The Fold is taking a short break over summer. We'll be back with new episodes soon, but until then here's one of our favourites from 2021.

While most press gallery journalists go to sleep and dream of politics, NZ Herald's Derek Cheng has another true love: climbing. Duncan first met him at a press gallery party, where he was barefoot, cooking up sausages on a barbecue, and since learning of the journalist’s intense passion for climbing, has been intrigued to find out more. In this episode Derek talks about his climbing, a serious injury that brought him back home to New Zealand and why Covid-19 was such a fascinating time to be in the beehive.

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