pattern you wanna change,

00:23:38.000 –> 00:23:40.000

if you’re too steep, too shallow,

00:23:41.000 –> 00:23:44.000

just kinda work on those. And then

00:23:44.000 –> 00:23:46.000

you gotta figure out because that’s only one

00:23:46.000 –> 00:23:48.000

third of the whole puzzle.

00:23:49.000 –> 00:23:51.000

I mean, the other one, you gotta know

00:23:51.000 –> 00:23:53.000

how to hit shots. So I mean,

00:23:54.000 –> 00:23:55.000

that’s why you’ll see

00:23:56.000 –> 00:23:58.000

some guys with terrible golf swings,

00:23:58.000 –> 00:24:01.000

beat guys with perfect golf swings, just because

00:24:01.000 –> 00:24:02.000

they know how to play the game of

00:24:02.000 –> 00:24:03.000

golf better.

00:24:04.000 –> 00:24:07.000

And, I mean, that’s just as important as

00:24:07.000 –> 00:24:10.000

having the perfect wrist angle or whatever the

00:24:10.000 –> 00:24:12.000

this fat is on

00:24:12.000 –> 00:24:15.000

social media. I mean, if you can sit

00:24:15.000 –> 00:24:16.000

up there and hit a draw against a

00:24:16.000 –> 00:24:18.000

left to right wing to a left pin

00:24:18.000 –> 00:24:20.000

and then the next hole hit a fade

00:24:20.000 –> 00:24:22.000

to a right pin with a right crosswind.

00:24:23.000 –> 00:24:25.000

That’s gonna pay dividends compared to

00:24:25.000 –> 00:24:27.000

video your swing and trying to have it

00:24:27.000 –> 00:24:28.000

look

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So how do you do that Kevin, like,

00:24:30.000 –> 00:24:32.000

right? So let’s say, I mean, to the

00:24:32.000 –> 00:24:34.000

to the ten handicap guy or the fifteen

00:24:34.000 –> 00:24:36.000

handicap guy that probably can’t do that,

00:24:37.000 –> 00:24:38.000

How do you recommend that? We just, obviously,

00:24:38.000 –> 00:24:40.000

gotta learn it, gotta watch videos, gotta get

00:24:40.000 –> 00:24:42.000

with somebody, learn it, and then just edit

00:24:42.000 –> 00:24:44.000

copy, edit paste five thousand times.

00:24:44.000 –> 00:24:45.000

Yeah. You just kinda gotta

00:24:46.000 –> 00:24:48.000

experiment a little bit. I mean, when you

00:24:48.000 –> 00:24:49.000

do have that time to go to the

00:24:49.000 –> 00:24:51.000

range, I mean, try to make it fun.

00:24:51.000 –> 00:24:52.000

I mean, don’t

00:24:52.000 –> 00:24:55.000

don’t hit seven iron twenty five times at

00:24:55.000 –> 00:24:55.000

the same

00:24:56.000 –> 00:24:57.000

at the same flag on the range. I

00:24:57.000 –> 00:25:00.000

mean, hit a cut six to it and

00:25:00.000 –> 00:25:02.000

then grab your eight and try to hook

00:25:02.000 –> 00:25:03.000

the eight out. I don’t care if it

00:25:03.000 –> 00:25:03.000

hooks

00:25:04.000 –> 00:25:06.000

fifty yards, but just try to figure out

00:25:06.000 –> 00:25:07.000

how to play golf and then go to

00:25:07.000 –> 00:25:10.000

a different flag. And, I mean, I would

00:25:10.000 –> 00:25:10.000

challenge

00:25:11.000 –> 00:25:12.000

anyone to

00:25:12.000 –> 00:25:15.000

not hit the same club twice to the

00:25:15.000 –> 00:25:15.000

same target

00:25:16.000 –> 00:25:18.000

during a practice session. And I bet I

00:25:18.000 –> 00:25:19.000

bet their golf would get so much better.

00:25:21.000 –> 00:25:23.000

I love that. That’s awesome. Then what do

00:25:23.000 –> 00:25:25.000

you got? What advice you got for me?

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It’d be a better putter.

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Better putter. Well,

00:25:28.000 –> 00:25:30.000

do you have bad speed?

00:25:30.000 –> 00:25:32.000

Or is it more No. I’m I’m good

00:25:32.000 –> 00:25:34.000

lagging wise. It’s just, you know, that eight

00:25:34.000 –> 00:25:36.000

foot putt, that that ten foot putt, I

00:25:36.000 –> 00:25:38.000

miss, you know, probably. Well, I problem is

00:25:38.000 –> 00:25:40.000

I probably think I may I should make

00:25:40.000 –> 00:25:41.000

every one of them. In reality, I’d probably

00:25:41.000 –> 00:25:43.000

make about thirty percent of them. Right? But

00:25:43.000 –> 00:25:45.000

I but it seems like that’s my game.

00:25:45.000 –> 00:25:47.000

And I’m solid from t to green, and

00:25:47.000 –> 00:25:48.000

then I, you know, I can’t hit Brad

00:25:48.000 –> 00:25:49.000

said I have a bar and when it

00:25:49.000 –> 00:25:51.000

I just I don’t read putts very well.

00:25:51.000 –> 00:25:52.000

Yeah. So,

00:25:52.000 –> 00:25:54.000

I mean, I have a daily,

00:25:55.000 –> 00:25:58.000

daily putting, green reading drill that I think

00:25:58.000 –> 00:26:01.000

is incredible, and it’s very simple. So all

00:26:01.000 –> 00:26:02.000

you need is two dimes

00:26:03.000 –> 00:26:05.000

and pretty much as Sharpie. So

00:26:06.000 –> 00:26:08.000

same thing. Random. We’re only gonna hit one

00:26:08.000 –> 00:26:10.000

putt from the same spot and

00:26:10.000 –> 00:26:12.000

for example, say you’re ten feet on the

00:26:12.000 –> 00:26:13.000

putting green. Yeah.

00:26:14.000 –> 00:26:16.000

All down. Just put a little black dot

00:26:16.000 –> 00:26:18.000

behind the hole to mark your spot.

00:26:18.000 –> 00:26:20.000

Get behind it. However, you need to read

00:26:20.000 –> 00:26:22.000

it. However, you do it on the course.

00:26:22.000 –> 00:26:24.000

Do that. Put the black dot behind the

00:26:24.000 –> 00:26:25.000

ball or behind the hole?

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Behind the ball. Okay. Yep. Just so after

00:26:29.000 –> 00:26:31.000

you hit your putt, you don’t lose your

00:26:31.000 –> 00:26:31.000

spot.

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Got it.

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So then, however, you need to read the

00:26:34.000 –> 00:26:36.000

green, read it, and then

00:26:36.000 –> 00:26:38.000

about halfway between

00:26:38.000 –> 00:26:40.000

you and the hold. Take your two dimes

00:26:40.000 –> 00:26:43.000

about a putter head width apart. And

00:26:44.000 –> 00:26:46.000

wherever you think the ball needs to roll,

00:26:47.000 –> 00:26:48.000

just put it right there in the center

00:26:48.000 –> 00:26:51.000

with the two dimes on the side and

00:26:51.000 –> 00:26:53.000

go back to your black dot and then

00:26:53.000 –> 00:26:55.000

if you roll it through the dimes with

00:26:55.000 –> 00:26:56.000

good speed,

00:26:57.000 –> 00:26:59.000

it should go in with a good read.

00:27:00.000 –> 00:27:02.000

So you roll it through the dimes and

00:27:02.000 –> 00:27:03.000

it misses, then you know

00:27:04.000 –> 00:27:05.000

that it’s a bad read. So now you’re

00:27:05.000 –> 00:27:07.000

constantly working on green reading. So if you

00:27:07.000 –> 00:27:08.000

were to do that,

00:27:09.000 –> 00:27:11.000

nine holes a day, nine different putts uphill

00:27:11.000 –> 00:27:14.000

right to left, downhill left to right,

00:27:14.000 –> 00:27:17.000

all different distances. I mean, it’s impossible not

00:27:17.000 –> 00:27:18.000

to get better at Green Reading.

00:27:19.000 –> 00:27:21.000

Maybe I just edit edit this part out

00:27:21.000 –> 00:27:23.000

and don’t let Nike and Timmy and all

00:27:23.000 –> 00:27:25.000

my buddies hear this. Is that Yeah. No.

00:27:25.000 –> 00:27:26.000

We’ll let it go. We’ll let it go.

00:27:27.000 –> 00:27:28.000

I think that’d be good.

00:27:28.000 –> 00:27:29.000

I mean, I

00:27:30.000 –> 00:27:32.000

I understand too. I mean, it’s tough for

00:27:32.000 –> 00:27:35.000

it’s tough for guys that are getting out

00:27:35.000 –> 00:27:37.000

of the house once or twice a week

00:27:37.000 –> 00:27:38.000

and Yeah.

00:27:38.000 –> 00:27:39.000

Go up.

00:27:39.000 –> 00:27:41.000

I mean, you show up thirty five, forty

00:27:41.000 –> 00:27:42.000

minutes.

00:27:42.000 –> 00:27:44.000

Grab a drink, hit some balls,

00:27:44.000 –> 00:27:46.000

hit five putts, and then go. I mean,

00:27:47.000 –> 00:27:49.000

yes. And sometimes just grab a drink, don’t

00:27:49.000 –> 00:27:51.000

hit balls, hold the put the phone down,

00:27:51.000 –> 00:27:53.000

tee off, grab the phone and walk, and

00:27:53.000 –> 00:27:54.000

you meet your buddies on the first screen.

00:27:54.000 –> 00:27:56.000

Yeah. You’re finishing a call or something. But,

00:27:56.000 –> 00:27:59.000

that’s awesome. Talk about I mean, you guys

00:27:59.000 –> 00:28:00.000

got one of my old buddies. One of

00:28:00.000 –> 00:28:02.000

my old college buddies is at your country

00:28:02.000 –> 00:28:03.000

club. Tony Romo.

00:28:03.000 –> 00:28:05.000

Little did I know that Tony Romo was

00:28:05.000 –> 00:28:08.000

gonna be the, you know, Dallas Cowboys quarter

00:28:08.000 –> 00:28:09.000

back and, you know, make, you know, hundreds

00:28:09.000 –> 00:28:11.000

of millions of dollars on CBS as a

00:28:11.000 –> 00:28:12.000

sportscaster,

00:28:12.000 –> 00:28:15.000

but played a lot of basketball with Tony

00:28:15.000 –> 00:28:17.000

in college. And, he probably could have been

00:28:17.000 –> 00:28:18.000

on our golf team.

00:28:18.000 –> 00:28:20.000

But he was not. And, because he was

00:28:20.000 –> 00:28:22.000

too busy playing football. So you got Tony

00:28:22.000 –> 00:28:24.000

Romo, Will’s Altorris, and the guys. That’s who

00:28:24.000 –> 00:28:26.000

you’re playing golf with and having games with.

00:28:26.000 –> 00:28:27.000

Right? Right.

00:28:27.000 –> 00:28:30.000

Yeah. I mean, fortunately, Meredith has an unbelievable

00:28:32.000 –> 00:28:33.000

membership. I mean,

00:28:34.000 –> 00:28:37.000

everyone from kinda all the big sports around

00:28:37.000 –> 00:28:39.000

Dallas is a member there.

00:28:39.000 –> 00:28:39.000

Pavelelski

00:28:40.000 –> 00:28:41.000

player,

00:28:43.000 –> 00:28:43.000

We got Ian Kinsler who played in the

00:28:43.000 –> 00:28:44.000

Mlb promo and there’s twenty pros Martin

00:28:49.000 –> 00:28:50.000

Flores

00:28:51.000 –> 00:28:53.000

Sabashia Munja as Taylor Moore, PJ Tour winner.

00:28:53.000 –> 00:28:55.000

Davis Riley winner.

00:28:57.000 –> 00:28:59.000

And we’re all pretty much on the same

00:28:59.000 –> 00:29:02.000

schedule. So it’s very, very easy to get

00:29:02.000 –> 00:29:03.000

a game, and

00:29:03.000 –> 00:29:05.000

that’s kind of the easiest way

00:29:06.000 –> 00:29:08.000

to recreate tournament fields

00:29:08.000 –> 00:29:11.000

when you’re playing Realmo with infinite money

00:29:12.000 –> 00:29:13.000

again. Exactly.

00:29:14.000 –> 00:29:16.000

And wanting strokes too. He’s wanting to pop

00:29:16.000 –> 00:29:18.000

on how many holes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. No.

00:29:18.000 –> 00:29:18.000

He definitely

00:29:19.000 –> 00:29:21.000

he definitely tries to win the bet on

00:29:21.000 –> 00:29:22.000

the first tee.

00:29:23.000 –> 00:29:25.000

I’m not good at negotiator. Are you? So

00:29:25.000 –> 00:29:27.000

I mean, if you and Will’s Al Torres

00:29:27.000 –> 00:29:28.000

are going out, this is another one I

00:29:28.000 –> 00:29:30.000

joke with some of my buddies about in

00:29:30.000 –> 00:29:32.000

this guy, Pete, we always joke. And I’m

00:29:32.000 –> 00:29:33.000

like, you know, if Tiger and Rory are

00:29:33.000 –> 00:29:35.000

going out playing golf. You really think they’re

00:29:35.000 –> 00:29:37.000

negotiating on the first tee who’s getting pops?

00:29:37.000 –> 00:29:39.000

I’m like, no. They go play Gilliland

00:29:39.000 –> 00:29:42.000

Brett man wins. Stop asking for stroke. You

00:29:42.000 –> 00:29:44.000

know? And so I assume that’s the way

00:29:44.000 –> 00:29:45.000

it is. Am I correct in saying that

00:29:45.000 –> 00:29:47.000

you and Will Zelle Torres don’t talk about

00:29:48.000 –> 00:29:49.000

pops in the first tee box?

00:29:50.000 –> 00:29:52.000

No. Absolutely not. Like,

00:29:52.000 –> 00:29:55.000

no. I wouldn’t ask. Thank you, Kevin.

00:29:56.000 –> 00:29:58.000

I wouldn’t ask Tiger. I wouldn’t ask whoever

00:29:58.000 –> 00:30:00.000

never Scott, I mean, Scott is out there

00:30:00.000 –> 00:30:01.000

a lot. Like, No. You

00:30:02.000 –> 00:30:04.000

when you’re in this professional golf

00:30:05.000 –> 00:30:07.000

era Or amateur golf, and you just wanna

00:30:07.000 –> 00:30:08.000

take it to your buddies. If you’re a

00:30:08.000 –> 00:30:10.000

three handicap, and I’m a one handicap, I

00:30:10.000 –> 00:30:12.000

should to give you two pops.

00:30:12.000 –> 00:30:13.000

I agree. Yeah.

00:30:15.000 –> 00:30:16.000

Thank you. From

00:30:17.000 –> 00:30:19.000

I would say from mini tours to

00:30:21.000 –> 00:30:24.000

Brett much if you’re playing every single major,

00:30:24.000 –> 00:30:26.000

every single year, you never ask for pops.

00:30:27.000 –> 00:30:28.000

Some guy that just came you’re signing up

00:30:28.000 –> 00:30:29.000

for professional golf.

00:30:30.000 –> 00:30:32.000

Like, if you’re asking for pops, like, you’re

00:30:32.000 –> 00:30:33.000

probably

00:30:34.000 –> 00:30:35.000

in the wrong industry.

00:30:37.000 –> 00:30:39.000

You gotta have you gotta have the faith

00:30:39.000 –> 00:30:40.000

that you can go out and you can

00:30:40.000 –> 00:30:42.000

just drum these guys. Yeah. I love that.

00:30:42.000 –> 00:30:44.000

It’s kinda like when I was in my,

00:30:44.000 –> 00:30:45.000

I think, mid twenties, and I was looking

00:30:45.000 –> 00:30:47.000

for a new car. I thought I was

00:30:47.000 –> 00:30:49.000

a successful hotshot. And I asked the car

00:30:49.000 –> 00:30:51.000

dealer guy. I said, what’s what’s the miles

00:30:51.000 –> 00:30:53.000

per gallon for this on gas on this

00:30:53.000 –> 00:30:55.000

escalator? The guy goes, I don’t know. He

00:30:55.000 –> 00:30:57.000

goes, the people that buy them don’t ask

00:30:57.000 –> 00:30:58.000

that. And I go,

00:30:58.000 –> 00:31:00.000

great idea. I’m out. See you later. Thanks

00:31:00.000 –> 00:31:03.000

for your help. You know? Don’t need pops.

00:31:03.000 –> 00:31:03.000

So

00:31:04.000 –> 00:31:06.000

Last few stuff, we’re gonna talk about, but

00:31:06.000 –> 00:31:08.000

a cool story, man, and I think about

00:31:08.000 –> 00:31:10.000

putting yourself in the right spot, Justin Timberlake,

00:31:12.000 –> 00:31:13.000

tell us that story. You talked about that

00:31:13.000 –> 00:31:16.000

last time when we recorded. And, tell me

00:31:16.000 –> 00:31:16.000

that story.

00:31:17.000 –> 00:31:20.000

Yeah. So just golf being such a small

00:31:20.000 –> 00:31:20.000

world.

00:31:21.000 –> 00:31:22.000

Grayson

00:31:22.000 –> 00:31:24.000

is one of my sponsorships

00:31:25.000 –> 00:31:26.000

for clothing and Great stuff, by the way.

00:31:28.000 –> 00:31:29.000

Unbelievable. Gilliland

00:31:29.000 –> 00:31:32.000

close with Morgan Hoffman and who started grayson

00:31:33.000 –> 00:31:35.000

after leaving Gilliland

00:31:35.000 –> 00:31:37.000

we just kinda went on a boys trip

00:31:37.000 –> 00:31:40.000

up to New York Morgan has his own

00:31:40.000 –> 00:31:41.000

single engine

00:31:41.000 –> 00:31:42.000

piper

00:31:42.000 –> 00:31:44.000

Mirage, so we kind of flew around the

00:31:44.000 –> 00:31:48.000

country and play all some, like, great golf

00:31:48.000 –> 00:31:50.000

spots and everything like that. And we stopped

00:31:50.000 –> 00:31:53.000

up in New York where Charlie Schaffer

00:31:53.000 –> 00:31:56.000

who’s also another big name in Grayson, designer

00:31:57.000 –> 00:31:59.000

from r l x that went to Grayson.

00:32:00.000 –> 00:32:02.000

So we’re gonna play golf with him and

00:32:02.000 –> 00:32:04.000

he kinda had the relationship with Justin,

00:32:05.000 –> 00:32:07.000

and we’re gonna play Liberty National.

00:32:08.000 –> 00:32:09.000

So we show up the next day. I

00:32:09.000 –> 00:32:11.000

mean, I’m just thinking it’s me Morgan and

00:32:11.000 –> 00:32:11.000

Charlie.

00:32:12.000 –> 00:32:15.000

And show up. And, yeah, the fourth was

00:32:15.000 –> 00:32:16.000

Justin Timberlake. Holy shit. Yeah.

00:32:17.000 –> 00:32:17.000

So

00:32:21.000 –> 00:32:23.000

were playing Gilliland

00:32:23.000 –> 00:32:24.000

he was amazing. He was a complete boy’s

00:32:24.000 –> 00:32:24.000

boy, having

00:32:25.000 –> 00:32:26.000

fun,

00:32:30.000 –> 00:32:32.000

shooting the shit, just kinda doing

00:32:33.000 –> 00:32:33.000

everything

00:32:35.000 –> 00:32:37.000

that you and your buddies would do. Yeah.

00:32:38.000 –> 00:32:39.000

That’s kind of the round was coming to

00:32:39.000 –> 00:32:41.000

an end. He was just saying, Hey, like,

00:32:41.000 –> 00:32:43.000

y’all everyone had come to a concert.

00:32:43.000 –> 00:32:44.000

Let me know.

00:32:45.000 –> 00:32:45.000

And

00:32:46.000 –> 00:32:48.000

to, like, gave us his phone number. I’m

00:32:48.000 –> 00:32:49.000

like, wow.

00:32:50.000 –> 00:32:52.000

Thinking, yeah, it’s probably his manager’s phone number

00:32:52.000 –> 00:32:53.000

or

00:32:53.000 –> 00:32:55.000

the person who deals with tickets or whatever.

00:32:55.000 –> 00:32:56.000

So

00:32:57.000 –> 00:32:59.000

probably three or four months go by.

00:33:00.000 –> 00:33:02.000

And I see that he’s playing

00:33:02.000 –> 00:33:04.000

right here in my backyard in Dallas.

00:33:05.000 –> 00:33:06.000

So my god, I’ll give it a shot.

00:33:07.000 –> 00:33:09.000

Text him. Hey, dude. I see that you’re

00:33:09.000 –> 00:33:11.000

playing in Dallas. Never been to a concert

00:33:12.000 –> 00:33:13.000

I’d love to come.

00:33:13.000 –> 00:33:14.000

I mean, within a minute,

00:33:15.000 –> 00:33:16.000

he responds.

00:33:16.000 –> 00:33:17.000

Hey, dude. Absolutely.

00:33:19.000 –> 00:33:21.000

We’ll get you set up, friends and family

00:33:21.000 –> 00:33:23.000

passes, all this. Damn.

00:33:24.000 –> 00:33:25.000

So that was amazing.

00:33:26.000 –> 00:33:29.000

And had an awesome time. Got to see

00:33:29.000 –> 00:33:30.000

him after the show.

00:33:30.000 –> 00:33:33.000

His wife was there. Gilliland my wife got

00:33:33.000 –> 00:33:36.000

to me, talked. And it’s just Amazing. Like,

00:33:36.000 –> 00:33:36.000

just completely

00:33:37.000 –> 00:33:38.000

normal

00:33:38.000 –> 00:33:40.000

down to earth couldn’t be better.

00:33:41.000 –> 00:33:43.000

Fast forward maybe three or four months. We

00:33:43.000 –> 00:33:46.000

had, some off time our corn ferry schedule,

00:33:46.000 –> 00:33:48.000

and I was out in Scottsdale,

00:33:48.000 –> 00:33:51.000

and kinda his tour was going right through

00:33:51.000 –> 00:33:53.000

there. And I’m like, I had a couple

00:33:53.000 –> 00:33:55.000

buddies with me as, hey, you guys wanna

00:33:55.000 –> 00:33:56.000

go to a concert? They said, yeah.

00:33:57.000 –> 00:33:57.000

So

00:33:57.000 –> 00:34:00.000

same thing. Like, hadn’t talked to him since

00:34:00.000 –> 00:34:02.000

maybe the day after he played here in

00:34:02.000 –> 00:34:04.000

Dallas just saying thanks for whatever. And,

00:34:04.000 –> 00:34:05.000

hey, I’m in Scottsdale.

00:34:06.000 –> 00:34:08.000

See that you’re playing. I’m here for

00:34:09.000 –> 00:34:11.000

cut like a week or so. Like, let’s

00:34:11.000 –> 00:34:13.000

get to you. Bam.

00:34:13.000 –> 00:34:13.000

Immediately.

00:34:14.000 –> 00:34:16.000

Got you stirring

00:34:17.000 –> 00:34:18.000

It was during,

00:34:19.000 –> 00:34:21.000

spring training. So that everyone was there.

00:34:22.000 –> 00:34:23.000

And, I mean, I’m

00:34:23.000 –> 00:34:26.000

sitting there watching JT perform next to Mike

00:34:26.000 –> 00:34:27.000

trout and Kershon.

00:34:29.000 –> 00:34:31.000

Yeah. I’m just like, what is going on?

00:34:31.000 –> 00:34:33.000

Like, I’m just keeping my cool act like

00:34:33.000 –> 00:34:33.000

this is normal.

00:34:34.000 –> 00:34:34.000

Yeah.

00:34:35.000 –> 00:34:38.000

So kinda same thing after, like, as the

00:34:38.000 –> 00:34:40.000

show starts to wind down, like, they kinda

00:34:40.000 –> 00:34:41.000

filter us just kinda into,

00:34:42.000 –> 00:34:44.000

like, a big, like, room

00:34:44.000 –> 00:34:47.000

kind of where he hangs out after and

00:34:48.000 –> 00:34:50.000

that’s when Aaron Rogers was there in Dayton

00:34:50.000 –> 00:34:52.000

Danick Apache at the time and John

00:34:54.000 –> 00:34:54.000

Malanger

00:34:55.000 –> 00:34:56.000

you know, I kinda go way back just

00:34:56.000 –> 00:34:59.000

because he played it for Jenny Country Club

00:34:59.000 –> 00:35:01.000

in Long Beach, and my grandfather lived there.

00:35:01.000 –> 00:35:04.000

So Matt has sparked up a little conversation

00:35:04.000 –> 00:35:05.000

with Aaron. Just say, hey, I think we

00:35:05.000 –> 00:35:08.000

have a mutual friend, John Malinger goes, oh,

00:35:08.000 –> 00:35:10.000

yeah, because they used to play a pro

00:35:10.000 –> 00:35:11.000

am together and

00:35:11.000 –> 00:35:13.000

So me and JT were just planning on

00:35:13.000 –> 00:35:16.000

playing golf the next day at Scottsdale National.

00:35:17.000 –> 00:35:18.000

Because I was with PXG at the time.

00:35:18.000 –> 00:35:19.000

That’s where he was staying.

00:35:20.000 –> 00:35:22.000

And he just invited Aaron.

00:35:23.000 –> 00:35:23.000

And

00:35:23.000 –> 00:35:24.000

so

00:35:24.000 –> 00:35:26.000

show up the next day and on the

00:35:26.000 –> 00:35:28.000

first tee, it’s myself.

00:35:29.000 –> 00:35:29.000

Justin,

00:35:29.000 –> 00:35:32.000

Aaron, and Justin’s manager.

00:35:32.000 –> 00:35:34.000

And I’m just, like, I’m just hanging out

00:35:34.000 –> 00:35:36.000

with who’s who and

00:35:36.000 –> 00:35:37.000

the best part.

00:35:38.000 –> 00:35:40.000

That I’ve been around

00:35:41.000 –> 00:35:44.000

guys of that stature that absolutely suck. And,

00:35:44.000 –> 00:35:45.000

like, I

00:35:45.000 –> 00:35:48.000

I’m like, whatever. Like, you’re not worth my

00:35:48.000 –> 00:35:49.000

time. And

00:35:49.000 –> 00:35:50.000

that can be,

00:35:51.000 –> 00:35:51.000

like,

00:35:52.000 –> 00:35:54.000

more truthful when I say Aaron and JT

00:35:54.000 –> 00:35:56.000

are just so down to earth

00:35:56.000 –> 00:36:00.000

genuine and just kinda actually care about, like,

00:36:00.000 –> 00:36:03.000

the people that are around. So That’s awesome.

00:36:03.000 –> 00:36:05.000

Well, looks like Aaron Rogers may be coming

00:36:05.000 –> 00:36:06.000

back, man. How cool would that be? I

00:36:06.000 –> 00:36:07.000

mean, after tearing your Achilles?

00:36:08.000 –> 00:36:11.000

It’s impressive. I mean, it’s inspiring

00:36:11.000 –> 00:36:12.000

kinda It is.

00:36:13.000 –> 00:36:15.000

Work that he’s doing and

00:36:15.000 –> 00:36:17.000

the power of the mind. And,

00:36:18.000 –> 00:36:20.000

I mean, it’s it’s wild. I hope I

00:36:20.000 –> 00:36:23.000

hope that he can come back and, I

00:36:23.000 –> 00:36:26.000

mean, somehow, have the Cinderella story and turn

00:36:27.000 –> 00:36:29.000

turn those jets around and Just something to

00:36:29.000 –> 00:36:30.000

be amazing.

00:36:30.000 –> 00:36:32.000

So last last topic here is you you

00:36:32.000 –> 00:36:33.000

said to power the mind and I was

00:36:33.000 –> 00:36:36.000

actually going to mindset. So, again, whether I’m

00:36:36.000 –> 00:36:38.000

on the golf course and I’m frustrated and

00:36:38.000 –> 00:36:40.000

and I’m work, I’m frustrated or a home

00:36:40.000 –> 00:36:41.000

you can be frustrated.

00:36:42.000 –> 00:36:43.000

What what are some of the the kind

00:36:43.000 –> 00:36:46.000

of the practices you do to stay mentally

00:36:46.000 –> 00:36:49.000

strong? Cause mental performance is Kevin no matter

00:36:49.000 –> 00:36:50.000

what area of life. Right? So so what

00:36:50.000 –> 00:36:52.000

do you do to stay mentally strong and

00:36:52.000 –> 00:36:55.000

maybe not get too high, too low, no

00:36:55.000 –> 00:36:56.000

matter what moment you’re in?

00:36:57.000 –> 00:37:00.000

Yeah. So one thing that I’ve learned from

00:37:00.000 –> 00:37:02.000

my mental coach is

00:37:03.000 –> 00:37:05.000

figuring out how to stay present. And

00:37:07.000 –> 00:37:09.000

I know it sounds pretty cliche, but

00:37:10.000 –> 00:37:11.000

when things start to

00:37:12.000 –> 00:37:14.000

speed up or go sideways, and

00:37:15.000 –> 00:37:17.000

our minds start racing or everything like that.

00:37:17.000 –> 00:37:17.000

So

00:37:18.000 –> 00:37:19.000

becoming mindful

00:37:20.000 –> 00:37:20.000

of

00:37:21.000 –> 00:37:23.000

those times, and then I literally asked myself

00:37:24.000 –> 00:37:26.000

Like, how do I know I’m breathing?

00:37:26.000 –> 00:37:28.000

Because if I know that I’m breathing, like,

00:37:28.000 –> 00:37:30.000

if I focus on, like, for me, like,

00:37:30.000 –> 00:37:32.000

I feel like the air going in my

00:37:32.000 –> 00:37:32.000

nostrils,

00:37:33.000 –> 00:37:34.000

and then I’ll,

00:37:34.000 –> 00:37:36.000

like, I am so dialed into

00:37:38.000 –> 00:37:39.000

this present moment.

00:37:40.000 –> 00:37:42.000

That everything else kinda

00:37:42.000 –> 00:37:44.000

the waves start to get smaller and smaller

00:37:44.000 –> 00:37:45.000

from, like, the outside of what I’m kinda

00:37:45.000 –> 00:37:46.000

going

00:37:48.000 –> 00:37:48.000

through.

00:37:48.000 –> 00:37:50.000

So if it’s from frustration

00:37:50.000 –> 00:37:52.000

or if I’m in contention,

00:37:52.000 –> 00:37:55.000

and I’ll do it multiple times around. I

00:37:55.000 –> 00:37:57.000

mean, multiple times a hole if I need

00:37:57.000 –> 00:37:59.000

to just walk into a shot, breathing, focusing.

00:38:00.000 –> 00:38:02.000

Yeah. Exactly. I mean, just stuff that you

00:38:02.000 –> 00:38:03.000

can control.

00:38:05.000 –> 00:38:07.000

So I’d say that would be one of

00:38:07.000 –> 00:38:08.000

them. And then

00:38:08.000 –> 00:38:09.000

just daily

00:38:09.000 –> 00:38:10.000

mindfulness practices.

00:38:11.000 –> 00:38:13.000

So, like, this morning, I wake up

00:38:14.000 –> 00:38:17.000

and I pretty much set my alarm for

00:38:17.000 –> 00:38:19.000

anywhere between five to seven minutes

00:38:19.000 –> 00:38:21.000

and close my eyes.

00:38:21.000 –> 00:38:24.000

And I literally try to see every thought

00:38:24.000 –> 00:38:24.000

that comes into my mind. And I don’t

00:38:24.000 –> 00:38:25.000

act upon it

00:38:30.000 –> 00:38:30.000

or

00:38:30.000 –> 00:38:33.000

judge it or anything like that just pretty

00:38:33.000 –> 00:38:35.000

much like waves in the ocean because that

00:38:35.000 –> 00:38:37.000

thought comes in and then it goes out

00:38:37.000 –> 00:38:39.000

and just not giving

00:38:39.000 –> 00:38:41.000

any And that’s starting to rub, but that’s,

00:38:41.000 –> 00:38:44.000

oh, my shoulder hurts. It’s okay. Don’t say

00:38:44.000 –> 00:38:46.000

anything. It’s, I gotta do this thing today.

00:38:46.000 –> 00:38:48.000

I gotta run this, Aaron. Gotta practice this

00:38:48.000 –> 00:38:50.000

way. I gotta this meeting later.

00:38:51.000 –> 00:38:52.000

Don’t think.

00:38:53.000 –> 00:38:55.000

Don’t judge. Brett it go. Yep.

00:38:56.000 –> 00:38:58.000

Yep. It just kinda gets you

00:38:59.000 –> 00:39:01.000

kinda gets you in like the being mode

00:39:01.000 –> 00:39:03.000

of mind rather than always trying to do

00:39:03.000 –> 00:39:04.000

something

00:39:05.000 –> 00:39:07.000

and trying to control this and trying to

00:39:07.000 –> 00:39:08.000

control that.

00:39:08.000 –> 00:39:11.000

Like, because if you tried control too much,

00:39:11.000 –> 00:39:11.000

then

00:39:12.000 –> 00:39:12.000

Yeah.

00:39:13.000 –> 00:39:14.000

Then you feel like

00:39:14.000 –> 00:39:17.000

you, like, are almost out of control. Like,

00:39:17.000 –> 00:39:17.000

this

00:39:17.000 –> 00:39:19.000

first time something falls off a shelf. I

00:39:19.000 –> 00:39:22.000

mean, you’re triggered. Or, so there’s definitely a

00:39:22.000 –> 00:39:23.000

balance between

00:39:24.000 –> 00:39:26.000

what you can’t control and what you cannot

00:39:26.000 –> 00:39:27.000

control. Yep.

00:39:27.000 –> 00:39:29.000

Yep. Solid. Solid being in the moment, man.

00:39:29.000 –> 00:39:31.000

It’s also I find myself

00:39:31.000 –> 00:39:33.000

you go out maybe you birdie one and

00:39:33.000 –> 00:39:35.000

three, and you’re like, alright, man. Two hundred.

00:39:35.000 –> 00:39:36.000

Man, if I do that. And it’s like

00:39:36.000 –> 00:39:38.000

you already start thinking about that, you know,

00:39:38.000 –> 00:39:40.000

for us guys, if I’m a go out

00:39:40.000 –> 00:39:41.000

and have a chance to shoot sixty eight.

00:39:41.000 –> 00:39:43.000

You know, I’m like, holy crap. You know,

00:39:43.000 –> 00:39:45.000

but then I’m like, I gotta stay present.

00:39:45.000 –> 00:39:47.000

The next swing matters. Don’t worry about where

00:39:47.000 –> 00:39:48.000

I’m at at the end of the round.

00:39:48.000 –> 00:39:49.000

And I try to do that. But as

00:39:49.000 –> 00:39:51.000

soon as and I’m getting better at it,

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but as soon as my mind starts going

00:39:52.000 –> 00:39:54.000

there, and it’s like, oh, crap. There’s a

00:39:54.000 –> 00:39:55.000

double bogey.

00:39:55.000 –> 00:39:57.000

You know, it just takes all focus away.

00:39:57.000 –> 00:40:00.000

It’s crazy. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that’s why

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literally learning how to be incredibly present is

00:40:04.000 –> 00:40:05.000

so powerful because

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I mean, what you did two holes ago

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is

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completely irrelevant to this shot.

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And then

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if you’re worrying about screwing it up, like

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you’ve

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already casted this

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pretty much this future that you think you

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should be in.

00:40:24.000 –> 00:40:28.000

Yeah. You know, rather than just staying present

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and just dealing and living with the outcome.

00:40:31.000 –> 00:40:31.000

Yep.

00:40:32.000 –> 00:40:33.000

I I keep saying last question, but I’m

00:40:33.000 –> 00:40:35.000

just curious if you got like you. I

00:40:35.000 –> 00:40:37.000

I just picked up a sixty degree wedge

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this past year. I’ve never done that. My

00:40:38.000 –> 00:40:41.000

whole career of playing golf. But what what

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wedges do you use?

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I use Voci.

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Okay. That’s what I use. Yeah. Voci. Sixty,

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fifty six,

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fifty two.

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And a fun little story actually about Voci

00:40:55.000 –> 00:40:56.000

is

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So Aaron Dill is the head

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pretty much Bob Vokey’s right hand man on

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tour.

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Okay.

00:41:07.000 –> 00:41:09.000

Take it back, I don’t know, twenty years.

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Kevin Dale was working at a local golf

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shop in my hometown, and he was my

00:41:14.000 –> 00:41:15.000

first

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golf coach.

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No way.

00:41:18.000 –> 00:41:20.000

Yeah. Now he’s building what I he’s building

00:41:20.000 –> 00:41:23.000

wedges for all these major champions and

00:41:23.000 –> 00:41:25.000

buddies of mine that obviously are out winning

00:41:25.000 –> 00:41:27.000

and stuff like that. And if Aaron gets

00:41:27.000 –> 00:41:28.000

brought up, my buddy, he’s my first golf

00:41:28.000 –> 00:41:31.000

coach and guys are just what, blown away.

00:41:31.000 –> 00:41:31.000

So

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golf such as, like, crazy, small. It’s small

00:41:35.000 –> 00:41:35.000

world.

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It’s my, thirteen year old’s pump, man, mom

00:41:38.000 –> 00:41:40.000

and dad got him a fifty two, a

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fifty six, and a sixty Vokey for Christmas

00:41:42.000 –> 00:41:44.000

this year. And he just, like, cannot wait

00:41:45.000 –> 00:41:47.000

to get those bad boys. So, man, I

00:41:47.000 –> 00:41:49.000

can keep talking, gawking all day long.

00:41:50.000 –> 00:41:51.000

But, man, you are gonna be, you’re gonna

00:41:51.000 –> 00:41:53.000

have a big fan. We’re gonna be watching

00:41:53.000 –> 00:41:54.000

you, man. We’re gonna be rooting you on,

00:41:54.000 –> 00:41:56.000

and, maybe I’ll come out and see you

00:41:56.000 –> 00:41:58.000

this on tour. But, hang with me while

00:41:58.000 –> 00:41:59.000

I turn this off, but thanks so much

00:41:59.000 –> 00:42:00.000

for being on the circumstance.

00:42:01.000 –> 00:42:03.000

Yeah. Thanks again. Glad we could do it.

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