What if we’re wrong about the sun? Current consensus in the astrophysics community suggests that our planet orbits a burning ball of gaseous plasma - but there’s compelling evidence that suggests the sun is actually made out of liquid metallic hydrogen. If this is true, it isn’t just that we have a new model of the sun. All of astrophysics, from the Big Bang to the nature of white dwarf stars and neutron stars - will have to be rewritten. For this conversation about the true nature of the sun, we bring together two titans of science and industry. First is Dr. Pierre Marie Robitaille, who is the former director of MRI Research at the Ohio State University, where he designed and tested the world’s first 8-Tesla MRI machine. Today, he is the champion of the liquid sun model of stars, which he presents in his formal scientific papers (https://vixra.org/author/pierre-marie_robitaille) and at his @skyscholar YouTube channel. Next is Jim Keller, a computer architect who has been a central player in the silicon revolution at DEC, AMD, Intel, Tesla, and Apple. Today, he is developing open-source hardware for artificial intelligence at Tenstorrent, as well as a fully automated semiconductor fabrication platform that will shorten chip production timelines to hours instead of months. Our conversation here closes a strange loop, set in motion by Keller coming across an early draft of Dr. Robitaille’s “Forty Lines of Evidence For Condensed Matter - The Sun on Trial” (https://vixra.org/pdf/1310.0110v1.pdf). In the next few weeks, a new loop opens - Keller is a major supporter of our Beyond the Big Bang meeting in Sesimbra, Portugal which promises to be a long weekend of busting paradigms in astrophysics and cosmology. Join us by becoming a Demysticon member: https://www.tickettailor.com/events/demysticon/1495433MAKE HISTORY WITH US THIS SUMMER:https://demystifysci.com/demysticon-2025PATREON https://www.patreon.com/c/demystifysciPARADIGM DRIFThttps://demystifysci.com/paradigm-drift-show00:00 Go!00:04:46 Why Rethink the Sun's Structure00:14:18 The Dark Universe Paradigm00:25:18 Mystery of Infinite Expansion00:37:24 Building a $100,000 satellite00:45:12 Temperature is really weird00:51:01 Modeling the sun01:02:38 Kirchoff's Law Controversy01:10:36 Emissivity and Astronomical Implications01:19:01 White Dwarfs and Redshift 01:30:06 Paradigm modeling machines01:37:51 Speculative Astronomy and Earth's Composition01:47:03 Star Formation Theories01:57:12 Electromagnetic Fields and Galactic Dynamics02:04:02 Understanding Electric and Magnetic Fields in Astronomy02:06:18 Formation and Evolution of Stars and Planets02:10:01 Evolution and Ejection of Planets02:12:43 Reevaluating Exoplanet Data02:21:53 Observations of Exoplanets and Planetary Discs02:24:17 Theories on the Origin of the Asteroid Belt02:27:00 Discussing Asteroids and Black Holes02:29:03 Errors in Scientific Understanding of Black Holes02:32:44 Science Progress and Institutional Dynamics02:36:01 Rethinking Traditional Scientific Methods02:40:08 Redistributing Scientific Resources02:50:53 Evolving Scientific Perspectives#cosmology, #astrophysics, #fusion, #spaceexploration, #aiscience, #blackholes, #solarscience, #quantumphysics, #engineering, #spacetechnology, #darkmatter, #futureofscience, #exoplanets, #sciencepodcast, #longformpodcast ABOUS US: Anastasia completed her PhD studying bioelectricity at Columbia University. When not talking to brilliant people or making movies, she spends her time painting, reading, and guiding backcountry excursions. Shilo also did his PhD at Columbia studying the elastic properties of molecular water. When he's not in the film studio, he's exploring sound in music. They are both freelance professors at various universities.