Welcome to episode 17 of Tearsheet's Banking Podcast (fka The Challengers Podcast). I'm your co-host, Zack Miller, Tearsheet's Editor in Chief. Joining me is Josh Liggett, investment team principal at OurCrowd.

In this episode, we'll discuss:

*Dave: The challenger bank significantly revised its revenue projections now that it's public. We'll explore unit economics, the pressures on fintechs once they go public and how some models are inherently hard to monetize

*BNPL as the new neobank: BNPL appears to be a foothold for firms like Klarna and Affirm to move into managing more and more of their users' payments

*Uptake of DeFi in TradFi: Josh shares some recent experiences at a conference to show that even the early adopters in the industry aren't quite there yet when it comes to using what they're building.

*Apple's buy of Credit Kudos: Josh and Zack discuss what may be Apple's end game with a new acquisition of a European open banking player<