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What if everything we believe about changing political minds is wrong? The real work of transformation happens elsewhere.

What if everything we believe about changing minds is wrong? What if the foundation of democratic discourse — the belief that better arguments lead to better outcomes — is not just flawed but destructively naive?

Sarah Lubrano, with her PhD from Oxford and years of writing about the intersection of psychology and politics, brings devastating news: Decades of research reveal that political debates don’t change minds; they calcify them. 

Her book Don’t Talk About Politics reads like a clinical study of American democracy, dissecting why our most sacred ritual of reasoned argument has become democracy’s poison pill.

But Lubrano’s diagnosis goes far beyond the failure of debate. She reveals something more troubling: We’ve accidentally engineered a society that systematically prevents the kinds of human connections that actually do transform political thinking. 

Now that funding has been cut off by Congress, the future of NPR and individual public radio stations remains uncertain. Back in May, on myWhoWhatWhy podcast, I talked with Steve Oney, who has written what may be the definitive history of NPR, On Air: The Triumph and Tumult of NPR. Some of his conclusions may surprise you.

While Fox News and right-wing talk radio built empires of outrage, National Public Radio quietly revolutionized American broadcasting with a different model: nuance, narrative, and long-form journalism in a sea of hot takes. But has NPR’s time passed? NPR’s greatest enemy might be itself: The broadcaster’s “collectivist mentality” that prioritizes consensus over hard-hitting journalism has repeatedly hamstrung innovation.

While NPR has been broadcasting tote bags since 1971, can they survive a knife fight, their own risk aversion, and that they still think they’re college radio?

What if everything we believe about changing minds is wrong? What if the foundation of democratic discourse — the belief that better arguments lead to better outcomes — is not just flawed but destructively naive?

Sarah Lubrano, with her PhD from Oxford and years of writing about the intersection of psychology and politics, brings devastating news: Decades of research reveal that political debates don’t change minds; they calcify them.

In my recent WhoWhatWhy podcast Sarah gives an almost clinical study of American democracy, dissecting why our most sacred ritual of reasoned argument has become democracy’s poison pill.

On this California Sun podcast I talk with Christopher Beam, whose recent New York Times investigation, reveals how a group of brilliant minds from Google, NASA, and the rationalist movement in Berkeley became part of a murderous cult-like group known as the “Zizians.”

Unlike Charles Manson’s dropouts, these tech elites weaponized artificial intelligence fears and rational thinking into deadly extremism, which was enabled by California’s tolerance for radical ideas.

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That device you check 100 times a day? It exists because of the most consequential business partnership you've never heard of. Financial Times journalist Patrick McGee, author of Apple in China, talks to me about how Apple's quest for manufacturing perfection accidentally created China's technological superpower—while China's scale and ambition created the modern iPhone. Training 3 million workers, orchestrating billion-component supply chains, and reshaping entire economies, this is the untold story of how your iPhone changed the world, and what that means for America's future.

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Former Israeli Ambassador to the United States Michael Oren joins me on the WhoWhatWhy podcast to decode this historical inflection point. A historian, former Knesset member, and veteran of Israeli government service, Oren offers a unique perspective from someone who has spent his life at the intersection of scholarship and statecraft. Hours before Israel’s first strike, he published a prescient piece asking whether this was Israel’s “Dirty Harry moment” — the confrontation that would finally call Iran’s bluff.

University of Chicago economist Jens Ludwig challenges everything we think we know about gun violence.

His groundbreaking research reveals that most shootings aren't about bad people or poverty—they're "garden variety arguments" that escalate tragically within fleeting 10-minute windows. Drawing from rigorous street-level evidence, Ludwig's new book "Unforgiving Places" offers a revolutionary behavioral economics approach that reframes gun violence as solvable through targeted interventions, not endless political battles over gun control.

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Jennifer Pahlka, founder of Code for America and former Obama White House Deputy CTO, talks to me about why government fails in the digital age.

Drawing from her groundbreaking work creating the U.S. Digital Service, Pahlka exposes how rigid bureaucratic culture—not lack of money or technology—creates dysfunction. From unemployment systems requiring 17 years to master to 911 calls going unanswered, she demonstrates how accumulated policy complexity destroys state capacity. Her book "Recoding America" offers a roadmap for debugging democracy itself through user-centered design and policy simplification.

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$500 drones destroyed $100M Russian bombers.

Last month (it seems so long ago) Ukrainian forces achieved what seemed impossible: Commercial drones costing less than a smartphone successfully struck Russian strategic bombers worth $100 million each, deep inside enemy territory. This isn’t tactical innovation—it’s the emergence of warfare where David doesn’t just defeat Goliath, but renders him obsolete.

On this WhoWhatWhy podcast, I talk with David Shlapak, senior defense researcher at RAND Corporation, to examine how these miniature flying weapons are rewriting the rules of military power.

And while we’re already seeing the future of warfare unfold in the skies over Eastern Europe, an even more disruptive shift lies just ahead: the integration of artificial intelligence into autonomous weapons systems.

That convergence could redefine not only how wars are fought, but who — or what — does the fighting.

Former Israeli Ambassador to the United States Michael Oren joins me on the WhoWhatWhy podcast to decode this historical inflection point. A historian, former Knesset member, and veteran of Israeli government service, Oren offers a unique perspective from someone who has spent his life at the intersection of scholarship and statecraft. Hours before Israel’s first strike, he published a prescient piece asking whether this was Israel’s “Dirty Harry moment” — the confrontation that would finally call Iran’s bluff.