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Eight parts. Ten hours. Thousands of documents, hearings, missed warnings and unanswered questions. Now it's time for the hosts to make the call.

In the finale, Sean, Jorge and Eric each give an uninterrupted summation of everything the series covered, from the Cold War roots of Al-Qaeda to the morning the towers fell and the years of questions that followed. Patreon members voted on the speaking order. There's no banter and no tangents, just three hosts laying out what they believe happened on September 11th and why.

They've spent months in the same evidence, and they've each landed somewhere. Do they agree? Where do they split? And whose case will make you rethink your own?

If you haven't heard the rest of the series, go back to the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and The Rise of Al-Qaeda, then start at Part 1. The summations build on everything that came before.

You decide: Once you've heard all three, join the hosts in the After Hours and vote in the Spotify poll for the one you agree with most.

Coming up: The War on Terror and The Hunt for Bin Laden.

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Jason Thomas had been off active duty in the Marine Corps for only a few weeks when the morning of September 11th began, and his uniform was still in the back of his truck. By the time the North Tower fell, he had put it on and driven into Manhattan with no orders and no plan, just his training and a city in trouble. Before the day was over, he and another Marine in uniform would walk into a section of the site that rescue crews had been pulled out of, calling into the smoke and listening for an answer.

This is the story of Sergeant Jason Thomas.

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The Fifth Plane? On the morning of September 11, 2001, United Airlines Flight 23 sat in a line of jets at JFK, waiting to take off for Los Angeles. It was a fully fueled Boeing 767, the same aircraft type as two of the hijacked planes. Then the ground stop came, and it never left the ground.

In Part 7 of the 9/11 series, Eric, Sean, and Jorge dig into the "fifth plane" theory. After a cockpit-intrusion warning came through, Captain Tom Mannello grabbed the crash ax and First Officer Carol Timmons barricaded the cockpit door with their own luggage. Flight attendants reported four passengers in first class who refused food and kept demanding to take off, along with a figure in a burqa they believed was a man in disguise. After the plane returned to the gate and emptied out, a flight attendant says she ran into two men hiding on board. Box cutters turned up on the 767 parked right next to it. The 9/11 Commission Report never mentions Flight 23. More than 20 years later, the FBI still refuses to release its files, citing a pending law enforcement proceeding.

The guys also break down the strange case of Zacarias Moussaoui, the only person convicted in a U.S. civilian court in connection with 9/11. He was arrested weeks before the attacks while training on a 747 simulator. He pleaded guilty, then took the stand and claimed he was meant to fly a fifth plane into the White House, then called his own testimony a fabrication.

Was Flight 23 the fifth plane, or is this hindsight filling in the gaps?

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On the morning of September 11th, Genelle Guzman was sixty-four floors up in the North Tower, moving down the stairwell with everyone else, counting floors like everyone else. She made it to the 13th before the tower came down around her. What happened in the twenty-seven hours after that — the dark, the silence, and the voice that stayed with her through it — became a story she's spent twenty-five years trying to explain. This year, for the first time, the rest of the world is hearing it too.

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The Conspiracy Podcast continues its deep dive into the September 11th attacks with the second half of its conspiracy theory breakdown. Eric, Jorge, and Sean pick up where the last episode left off, digging into the claims and questions that still surround that day nearly a quarter-century later.

This episode touches on the Odigo warning, the August 6th Presidential Daily Briefing, the Silverstein breakfast, the Saudi and bin Laden family flights, the Flight 93 debris field and shootdown theory, the E-Team and Gelitin art residencies, William Rodriguez's story, President Bush at Booker Elementary, and the "Dancing Israelis."

As always, the hosts weigh the evidence, question the official narrative, and let listeners decide what to believe.

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He was a Wall Street trader with an office on the 104th floor of the South Tower — but underneath that, he was still the kid who'd carried a red bandana in his pocket since he was six, still the volunteer firefighter who never quite let that dream go. On September 11th, both versions of him showed up. It would take his own family eight months, and a stranger's account in the newspaper, to understand exactly what that meant.

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The Conspiracy Podcast begins its deep dive into the unanswered questions of September 11th with the first half of a two-part conspiracy special. Eric, Sean, and Jorge move past the official timeline of the attacks and into the evidence that has fueled two decades of public suspicion — starting with the unusually large put option trades placed against United and American Airlines in the days before the attacks, and what the 9/11 Commission, the SEC, and independent academic research actually found when they investigated.

From there, the guys break down the military's posture that morning, including the live NORAD exercises running in real time, the fighter jets pulled toward Alaska, and a coincidentally-timed drill at the National Reconnaissance Office. They dig into the Project for the New American Century's "Rebuilding America's Defenses" report and its now-infamous reference to a "new Pearl Harbor," the wave of foreign intelligence warnings that went unheeded that summer, the FBI's missed opportunities with agent Kenneth Williams' Phoenix memo and the Zacarias Moussaoui arrest, and the CIA's handling of hijackers Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi in the eighteen months before the attacks.

It's a night of following the money, the paper trail, and the chain of command — with the guys openly debating where negligence ends and something else begins.

He came to New York for a few weeks and never left — eventually landing a job washing windows a hundred floors above the street, in a building he came to think of as a second home. On September 11th, an ordinary elevator ride trapped him and five strangers between floors, with nothing but the tool on his belt standing between them and the fire spreading below.

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An off-duty firefighter was on his way to spend the day with his brothers when he heard the news that a plane had just hit the World Trade Center. What he chose to do next became one of the most enduring stories of that entire day.

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Part 4 of the 9/11 Series, this episode turns to the Pentagon, the hijackers themselves, and Osama bin Laden — three of the most examined and most disputed threads connected to September 11th.

Hosts Eric , Sean , and Jorge begin with the official record on American Airlines Flight 77: the impact at 9:37 AM, the recovered flight data and cockpit voice recorders, and the DNA identification of everyone aboard. They then work through the specific questions that have followed the Pentagon attack for twenty-five years — the limited wreckage visible in early photographs, the size of the entry hole, the small number of security camera frames ever released, and Donald Rumsfeld's September 10th statement about $2.3 trillion in untracked Pentagon transactions.

From there turn to the 19 hijackers themselves: how they were identified within days through passenger manifests and financial records, the intact passport recovered near the World Trade Center, reports that some hijackers were later identified alive by family members overseas, and the flying ability of Hani Hanjour, the pilot accused of executing the Pentagon's final approach.

The episode closes on Osama bin Laden — his fatwas against the United States, his ties to the 1998 embassy bombings and the USS Cole, his connection to the CIA-backed mujahideen of the Soviet-Afghan War, and his own shifting public statements about September 11th in the years that followed.

New episodes of "9/11: Unanswered," The Conspiracy Podcast's series marking the 25th anniversary of September 11th, release every Tuesday through September 28th. Follow on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

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