"The Cognitive Revolution"

"The Cognitive Revolution"

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"The Cognitive Revolution" episodes

  • Infinite Code Context: AI Coding at Enterprise Scale w/ Blitzy CEO Brian Elliott & CTO Sid Pardeshi

    Blitzy founders Brian and Sid break down how their “infinite code context” system lets AI autonomously complete over 80% of major enterprise software projects in days. They dive into their dynamic agent architecture, how they choose and cross-check different models, and why they prioritize advances in AI memory over fine-tuning. The conversation also covers their 20¢/line pricing model, the path to 99%+ autonomous project completion, and what this all means for the future software engineering job market.

    Sponsors:

    Blitzy:

    Blitzy is the autonomous code generation platform that ingests millions of lines of code to accelerate enterprise software development by up to 5x with premium, spec-driven output. Schedule a strategy session with their AI solutions consultants at https://blitzy.com

    Tasklet:

    Tasklet is an AI agent that automates your work 24/7; just describe what you want in plain English and it gets the job done. Try it for free and use code COGREV for 50% off your first month at https://tasklet.ai

    Serval:

    Serval uses AI-powered automations to cut IT help desk tickets by more than 50%, freeing your team from repetitive tasks like password resets and onboarding. Book your free pilot and guarantee 50% help desk automation by week four at https://serval.com/cognitive

    Claude

    Claude is the AI collaborator that understands your entire workflow, from drafting and research to coding and complex problem-solving. Start tackling bigger problems with Claude and unlock Claude Pro’s full capabilities at ⁠⁠https://claude.ai/tcr⁠

    CHAPTERS:

    (00:00) About the Episode

    (03:02) AGI effects without AGI

    (07:07) Domain-specific context engineering

    (16:54) Dynamic harness and evals (Part 1)

    (17:00) Sponsors: Blitzy | Tasklet

    (20:00) Dynamic harness and evals (Part 2)

    (30:42) Graphs, RAG, and memory (Part 1)

    (30:49) Sponsor: Serval

    (32:26) Graphs, RAG, and memory (Part 2)

    (41:17) Model zoo and memory

    (50:07) Planning, scaling, and parallelism

    (56:13) Pricing, onboarding, and autonomy

    (01:04:24) Closing the last 20%

    (01:12:34) Strange behaviors and judges

    (01:22:23) Reasoning budgets and autonomy

    (01:33:36) Fine-tuning, benchmarks, and training

    (01:42:31) Securing AI-generated code

    (01:49:52) Future of software work

    (01:57:05) Outro

    PRODUCED BY:

    https://aipodcast.ing

    SOCIAL LINKS:

    Website: https://www.cognitiverevolution.ai

    Twitter (Podcast): https://x.com/cogrev_podcast

    Twitter (Nathan): https://x.com/labenz

    LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/nathanlabenz/

    Youtube: https://youtube.com/@CognitiveRevolutionPodcast

    Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/de/podcast/the-cognitive-revolution-ai-builders-researchers-and/id1669813431

    Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6yHyok3M3BjqzR0VB5MSyk

    1 hr 57 min
  • The AI-Powered Biohub: Why Mark Zuckerberg & Priscilla Chan are Investing in Data, from Latent.Space

    This crossover episode from the Latent Space podcast features Mark Zuckerberg and Priscilla Chan on the 10-year anniversary of the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative and their expanded Biohub vision. They discuss how a “Frontier Biology Lab” working in sync with a “Frontier AI Lab” could enable breakthroughs like a Virtual Cell and true N-of-1 precision medicine. The conversation covers the acquisition of Evolutionary Scale and ESM3, new biological data collection at scale, and how AI-powered biology might transform drug discovery and disease prevention.

    Sponsors:

    Blitzy:

    Blitzy is the autonomous code generation platform that ingests millions of lines of code to accelerate enterprise software development by up to 5x with premium, spec-driven output. Schedule a strategy session with their AI solutions consultants at https://blitzy.com

    Framer:

    Framer is an enterprise-grade website builder that lets business teams design, launch, and optimize their.com with AI-powered wireframing, real-time collaboration, and built-in analytics. Start building for free and get 30% off a Framer Pro annual plan at https://framer.com/cognitive

    Serval:

    Serval uses AI-powered automations to cut IT help desk tickets by more than 50%, freeing your team from repetitive tasks like password resets and onboarding. Book your free pilot and guarantee 50% help desk automation by week four at https://serval.com/cognitive

    Tasklet:

    Tasklet is an AI agent that automates your work 24/7; just describe what you want in plain English and it gets the job done. Try it for free and use code COGREV for 50% off your first month at https://tasklet.ai

    Claude

    Claude is the AI collaborator that understands your entire workflow, from drafting and research to coding and complex problem-solving. Start tackling bigger problems with Claude and unlock Claude Pro’s full capabilities at ⁠⁠https://claude.ai/tcr⁠

    CHAPTERS:

    (00:00) About the Episode

    (04:27) CZI origins and focus

    (08:29) Why tools over cures

    (14:43) Virtual cells and imaging (Part 1)

    (20:19) Sponsors: Blitzy | Framer

    (23:24) Virtual cells and imaging (Part 2)

    (25:22) Data diversity and grounding

    (32:30) Evaluating models and Biohub (Part 1)

    (37:53) Sponsors: Serval | Tasklet

    (40:42) Evaluating models and Biohub (Part 2)

    (41:06) Future healthcare and aging

    (53:39) Modeling scales and immunity

    (58:53) Timelines, data, and collaboration

    (01:04:01) Outro

    PRODUCED BY:

    https://aipodcast.ing

    SOCIAL LINKS:

    Website: https://www.cognitiverevolution.ai

    Twitter (Podcast): https://x.com/cogrev_podcast

    Twitter (Nathan): https://x.com/labenz

    LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/nathanlabenz/

    Youtube: https://youtube.com/@CognitiveRevolutionPodcast

    Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/de/podcast/the-cognitive-revolution-ai-builders-researchers-and/id1669813431

    Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6yHyok3M3BjqzR0VB5MSyk

    1 hr 3 min
  • AI & The Law: Changing Practice, Claude Constitution, & New Rights, w/ Kevin & Alan of Scaling Laws

    Kevin Frazier and Alan Rozenshtein explore how AI is reshaping the legal profession, from “secret cyborg” lawyers using tools like Harvey to the uncertain future of junior associates and access to legal services. They discuss maximalist legal services, AI-written “complete contingent contracts,” and where AI should fall between strict formalism and legal realism, including Claude’s virtue-ethics-inspired constitution. The conversation then turns to AI’s role in legislation and governance, including outcome-oriented law, the “Unitary Artificial Executive,” and new rights like the Right to Compute and the Right to Share personal data. They close by examining limits on government surveillance and how future debates over AI sentience and welfare could spark social conflict.

    LINKS:

    • Article on automated AI compliance
    • GDPVal dataset lawyers tasks viewer
    • Polis online deliberation platform
    • Sponsors:

      Blitzy:

      Blitzy is the autonomous code generation platform that ingests millions of lines of code to accelerate enterprise software development by up to 5x with premium, spec-driven output. Schedule a strategy session with their AI solutions consultants at https://blitzy.com

      Framer:

      Framer is an enterprise-grade website builder that lets business teams design, launch, and optimize their.com with AI-powered wireframing, real-time collaboration, and built-in analytics. Start building for free and get 30% off a Framer Pro annual plan at https://framer.com/cognitive

      Serval:

      Serval uses AI-powered automations to cut IT help desk tickets by more than 50%, freeing your team from repetitive tasks like password resets and onboarding. Book your free pilot and guarantee 50% help desk automation by week four at https://serval.com/cognitive

      Tasklet:

      Tasklet is an AI agent that automates your work 24/7; just describe what you want in plain English and it gets the job done. Try it for free and use code COGREV for 50% off your first month at https://tasklet.ai

      Claude

      Claude is the AI collaborator that understands your entire workflow, from drafting and research to coding and complex problem-solving. Start tackling bigger problems with Claude and unlock Claude Pro’s full capabilities at ⁠⁠https://claude.ai/tcr⁠

      CHAPTERS:

      (00:00) About the Episode

      (03:35) Surveying AI-law landscape

      (14:56) Legal deserts and demand (Part 1)

      (15:02) Sponsors: Blitzy | Framer

      (18:06) Legal deserts and demand (Part 2) (Part 1)

      (28:25) Sponsors: Serval | Tasklet

      (31:14) Legal deserts and demand (Part 2) (Part 2)

      (31:14) AI and legal careers

      (45:10) AI counsel and self-representation

      (59:50) Maximalist law and outcomes

      (01:12:30) Rules, principles, and Claude

      (01:25:26) New rights and restraints

      (01:38:26) Outro

      PRODUCED BY:

      https://aipodcast.ing

      1 hr 37 min
    • The Internet Computer: Caffeine.ai CEO Dominic Williams on Unstoppable, Self-Writing Software

      Dominic Williams, President & Chief Scientist of the DFINITY Foundation and CEO of Caffeine AI, explains the Internet Computer and his vision of a “sovereign cloud where AI builds the web.” He breaks down core innovations like the Network Nervous System, Motoko, and orthogonal persistence, and how AI coding could remove adoption barriers. The conversation explores unstoppable applications, real-world case studies like OpenChat, and the tension between control, security, and decentralization in AI governance.

      LINKS:

      • Anthropic article on smart contracts
      • Caffeine AI official website
      • Internet Computer network dashboard
      • Liquid Reign book website
      • Sponsors:

        Blitzy:

        Blitzy is the autonomous code generation platform that ingests millions of lines of code to accelerate enterprise software development by up to 5x with premium, spec-driven output. Schedule a strategy session with their AI solutions consultants at https://blitzy.com

        MongoDB:

        Tired of database limitations and architectures that break when you scale? MongoDB is the database built for developers, by developers—ACID compliant, enterprise-ready, and fluent in AI—so you can start building faster at https://mongodb.com/build

        Serval:

        Serval uses AI-powered automations to cut IT help desk tickets by more than 50%, freeing your team from repetitive tasks like password resets and onboarding. Book your free pilot and guarantee 50% help desk automation by week four at https://serval.com/cognitive

        Tasklet:

        Tasklet is an AI agent that automates your work 24/7; just describe what you want in plain English and it gets the job done. Try it for free and use code COGREV for 50% off your first month at https://tasklet.ai

        Claude

        Claude is the AI collaborator that understands your entire workflow, from drafting and research to coding and complex problem-solving. Start tackling bigger problems with Claude and unlock Claude Pro’s full capabilities at ⁠⁠https://claude.ai/tcr⁠

        CHAPTERS:

        (00:00) About the Episode

        (03:37) Origins of Internet Computer

        (10:09) Decentralization philosophy and AI

        (15:12) Tamper-proof architecture explained (Part 1)

        (19:43) Sponsors: Blitzy | MongoDB

        (22:08) Tamper-proof architecture explained (Part 2)

        (25:25) Network design and scaling (Part 1)

        (33:30) Sponsors: Serval | Tasklet

        (35:50) Network design and scaling (Part 2)

        (36:56) Replication costs and cloud

        (50:35) Network Nervous System governance

        (59:33) Caffeine, Motoko and persistence

        (01:20:19) Self-writing cloud disruption

        (01:32:30) Resilience and security guarantees

        (01:41:23) Use cases and limitations

        (01:49:56) AI misalignment and ensembles

        (02:00:47) Kill switches and governance

        (02:09:12) Future of self-writing software

        (02:11:40) Outro

        PRODUCED BY:

        https://aipodcast.ing

        2 hr 11 min
      • AMA Part 2: Is Fine-Tuning Dead? How Am I Preparing for AGI? Are We Headed for UBI? & More!

        In this AMA-style episode, Nathan takes on listener questions about whether fine-tuning is really on the way out, what emergent misalignment and weird generalization results tell us, and how to think about continual learning. He talks candidly about how he’s personally preparing for AGI—from career choices and investing to what resilience steps he has and hasn’t taken. The discussion also covers timelines for job disruption, whether UBI becomes inevitable, how to talk to kids and “normal people” about AI, and which safety approaches are most neglected.

        Sponsors:

        Blitzy:

        Blitzy is the autonomous code generation platform that ingests millions of lines of code to accelerate enterprise software development by up to 5x with premium, spec-driven output. Schedule a strategy session with their AI solutions consultants at https://blitzy.com

        MongoDB:

        Tired of database limitations and architectures that break when you scale? MongoDB is the database built for developers, by developers—ACID compliant, enterprise-ready, and fluent in AI—so you can start building faster at https://mongodb.com/build

        Serval:

        Serval uses AI-powered automations to cut IT help desk tickets by more than 50%, freeing your team from repetitive tasks like password resets and onboarding. Book your free pilot and guarantee 50% help desk automation by week four at https://serval.com/cognitive

        Tasklet:

        Tasklet is an AI agent that automates your work 24/7; just describe what you want in plain English and it gets the job done. Try it for free and use code COGREV for 50% off your first month at https://tasklet.ai

        Claude

        Claude is the AI collaborator that understands your entire workflow, from drafting and research to coding and complex problem-solving. Start tackling bigger problems with Claude and unlock Claude Pro’s full capabilities at ⁠⁠https://claude.ai/tcr⁠

        CHAPTERS:

        (00:00) Ernie cancer update

        (04:57) Is fine-tuning dead (Part 1)

        (12:31) Sponsors: Blitzy | MongoDB

        (14:57) Is fine-tuning dead (Part 2) (Part 1)

        (26:56) Sponsors: Serval | Tasklet

        (29:15) Is fine-tuning dead (Part 2) (Part 2)

        (29:16) Continual learning cautions

        (34:59) Talking to normal people

        (39:30) Personal risk preparation

        (49:59) Investing around AI safety

        (01:00:39) Early childhood AI literacy

        (01:08:55) Work disruption timelines

        (01:27:58) Nonprofits, need, and UBI

        (01:34:53) Benchmarks, AGI, and embodiment

        (01:47:30) AI tooling and platforms

        (01:57:01) Discourse norms and shaming

        (02:05:50) Location and safety funding

        (02:15:17) Turpentine deal and independence

        (02:24:19) Outro

        PRODUCED BY:

        https://aipodcast.ing

        2 hr 24 min
      • Pioneering PAI: How Daniel Miessler's Personal AI Infrastructure Activates Human Agency & Creativity

        Daniel Miessler shares his Personal AI Infrastructure (PAI) framework and vision for a future where single human owners are supported by armies of AI agents. He explains his TELOS system for defining purpose and goals, multi-layered memory design, and orchestration of multiple models and sub-agents. The conversation dives into cybersecurity impacts, from AI-accelerated testing to inevitable personalized spear-phishing and always-on defensive monitoring. Listeners will learn how scaffolding can turn frontier models into true digital assistants and even help reshape their own working habits.

        LINKS:

        • PAI principles on GitHub README
        • Daniel Miessler about page
        • How Miessler's projects fit together
        • AI changes predictions for 2026
        • Fabric open-source AI framework
        • Personal AI Infrastructure GitHub repository
        • Current definition of AGI article
        • Why we'll have AGI by 2028
        • RAID AI definitions framework article
        • Unsupervised Learning newsletter signup
        • Daniel Miessler LinkedIn profile
        • Sponsors:

          MongoDB:

          Tired of database limitations and architectures that break when you scale? MongoDB is the database built for developers, by developers—ACID compliant, enterprise-ready, and fluent in AI—so you can start building faster at https://mongodb.com/build

          Serval:

          Serval uses AI-powered automations to cut IT help desk tickets by more than 50%, freeing your team from repetitive tasks like password resets and onboarding. Book your free pilot and guarantee 50% help desk automation by week four at https://serval.com/cognitive

          MATS:

          MATS is a fully funded 12-week research program pairing rising talent with top mentors in AI alignment, interpretability, security, and governance. Apply for the next cohort at https://matsprogram.org/s26-tcr

          Tasklet:

          Tasklet is an AI agent that automates your work 24/7; just describe what you want in plain English and it gets the job done. Try it for free and use code COGREV for 50% off your first month at https://tasklet.ai

          Claude

          Claude is the AI collaborator that understands your entire workflow, from drafting and research to coding and complex problem-solving. Start tackling bigger problems with Claude and unlock Claude Pro’s full capabilities at ⁠⁠https://claude.ai/tcr⁠

          PRODUCED BY:

          https://aipodcast.ing

          2 hr 29 min
        • Snowflake VP of AI Baris Gultekin on Bringing AI to Data, Agent Design, Text-2-SQL, RAG & More

          Baris Gultekin, VP of AI at Snowflake, explains how “bringing AI to the data” is reshaping enterprise AI deployment under strict security and governance requirements. PSA for AI builders: Interested in alignment, governance, or AI safety? Learn more about the MATS Summer 2026 Fellowship and submit your name to be notified when applications open: https://matsprogram.org/s26-tcr. He shares the importance of bringing AI directly to governed enterprise data, advances in text-to-SQL and semantic modeling, and why high-quality retrieval is foundational for trustworthy AI agents. Baris also dives into Snowflake’s approach to agentic AI, including Snowflake Intelligence, model choice and cost tradeoffs, and why governance, security, and open standards are essential as AI becomes accessible to every business user.

          LINKS:

          • AWS' Automated Reasoning checks
          • Sponsors:

            MongoDB:

            Tired of database limitations and architectures that break when you scale? MongoDB is the database built for developers, by developers—ACID compliant, enterprise-ready, and fluent in AI—so you can start building faster at https://mongodb.com/build

            Serval:

            Serval uses AI-powered automations to cut IT help desk tickets by more than 50%, freeing your team from repetitive tasks like password resets and onboarding. Book your free pilot and guarantee 50% help desk automation by week four at https://serval.com/cognitive

            MATS:

            MATS is a fully funded 12-week research program pairing rising talent with top mentors in AI alignment, interpretability, security, and governance. Apply for the next cohort at https://matsprogram.org/s26-tcr

            Tasklet:

            Tasklet is an AI agent that automates your work 24/7; just describe what you want in plain English and it gets the job done. Try it for free and use code COGREV for 50% off your first month at https://tasklet.ai

            Claude

            Claude is the AI collaborator that understands your entire workflow, from drafting and research to coding and complex problem-solving. Start tackling bigger problems with Claude and unlock Claude Pro’s full capabilities at ⁠⁠https://claude.ai/tcr⁠

            CHAPTERS:

            (00:00) About the Episode

            (03:02) Snowflake 101 and AI

            (09:25) Text-to-SQL and semantics

            (19:10) RAG, embeddings and models (Part 1)

            (19:17) Sponsors: MongoDB | Serval

            (21:02) RAG, embeddings and models (Part 2)

            (32:23) Bringing models to data (Part 1)

            (32:29) Sponsors: MATS | Tasklet

            (35:29) Bringing models to data (Part 2)

            (51:14) Designing enterprise AI agents

            (58:35) Trust, governance and guardrails

            (01:07:14) Agents and future work

            (01:15:33) Platforms, competition and value

            (01:26:04) Enterprise models and outlook

            (01:40:00) Outro

            PRODUCED BY:

            https://aipodcast.ing

            1 hr 40 min
          • AMA Part 1: Is Claude Code AGI? Are we in a bubble? Plus Live Player Analysis

            In this AMA episode, Nathan gives an update on his son Ernie’s cancer treatment and how frontier AI models are helping him navigate complex medical decisions. PSA for AI builders: Interested in alignment, governance, or AI safety? Learn more about the MATS Summer 2026 Fellowship and submit your name to be notified when applications open: https://matsprogram.org/s26-tcr. He reflects on whether Claude Opus 4.5 and Claude Code amount to AGI-level coding, sharing stories of hospital vibe coding apps for his family. You’ll hear his framework for getting real value from Gemini 3, Claude, and GPT 5.2 Pro, plus his take on AI bubbles, Chinese models, chip controls, and who the true live players are in today’s AI race.

            Sponsors:

            MongoDB:

            Tired of database limitations and architectures that break when you scale? MongoDB is the database built for developers, by developers—ACID compliant, enterprise-ready, and fluent in AI—so you can start building faster at https://mongodb.com/build

            Framer:

            Framer is an enterprise-grade website builder that lets business teams design, launch, and optimize their.com with AI-powered wireframing, real-time collaboration, and built-in analytics. Start building for free and get 30% off a Framer Pro annual plan at https://framer.com/cognitive

            Tasklet:

            Tasklet is an AI agent that automates your work 24/7; just describe what you want in plain English and it gets the job done. Try it for free and use code COGREV for 50% off your first month at https://tasklet.ai

            Claude

            Claude is the AI collaborator that understands your entire workflow, from drafting and research to coding and complex problem-solving. Start tackling bigger problems with Claude and unlock Claude Pro’s full capabilities at ⁠⁠https://claude.ai/tcr⁠

            CHAPTERS:

            (00:00) AMA intro format

            (00:22) Ernie health update

            (09:24) Claude 4.5 question (Part 1)

            (09:29) Sponsors: MongoDB | Framer

            (11:21) Claude 4.5 question (Part 2)

            (13:21) Using AI for cancer

            (19:48) AI value and skill

            (22:10) Holiday coding projects (Part 1)

            (22:15) Sponsor: Tasklet

            (23:27) Holiday coding projects (Part 2)

            (28:01) Claude code workflow

            (32:03) Is Claude 4.5 AGI

            (36:04) AI bubble or not

            (41:22) VC froth examples

            (46:09) Chinese models comparison

            (55:29) H200 exports to China

            (01:03:40) Google DeepMind strengths

            (01:11:55) OpenAI strategy outlook

            (01:22:51) Anthropic culture and strategy

            (01:36:17) XAI promise and risks

            (01:48:20) Meta and Microsoft

            (01:52:29) Part two preview

            (01:53:39) Outro

            PRODUCED BY:

            https://aipodcast.ing

            SOCIAL LINKS:

            Website: https://www.cognitiverevolution.ai

            Twitter (Podcast): https://x.com/cogrev_podcast

            Twitter (Nathan): https://x.com/labenz

            LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/nathanlabenz/

            Youtube: https://youtube.com/@CognitiveRevolutionPodcast

            Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/de/podcast/the-cognitive-revolution-ai-builders-researchers-and/id1669813431

            Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6yHyok3M3BjqzR0VB5MSyk

            1 hr 55 min
          • Building & Scaling the AI Safety Research Community, with Ryan Kidd of MATS

            Ryan Kidd, Co-Executive Director of MATS, shares an inside view of the AI safety field and the world’s largest AI safety research talent pipeline. PSA for AI builders: Interested in alignment, governance, or AI safety? Learn more about the MATS Summer 2026 Fellowship and submit your name to be notified when applications open: https://matsprogram.org/s26-tcr. He discusses AGI timelines, the blurred line between safety and capabilities work, and why expert disagreement remains so high. In the second half, Ryan breaks down MATS’ research archetypes, what top AI safety organizations are looking for, and how applicants can stand out with the right projects, skills, and career strategy.


            Sponsors:

            Tasklet:

            Tasklet is an AI agent that automates your work 24/7; just describe what you want in plain English and it gets the job done. Try it for free and use code COGREV for 50% off your first month at https://tasklet.ai

            Agents of Scale:

            Agents of Scale is a podcast from Zapier CEO Wade Foster, featuring conversations with C-suite leaders who are leading AI transformation. Subscribe to the show wherever you get your podcasts

            Shopify:

            Shopify powers millions of businesses worldwide, handling 10% of U.S. e-commerce. With hundreds of templates, AI tools for product descriptions, and seamless marketing campaign creation, it's like having a design studio and marketing team in one. Start your $1/month trial today at https://shopify.com/cognitive

            Claude

            Claude is the AI collaborator that understands your entire workflow, from drafting and research to coding and complex problem-solving. Start tackling bigger problems with Claude and unlock Claude Pro’s full capabilities at ⁠⁠https://claude.ai/tcr⁠

            CHAPTERS:

            (00:00) About the Episode

            (03:50) MATS mission, AGI timelines

            (13:43) Evaluating current AI safety (Part 1)

            (13:48) Sponsor: Tasklet

            (14:59) Evaluating current AI safety (Part 2) (Part 1)

            (28:11) Sponsors: Agents of Scale | Shopify

            (30:58) Evaluating current AI safety (Part 2) (Part 2)

            (30:59) Safety research versus capabilities

            (40:01) Frontier labs, deployment, governance

            (51:51) MATS tracks and governance

            (01:04:11) Research archetypes and tooling

            (01:12:25) Labor market and careers

            (01:20:09) Applicant selection and preparation

            (01:29:33) Admissions, salaries, and compute

            (01:40:34) Future programs and paradigms

            (01:54:11) Outro

            PRODUCED BY:

            https://aipodcast.ing

            SOCIAL LINKS:

            Website: https://www.cognitiverevolution.ai

            Twitter (Podcast): https://x.com/cogrev_podcast

            Twitter (Nathan): https://x.com/labenz

            LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/nathanlabenz/

            Youtube: https://youtube.com/@CognitiveRevolutionPodcast

            Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/de/podcast/the-cognitive-revolution-ai-builders-researchers-and/id1669813431

            Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6yHyok3M3BjqzR0VB5MSyk

            1 hr 55 min
          • Confronting the Intelligence Curse, w/ Luke Drago of Workshop Labs, from the FLI Podcast

            This cross-post episode from the Future of Life Institute podcast features Luke Drago, co-author of The Intelligence Curse and co-founder of Workshop Labs, in conversation with Gus Docker. PSA for AI builders: Interested in alignment, governance, or AI safety? Learn more about the MATS Summer 2026 Fellowship and submit your name to be notified when applications open: https://matsprogram.org/s26-tcr. They explore whether it’s wise to build AI systems that directly compete with and potentially replace humans as economic actors, and how this could create an “Intelligence Curse” where those who control AI gain extreme power. Luke outlines societal strategies like open-source AI, company-level design principles that keep users in control of their data, and personal tactics such as N-of-1 careers and pursuing moonshot projects early.

            Sponsors:

            MATS:

            MATS is a fully funded 12-week research program pairing rising talent with top mentors in AI alignment, interpretability, security, and governance. Apply for the next cohort at https://matsprogram.org/s26-tcr

            Tasklet:

            Tasklet is an AI agent that automates your work 24/7; just describe what you want in plain English and it gets the job done. Try it for free and use code COGREV for 50% off your first month at https://tasklet.ai

            Agents of Scale:

            Agents of Scale is a podcast from Zapier CEO Wade Foster, featuring conversations with C-suite leaders who are leading AI transformation. Subscribe to the show wherever you get your podcasts

            Shopify:

            Shopify powers millions of businesses worldwide, handling 10% of U.S. e-commerce. With hundreds of templates, AI tools for product descriptions, and seamless marketing campaign creation, it's like having a design studio and marketing team in one. Start your $1/month trial today at https://shopify.com/cognitive

            Claude

            Claude is the AI collaborator that understands your entire workflow, from drafting and research to coding and complex problem-solving. Start tackling bigger problems with Claude and unlock Claude Pro’s full capabilities at ⁠https://claude.ai/tcr

            CHAPTERS:

            (00:00) About the Episode

            (03:07) Defining The Intelligence Curse

            (09:34) Pyramid Replacement And Work (Part 1)

            (15:55) Sponsors: MATS | Tasklet

            (18:55) Pyramid Replacement And Work (Part 2)

            (25:29) Local Knowledge, Data Control

            (33:58) Dystopian Intelligence Curse Future (Part 1)

            (34:04) Sponsors: Agents of Scale | Shopify

            (36:52) Dystopian Intelligence Curse Future (Part 2)

            (48:07) Open, Safe AI Futures

            (01:02:47) Loyal Agents Versus Ads

            (01:14:06) Moonshots Over Safe Paths

            (01:17:49) Outro

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            1 hr 17 min

          About "The Cognitive Revolution"

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          A biweekly podcast where hosts Nathan Labenz and Erik Torenberg interview the builders on the edge of AI and explore the dramatic shift it will unlock in the coming years.

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