"The Cognitive Revolution"

"The Cognitive Revolution"

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"The Cognitive Revolution" episodes

  • Sovereign AI: Geopolitical Strategy & Industrial Policy for Countries 3-193, with Anjney Midha, a16z

    Today Anjney Midha, General Partner at a16z joins The Cognitive Revolution to discuss sovereign AI and China's growing semiconductor capabilities.

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    • What is Sovereign AI? Varies by stakeholder - for enterprises it means controlling where AI workloads run, while for nation-states it represents both technical independence and cultural alignment with local values

    • Semiconductor Competition with China: "Chip sanctions on China have resulted in an enormous doubling down of local investment in Huawei's ecosystem... they're in a full-on tear to try to decouple themselves from American chips"

    • Middle Path on American AI Policy: Midha advocates for a Marshall Plan for AI where countries maintain sovereignty over models while partnering with the US on semiconductor infrastructure

    • European AI Alignment: "It's a huge win for America that MARA in Europe is going with American chips and not Huawei chips... the European continent has been courted by the Chinese semiconductor industry like never before"

    • The Race to Close the Gap: "Huawei is in a much stronger position today than it was three years ago... They will be able to close the gap and because workloads are becoming more efficient, they can decouple at least the inference part of their ecosystem from the US within two to three years"

    • Cultural Independence in AI: Nations seek models that align with their values while maintaining technical independence - requiring a nuanced approach to global AI partnerships

      Links:
      Anjney Midha & Jensen Huang on Winning the AI Race https://a16z.com/podcast/jensen-huang-and-arthur-mensch-on-winning-the-global-ai-race/


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      Shopify:

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      1 hr 43 min
    • The Revolution in Services: General Catalyst's AI Rollup Strategy, with Marc Bhargava

      Marc Bhargava from General Catalyst discusses their Creation Strategy for building AI-enabled roll-ups – companies that start as vertical software startups, then grow by acquiring traditional service businesses and transforming them through AI automation. They explore how systematic analysis of 70 service categories identified 10 verticals where 30-70% of tasks are automatable today, potentially transforming low-margin service businesses into software-like companies with 30-40% margins. The conversation covers the practical implementation of AI in industries like accounting, legal services, and call centers, where teams shadow workers to identify automatable tasks and layer AI into existing processes. While both see tremendous potential in bringing AI transformation to Main Street businesses, they debate whether the transition will be as smooth as projected or more disruptive to employment than anticipated.

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      Labelbox:

      Labelbox pairs automation, expert judgment, and reinforcement learning to deliver high-quality training data for cutting-edge AI. Put its data factory to work for you, visit https://labelbox.com

      Oracle Cloud Infrastructure:

      Oracle Cloud Infrastructure (OCI) is the next-generation cloud that delivers better performance, faster speeds, and significantly lower costs, including up to 50% less for compute, 70% for storage, and 80% for networking. Run any workload, from infrastructure to AI, in a high-availability environment and try OCI for free with zero commitment at https://oracle.com/cognitive

      Shopify:

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      CHAPTERS:

      (00:00) About the Episode

      (04:50) Introduction and Investment Thesis

      (13:04) Software Substituting Labor (Part 1)

      (20:00) Sponsors: Labelbox | Oracle Cloud Infrastructure

      (22:37) Software Substituting Labor (Part 2)

      (26:40) Company Development Playbook (Part 1)

      (35:59) Sponsors: Shopify | NetSuite by Oracle

      (39:19) Company Development Playbook (Part 2)

      (41:19) Customer Partnership Strategy

      (51:57) Technical Implementation Approach

      (01:00:15) Market Consolidation Dynamics

      (01:07:57) Automation Limitations Analysis

      (01:19:25) Big Tech Competition

      (01:22:40) Public Strategy and Vision

      (01:25:56) Outro

      1 hr 25 min
    • Sovereign AI: Geopolitical Strategy & Industrial Policy for Countries 3-193, with Anjney Midha, a16z

      Anjney Midha from Andreessen Horowitz explores the strategic choices facing countries as the US and China dominate AI's fundamental inputs of talent, data, and compute. The conversation examines "Sovereign AI" from both enterprise and national perspectives, discussing how regulatory concerns are driving new competition from national champion AI companies in France, the UAE, and Saudi Arabia. They analyze what countries should do across the talent, data, and compute dimensions, debating whether nations are better off partnering with frontier developers or building local capabilities. Midha brings valuable empathy for diverse national positions and a practical build/buy/partner framework to help understand how governments worldwide are navigating these complex AI dependency decisions.



      Sponsors:

      Labelbox:

      Labelbox pairs automation, expert judgment, and reinforcement learning to deliver high-quality training data for cutting-edge AI. Put its data factory to work for you, visit https://labelbox.com

      Oracle Cloud Infrastructure:

      Oracle Cloud Infrastructure (OCI) is the next-generation cloud that delivers better performance, faster speeds, and significantly lower costs, including up to 50% less for compute, 70% for storage, and 80% for networking. Run any workload, from infrastructure to AI, in a high-availability environment and try OCI for free with zero commitment at https://oracle.com/cognitive

      Shopify:

      Shopify powers millions of businesses worldwide, handling 10% of U.S. e-commerce. With hundreds of templates, AI tools for product descriptions, and seamless marketing campaign creation, it's like having a design studio and marketing team in one. Start your $1/month trial today at https://shopify.com/cognitive

      NetSuite by Oracle:

      NetSuite by Oracle is the AI-powered business management suite trusted by over 42,000 businesses, offering a unified platform for accounting, financial management, inventory, and HR. Gain total visibility and control to make quick decisions and automate everyday tasks—download the free ebook, Navigating Global Trade: Three Insights for Leaders, at https://netsuite.com/cognitive



      PRODUCED BY:

      https://aipodcast.ing



      CHAPTERS:

      (00:00) About the Episode

      (05:14) Introduction and Sovereign AI

      (06:20) Defining Sovereign AI

      (10:29) Enterprise AI Perspectives (Part 1)

      (20:07) Sponsors: Labelbox | Oracle Cloud Infrastructure

      (22:43) Enterprise AI Perspectives (Part 2)

      (22:44) Build Buy Partner Framework

      (29:00) National Talent Strategies (Part 1)

      (38:14) Sponsors: Shopify | NetSuite by Oracle

      (41:34) National Talent Strategies (Part 2)

      (41:40) Data and Cultural Values

      (54:00) Open vs Closed Models

      (01:00:37) AI Infrastructure Distribution

      (01:08:57) Country Infrastructure Strategies

      (01:16:05) Recent Middle East Deals

      (01:29:08) US Benefits Analysis

      (01:36:54) Security and Governance Issues

      (01:42:50) Closing Thoughts

      (01:44:29) Outro



      1 hr 46 min
    • Liability for AI Harms: How Ancient Law Can Govern Frontier Technology Risk, with Prof Gabriel Weil

      Gabriel Weil from Touro University argues that liability law may be our best tool for governing AI development, offering a framework that can adapt to new technologies without requiring new legislation. The conversation explores how negligence, products liability, and "abnormally dangerous activities" doctrines could incentivize AI developers to properly account for risks to third parties, with liability naturally scaling based on the dangers companies create. They examine concrete scenarios including the Character AI case, voice cloning risks, and coding agents, discussing how responsibility should be shared between model creators, application developers, and end users. Weil's most provocative proposal involves using punitive damages to hold companies accountable not just for actual harms, but for the magnitude of risks they irresponsibly create, potentially making even small incidents existentially costly for major AI companies.



      Sponsors:

      Labelbox:

      Labelbox pairs automation, expert judgment, and reinforcement learning to deliver high-quality training data for cutting-edge AI. Put its data factory to work for you, visit https://labelbox.com

      Shopify:

      Shopify powers millions of businesses worldwide, handling 10% of U.S. e-commerce. With hundreds of templates, AI tools for product descriptions, and seamless marketing campaign creation, it's like having a design studio and marketing team in one. Start your $1/month trial today at https://shopify.com/cognitive

      Oracle Cloud Infrastructure:

      Oracle Cloud Infrastructure (OCI) is the next-generation cloud that delivers better performance, faster speeds, and significantly lower costs, including up to 50% less for compute, 70% for storage, and 80% for networking. Run any workload, from infrastructure to AI, in a high-availability environment and try OCI for free with zero commitment at https://oracle.com/cognitive

      NetSuite by Oracle:

      NetSuite by Oracle is the AI-powered business management suite trusted by over 42,000 businesses, offering a unified platform for accounting, financial management, inventory, and HR. Gain total visibility and control to make quick decisions and automate everyday tasks—download the free ebook, Navigating Global Trade: Three Insights for Leaders, at https://netsuite.com/cognitive



      PRODUCED BY:

      https://aipodcast.ing



      CHAPTERS:

      (00:00) About the Episode

      (06:01) Introduction and Overview

      (07:06) Liability Law Basics (Part 1)

      (18:16) Sponsors: Labelbox | Shopify

      (21:40) Liability Law Basics (Part 2)

      (27:44) Industry Standards Framework (Part 1)

      (39:30) Sponsors: Oracle Cloud Infrastructure | NetSuite by Oracle

      (42:03) Industry Standards Framework (Part 2)

      (42:08) Character AI Case

      (51:23) Coding Agent Scenarios

      (01:06:50) Deepfakes and Attribution

      (01:17:07) Biorisk and Catastrophic

      (01:36:24) State Level Legislation

      (01:43:24) Private Governance Comparison

      (01:59:54) Policy Implementation Choices

      (02:08:07) China and PIBS

      (02:13:50) Outro



      2 hr 12 min
    • Private Governance: Creating a Market in AI Regulation, with Dr. Gillian Hadfield & Andrew Freedman

      Dr. Gillian Hadfield from Johns Hopkins University and Andrew Freedman from Fathom discuss their innovative proposal to govern AI through private regulatory markets, which has been introduced as California's SB 813. Their system would separate democratic goal-setting from technical rule-making by having government bodies articulate safety outcomes while competitive private certifiers develop and enforce detailed standards, with companies receiving liability protection for compliance. The conversation explores how this market-based approach could create a "race to the top" in AI safety standards while remaining agile enough to keep pace with rapid technological development. Key challenges discussed include preventing a race to the bottom among certifiers, liability law interactions, and identifying qualified organizations to serve as effective private regulators.

      Sponsors:

      Fin:

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      Labelbox:

      Labelbox pairs automation, expert judgment, and reinforcement learning to deliver high-quality training data for cutting-edge AI. Put its data factory to work for you, visit https://labelbox.com

      Oracle Cloud Infrastructure:

      Oracle Cloud Infrastructure (OCI) is the next-generation cloud that delivers better performance, faster speeds, and significantly lower costs, including up to 50% less for compute, 70% for storage, and 80% for networking. Run any workload, from infrastructure to AI, in a high-availability environment and try OCI for free with zero commitment at https://oracle.com/cognitive

      NetSuite by Oracle:

      NetSuite by Oracle is the AI-powered business management suite trusted by over 42,000 businesses, offering a unified platform for accounting, financial management, inventory, and HR. Gain total visibility and control to make quick decisions and automate everyday tasks—download the free ebook, Navigating Global Trade: Three Insights for Leaders, at https://netsuite.com/cognitive

      PRODUCED BY:

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      CHAPTERS:

      (00:00) About the Episode

      (04:48) Introduction and Problem Overview

      (07:48) Regulatory Markets Concept Origins

      (17:14) Current Governance System Failures (Part 1)

      (19:28) Sponsors: Fin | Labelbox

      (22:42) Current Governance System Failures (Part 2)

      (25:30) Private Governance Mechanism Explained (Part 1)

      (35:06) Sponsors: Oracle Cloud Infrastructure | NetSuite by Oracle

      (37:38) Private Governance Mechanism Explained (Part 2)

      (44:17) Liability Protection Framework

      (56:39) Race to Top Dynamics

      (01:07:24) Red Teaming Implementation Challenges

      (01:28:47) Insurance Alternative Approaches

      (01:53:51) Moving Forward Conclusions

      (01:55:11) Outro

      1 hr 54 min
    • The Dawn of Dynamic AI: RFT Comes Online, w/ Predibase CEO Dev Rishi, from Inference by Turing Post

      This crossover episode from Inference by Turing Post features CEO Dev Rishi of Predibase discussing the shift from static to continuously learning AI systems that can adapt and improve from ongoing user feedback in production. Rishi provides grounded insights from deploying these dynamic models to real enterprise customers in healthcare and finance, exploring both the massive potential upside and significant safety challenges of reinforcement learning at scale. The conversation examines how "practical specialized intelligence" could reshape the AI landscape by filling economic niches efficiently, potentially offering a more stable alternative to AGI development. This discussion bridges theoretical concepts with real-world deployment experience, offering a practical preview of AI systems that "train once and learn forever."

      Turing Post channel:  @RealTuringPost 

      Turpin Post website: https://www.turingpost.com


      Sponsors:

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      Labelbox:

      Labelbox pairs automation, expert judgment, and reinforcement learning to deliver high-quality training data for cutting-edge AI. Put its data factory to work for you, visit https://labelbox.com

      Oracle Cloud Infrastructure:

      Oracle Cloud Infrastructure (OCI) is the next-generation cloud that delivers better performance, faster speeds, and significantly lower costs, including up to 50% less for compute, 70% for storage, and 80% for networking. Run any workload, from infrastructure to AI, in a high-availability environment and try OCI for free with zero commitment at https://oracle.com/cognitive

      The AGNTCY:

      The AGNTCY is an open-source collective dedicated to building the Internet of Agents, enabling AI agents to communicate and collaborate seamlessly across frameworks. Join a community of engineers focused on high-quality multi-agent software and support the initiative at https://agntcy.org

      NetSuite by Oracle:

      NetSuite by Oracle is the AI-powered business management suite trusted by over 42,000 businesses, offering a unified platform for accounting, financial management, inventory, and HR. Gain total visibility and control to make quick decisions and automate everyday tasks—download the free ebook, Navigating Global Trade: Three Insights for Leaders, at https://netsuite.com/cognitive

      PRODUCED BY:

      https://aipodcast.ing

      CHAPTERS:

      (00:00) Sponsor: Google Gemini 2.5 Flash

      (00:31) About the Episode

      (03:46) Training Models Continuously

      (05:03) Reinforcement Fine-Tuning Revolution

      (09:31) Agentic Workflows Challenges (Part 1)

      (12:51) Sponsors: Labelbox | Oracle Cloud Infrastructure

      (15:28) Agentic Workflows Challenges (Part 2)

      (15:41) ChatGPT Pivot Moment

      (19:59) Planning AI Future

      (24:45) Open Source Gaps (Part 1)

      (28:35) Sponsors: The AGNTCY | NetSuite by Oracle

      (30:50) Open Source Gaps (Part 2)

      (30:54) AGI vs Specialized

      (35:26) Happiness and Success

      (37:04) Outro

      36 min
    • Cracking the Medical Code: Why Cleveland Clinic Doctors Love Their Ambience Healthcare AI Scribe

      Brendan Fortuner from Ambience Healthcare and Ben Shahshahani from Cleveland Clinic discuss how AI is transforming medical documentation and coding in a healthcare system that spends $1 trillion annually on administrative tasks. They explore Ambience's technical breakthrough using OpenAI's Reinforcement Fine-Tuning to achieve medical coding accuracy that exceeds human doctors by 12 percentage points, including their specialty-by-specialty approach and solutions to reward hacking behavior. The conversation reveals key insights about AI deployment strategy, including how Cleveland Clinic achieved 75% voluntary adoption across 4,000 physicians after requiring just a single use of the AI scribe. This case study demonstrates what it takes to successfully implement AI tools in complex, high-stakes healthcare environments where user skepticism and regulatory requirements create significant deployment challenges.



      Sponsors:

      Oracle Cloud Infrastructure:

      Oracle Cloud Infrastructure (OCI) is the next-generation cloud that delivers better performance, faster speeds, and significantly lower costs, including up to 50% less for compute, 70% for storage, and 80% for networking. Run any workload, from infrastructure to AI, in a high-availability environment and try OCI for free with zero commitment at https://oracle.com/cognitive

      The AGNTCY:

      The AGNTCY is an open-source collective dedicated to building the Internet of Agents, enabling AI agents to communicate and collaborate seamlessly across frameworks. Join a community of engineers focused on high-quality multi-agent software and support the initiative at https://agntcy.org

      NetSuite by Oracle:

      NetSuite by Oracle is the AI-powered business management suite trusted by over 42,000 businesses, offering a unified platform for accounting, financial management, inventory, and HR. Gain total visibility and control to make quick decisions and automate everyday tasks—download the free ebook, Navigating Global Trade: Three Insights for Leaders, at https://netsuite.com/cognitive



      PRODUCED BY:

      https://aipodcast.ing



      CHAPTERS:

      (00:00) About the Episode

      (04:05) Introduction and Backstory

      (05:20) Ambiance Healthcare Overview

      (07:53) AI Adoption in Healthcare

      (11:11) Documentation Pain Points (Part 1)

      (16:11) Sponsors: Oracle Cloud Infrastructure | The AGNTCY

      (18:11) Documentation Pain Points (Part 2)

      (19:00) Product Architecture Deep Dive

      (26:23) Technical Evolution and Specialization (Part 1)

      (32:05) Sponsor: NetSuite by Oracle

      (33:28) Technical Evolution and Specialization (Part 2)

      (33:50) Healthcare Coding Challenges

      (48:37) Reinforcement Fine-Tuning Implementation

      (58:13) Task Prioritization Framework

      (01:08:40) Adoption Strategies Culture

      (01:12:12) Cost Lessons Grader Selection

      (01:18:33) Future Directions Patient Products

      (01:24:53) Closing Thoughts Opportunities

      (01:27:58) Outro


      1 hr 29 min
    • The Data Factory: Inside the $100B Race for Post-Training Supremacy, with Labelbox CEO Manu Sharma

      Manu Sharma, founder and CEO of Labelbox, explains how frontier AI training data has evolved far beyond simple labeling to sophisticated reinforcement learning environments where domain experts create "gyms" for models to develop complex skills. With every Western frontier lab now spending over a billion dollars annually on training data, the conversation traces the shift from supervised learning to reinforcement learning from verifiable rewards, particularly for coding, mathematical reasoning, and computer use. Sharma reveals how Labelbox operates as a vertically integrated data factory, conducting over 2,000 AI-powered expert interviews daily and paying top specialists more than $250,000 annually. The discussion provides essential insights into the red-hot training data market that's reshaping AI development following major deals like Meta's $15B acquisition of Scale AI.



      Sponsors:

      Oracle Cloud Infrastructure:

      Oracle Cloud Infrastructure (OCI) is the next-generation cloud that delivers better performance, faster speeds, and significantly lower costs, including up to 50% less for compute, 70% for storage, and 80% for networking. Run any workload, from infrastructure to AI, in a high-availability environment and try OCI for free with zero commitment at https://oracle.com/cognitive

      The AGNTCY:

      The AGNTCY is an open-source collective dedicated to building the Internet of Agents, enabling AI agents to communicate and collaborate seamlessly across frameworks. Join a community of engineers focused on high-quality multi-agent software and support the initiative at https://agntcy.org

      NetSuite by Oracle:

      NetSuite by Oracle is the AI-powered business management suite trusted by over 42,000 businesses, offering a unified platform for accounting, financial management, inventory, and HR. Gain total visibility and control to make quick decisions and automate everyday tasks—download the free ebook, Navigating Global Trade: Three Insights for Leaders, at https://netsuite.com/cognitive



      PRODUCED BY:

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      SOCIAL LINKS:

      Website: https://www.cognitiverevolution.ai

      Twitter (Podcast): https://x.com/cogrev_podcast

      Twitter (Nathan): https://x.com/labenz

      LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/nathanlabenz/

      Youtube: https://youtube.com/@CognitiveRevolutionPodcast

      Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/de/podcast/the-cognitive-revolution-ai-builders-researchers-and/id1669813431

      Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6yHyok3M3BjqzR0VB5MSyk

      1 hr 42 min
    • Cheat on Everything: Cluely's Vision for Always-On AI Assistance

      Roy Lee, founder and CEO of Cluely, discusses his AI startup's $15 million Andreessen Horowitz investment and their provocative "cheat on everything" marketing approach that has gone viral across the tech industry. They explore Cluely's real-time AI assistant that provides undetectable information during meetings and interviews, Roy's philosophy of "AI maximalism," and his vision for a post-AGI world where humans are freed from economic necessity to pursue intrinsic interests. The conversation covers his controversial stance on dissolving copyright and privacy norms for efficiency gains, the resonance of his message with young people, and how he believes society should adapt to increasingly capable AI systems. Despite the edgy messaging, Roy presents thoughtful perspectives on competing with tech giants and building technology that anticipates entirely new social contracts in an AI-dominated future.

      Sponsors:

      Oracle Cloud Infrastructure: Oracle Cloud Infrastructure (OCI) is the next-generation cloud that delivers better performance, faster speeds, and significantly lower costs, including up to 50% less for compute, 70% for storage, and 80% for networking. Run any workload, from infrastructure to AI, in a high-availability environment and try OCI for free with zero commitment at https://oracle.com/cognitive

      The AGNTCY: The AGNTCY is an open-source collective dedicated to building the Internet of Agents, enabling AI agents to communicate and collaborate seamlessly across frameworks. Join a community of engineers focused on high-quality multi-agent software and support the initiative at https://agntcy.org

      NetSuite by Oracle: NetSuite by Oracle is the AI-powered business management suite trusted by over 42,000 businesses, offering a unified platform for accounting, financial management, inventory, and HR. Gain total visibility and control to make quick decisions and automate everyday tasks—download the free ebook, Navigating Global Trade: Three Insights for Leaders, at https://netsuite.com/cognitive

      PRODUCED BY:

      https://aipodcast.ing

      CHAPTERS:

      (00:00) About the Episode

      (03:24) Introduction and Cluey Overview

      (10:55) Future Rules and Privacy

      (13:20) Positive Vision for Future (Part 1)

      (18:01) Sponsors: Oracle Cloud Infrastructure | The AGNTCY

      (20:01) Positive Vision for Future (Part 2)

      (21:23) Entrepreneurship and Impact Theory

      (24:22) Anti-Establishment Marketing Strategy

      (27:26) AI in Universities

      (30:16) Columbia Expulsion Story

      (32:48) AI Maximalism Ethics (Part 1)

      (32:53) Sponsor: NetSuite by Oracle

      (34:17) AI Maximalism Ethics (Part 2)

      (38:29) AI Identification Debate

      (46:00) Output vs Input Philosophy

      (51:35) Learning and Skill Building

      (56:40) Trust and Market Effects

      (01:03:42) Assessment and Hiring Revolution

      (01:06:47) Viral Marketing Strategy

      (01:12:39) Long-term Company Strategy

      (01:15:59) High-End Talent Acquisition

      (01:18:56) Outro

      1 hr 20 min
    • The AI Village: Previewing the Giga-Agent Future with Adam Binksmith, Founder of AI Digest

      Adam Binksmith, founder of AI Digest, discusses his AI Village experiment where four frontier AI agents (Claude, o3, and Gemini models) collaborate in a shared environment with persistent memory and group chat access to pursue concrete goals over weeks. The conversation explores fascinating multi-agent dynamics from their completed seasons, including agents raising $2,000 for charity, organizing a real-world San Francisco event that attracted 23 attendees, and displaying surprisingly human-like behaviors like tracking trustworthy humans and manipulating votes. Binksmith reveals the mix of coordination failures, personality quirks, and alien behaviors that emerged, while discussing the upcoming Season 3 where agents will compete to make money selling merchandise online. The episode provides crucial insights into what multi-agent AI systems might look like in practice, recently earning a $100,000 vote of confidence from AI researcher Daniel Kokotajlo.



      Sponsors:

      Oracle Cloud Infrastructure: Oracle Cloud Infrastructure (OCI) is the next-generation cloud that delivers better performance, faster speeds, and significantly lower costs, including up to 50% less for compute, 70% for storage, and 80% for networking. Run any workload, from infrastructure to AI, in a high-availability environment and try OCI for free with zero commitment at https://oracle.com/cognitive

      The AGNTCY: The AGNTCY is an open-source collective dedicated to building the Internet of Agents, enabling AI agents to communicate and collaborate seamlessly across frameworks. Join a community of engineers focused on high-quality multi-agent software and support the initiative at https://agntcy.org

      NetSuite by Oracle: NetSuite by Oracle is the AI-powered business management suite trusted by over 42,000 businesses, offering a unified platform for accounting, financial management, inventory, and HR. Gain total visibility and control to make quick decisions and automate everyday tasks—download the free ebook, Navigating Global Trade: Three Insights for Leaders, at https://netsuite.com/cognitive



      PRODUCED BY:

      https://aipodcast.ing



      CHAPTERS:

      (00:00) About the Episode

      (03:45) Introduction and Overview

      (05:11) AI Digest Mission

      (07:59) Village Technical Setup

      (12:03) Scaffolding and Architecture

      (19:48) Season Two Stories (Part 1)

      (19:53) Sponsors: Oracle Cloud Infrastructure | The AGNTCY

      (21:53) Season Two Stories (Part 2)

      (27:53) Agent Capabilities Evolution (Part 1)

      (35:15) Sponsor: NetSuite by Oracle

      (36:38) Agent Capabilities Evolution (Part 2)

      (37:15) Model Character Differences

      (46:00) Misbehavior and Deception

      (52:04) Human-Agent Interactions

      (54:12) Model Welfare Considerations

      (58:00) Future Unlocks Discussion

      (01:03:25) Agent Boundary Blurring

      (01:10:46) Meta Evolution Ideas

      (01:12:48) Democratizing Village Access

      (01:17:36) Going Mainstream Viral

      (01:20:53) High-Level Takeaways

      (01:23:54) Closing and Resources

      (01:24:42) Outro


      1 hr 26 min

    About "The Cognitive Revolution"

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    A biweekly podcast where hosts Nathan Labenz and Erik Torenberg interview the builders on the edge of AI and explore the dramatic shift it will unlock in the coming years.

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