Our guests in this episode are Tania Davidge and Christine Philips who are based in Victoria. Tania and Christine have been involved in multiple campaigns highlighting when the public should be better engaged and recognised in developing the built environment. Tania and Christine share some stories about revealing the difficulties of navigating the city through the “Urban Tactility” program with Open House Melbourne, working with Indigenous communities designing for country with RMIT, and the importance of listening and action for underrepresented groups. This interview was conducted by Kimberley Hui who is an EmAGN representative based in Victoria.