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Kevin is flying SOLO this week as he explains our brief podcast hiatus, touches on our work with Popular Science, and why Tabor isn’t “with him as always” this time around.

After some general housekeeping, we dive into Kevin’s book Sleep Warrior and the astonishing progress he’s made after finishing up his first draft. Then, we take a deep dive into Nirvana’s smash hit “In Utero”, with a special focus on “Francis Farmer Will Have Revenge on Seattle.” Kevin unpacks a particularly haunting lyric, and we pick apart the surprising psychological implications that come along with it.

From there, we zoom out to a broader discussion on the paradoxical comfort that sadness can bring, connecting it to everything from weight loss struggles to the challenges of personal transformation. We also take a detour into 80s cinema with Teen Wolf, breaking down how the film serves as an unexpected metaphor for the very same complexities.

Thanks for tuning in—we’re excited to be back, and we’ll see you all again soon!

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CREDITS:

Hosts: Kevin Lieber and Matt Tabor

Executive Producer: Ben Webster

Editor: Spencer Vann

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