On this crossover episode, Semafor’s Ben Smith and Vox Media’s and Business Insider’s Peter Kafka join me to discuss the quickly vanishing divide between institutional media brands and independent upstarts. This is the second part of three part conversation. To listen to part one, visit Semafor’s Mixed Signals. Part 3 is available on Vox’s Channels.

• Mixed Signals with Ben Smith and Max Tani - https://link.chtbl.com/SemaforMixedSignals
• Channels with Peter Kafka - https://pod.link/recodemedia