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Illiyin Morrison is a midwife by background and now well known on instagram as @mixing-up-motherhood and working as a birth debrief facilitator  https://mixingupmotherhood.com/

find her brilliant instagram page here https://www.instagram.com/mixing.up.motherhood

We got together to discuss Bessel van der Kolk's book "The Body Keeps the Score" as well as Illy's fabulous new book The Birth Debrief.

We talk about the lack of teaching about trauma informed care in medical and midwifery training, about the subjective nature of what trauma might be, why The Body Keeps the Score is a book for everyone and much more