Acclaimed rapper Saba and SUPERVSN creative director Gavin Mathieu join Chief and Malik for a reflective conversation in Los Angeles.

In this conversation, they discuss striking out as independent artists in their field, being ‘early’ on new talent and knowing who your true audience is. Gavin Mathieu also shares exclusive details about a new collection, and Malik reveals a story of when Doja Cat first came on his radar.

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