On today's episode, I connect with pastor and author, Zach Meerkreebs. In 2023, Zach was the guest speaker who preached the message that sparked a 16-day revival at Asbury's Campus in Wilmore, Kentucky. (Note: Asbury is where I lived and attended seminary!) Zach opens up about his experiences during the Asbury Revival, what's happened since, and takeaways for us and the Church. My favorite part of the conversation: through a series of ups and downs of his life, Zach shares how he learned the difference between humiliation and humility. And did he learn this in church or in seminary? No. He learned all of this while working at a donut shop. Don't miss this powerful conversation! Grab a copy of Zach's new book Lower. Thanks to our amazing partners on this episode: Vern Eide & First Interstate Bank Vern Eide Motorcars is a growing employee-owned company that offers sales, service, and financing of automotive, motorcycle, and power sports lines, including Acura, Ford, Chevy, GMC, Honda, Hyundai and Mitsubishi brands. Whether you live locally or across the country, visit verneide.com First Interstate Bank has a mission to help people and their money work better together. They do this by ensuring clients can manage their money conveniently wherever they are while also providing the friendly service. They have over 300 locations throughout 14 states! For more information and to find a location near you, visit firstinterstatebank.com Subscribe to The Conversation on YouTube and watch the full interview with Zach: youtube.com/@adamaweber Sign up for The Crew: adamweber.com/thecrew