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Most copywriters brag about "8-figure results"—but don’t understand what really drives business growth.
In this episode, Matthew sits down with Nabeel Azeez (founder of CopySkills) to unpack the uncomfortable truths of the copy industry.
You’ll learn:
✅ What clients *actually* look for
✅ Why being known - being the “best”
✅ How to break into SaaS (even if no one knows you)
✅ The “employee mindset” trap holding copywriters back
✅ Why 100x ROI is easier with the *right* client
⏰ TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 - Intro: The problem with “8-figure copywriters”
3:10 - The truth about attribution and inflated results
7:26 - Being visible vs. being good: what actually gets clients
12:42 - How Nabeel landed a viral SaaS client from a cold DM
17:35 - Why switching from high-ticket to SaaS made sense
22:18 - How to break into the SaaS industry as a copywriter
26:02 - The easiest way to build proof without faking it
30:50 - The dumbest copywriting mistake nobody talks about
34:10 - Why most copy coaching programs have low success rates
39:23 - Coaching people who would succeed anyway
43:00 - The fatal flaw of the “employee mindset”
47:15 - Why most clients don’t value real copy until it’s too late
50:55 - How to act like a partner, not an order-taker
54:20 - What makes a copywriter *actually* stand out
59:10 - What Nabil teaches inside CopySkills
1:03:33 - How the CopySkills model is built for Global South freelancers
1:09:48 - Final thoughts: consistency - perfect strategy
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