Today we’re joined by lawyer and author Bryan Stevenson for a conversation about the historical Mother Emanuel AME church, and what it means to tell the story of American history through a single institution. 

Then Canadian journalist Paul Wells stops by for a look at the rise of The New York Times, and the lessons for news media writ large. 

And finally, Bookends host Mattea Roach chats with Jayme about Ukraine, the power of the novel, and some very endangered snails.

The books:

Mother Emanuel by Kevin Sack

The Times by Adam Nagourney

Endling by Maria Reva