Today’s Daf Yomi page, Moed Katan 7, asks the big question: How should we live life? Pursue our own pleasures, no matter what, or sacrifice for the sake of others? Michael Scott Alexander, the author of Making Peace with the Universe: Personal Crisis and Spiritual Healing, joins us to discuss spiritual practice as therapy, and why pleasure and joy are two completely different things. Which surprising bit of ancient wisdom inspired the author at a moment of profound personal breakdown? Listen and find out.

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