Today's podcast is all about our outrageously talented host, Mike Slater, going over Trump 2.0's most recent efforts to combat illegal immigration with both carrots (rewards like cash) and sticks (punishments like being sent to prisons in El Salvador or Rwanda). Will either of these work? Is it smart to do both? Slater has some thoughts and you'll want to hear them!

Following the opener, Mike talks to listeners like YOU via a call-in segment about this thorny topic. Some great conversations are had in our beautiful public forum! Join us!