Today’s Daf Yomi pages, Chagigah 9 and 10, take to task one of the best-known bits of advice about whether, and how much, practice makes perfect. Stephanie Butnick joins us to talk about her days as an elite collegiate fencer, and what she learned about training to be the best. So, does doing something for 10,000 hours really make you great at it? Listen and find out.

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