Carl is an ITF Taekwon-Do instructor and competitor, in what you may have heard previous guests refer to as the "other ITF" as there are a number of ITF organisations. However, Carl is highly successful in his organisation having been European Champion in 2015, 2017, and 2019. Today I chat to Carl about the differences in the rules and scoring across the ITF groups, his own journey as a competitor and coach, restarting training after Covid-19 lockdowns and more.