The Copywriting Podcast

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A lot of copywriters dream about becoming offer owners, but most of them have no clue what they’re actually signing up for.

In this interview, I sit down with Igor Kheifets, one of the highest-paid email marketers in the world, to talk about what it really takes to build offers, run traffic, manage volatility, and scale an email business that prints cash year after year.

We cover the hidden realities nobody talks about: why winning offers don’t stay winning, why “passive income” is a myth, and the uncomfortable reason most marketers aren’t built for offer ownership.

If you want to understand what the top 1% of email marketers actually do (and what they deal with behind the scenes), you’ll love this conversation.

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In this interview, I sit down with Bashar Katou,  who’s generated over $30 million online, to talk about what actually changes when you move beyond the early hustle phase and start thinking like a true business owner.

We get into the hidden cost of ego, the painful blind spots most creators don’t see, and why scaling isn’t really about doing more..

If you want to build a business that survives you, not one that depends on you, this conversation will hit different.

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Most people think organic growth is about posting more.

Kai Lode helped grow one of the biggest creator brands on YouTube and email by obsessing over something very few people pay attention to: how audiences actually build trust over time.

In this interview, Kai breaks down how he went from cold outreach to running end-to-end organic growth systems, and why most creators sabotage themselves by trying to look perfect instead of being consistent.

If you care about organic growth, audience trust, and building something that lasts, this conversation will change how you think about content.

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In this interview, Alex breaks down what really separates freelancers who are constantly chasing work from those who are quietly booked out through referrals.

What Alex shares on network harvesting and why so many freelancers are sitting on opportunities they don’t even realise they have..is eye opening.

If you want to stop relying on platforms and start building a freelance career that feeds itself, this conversation will change how you think about getting clients.

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https://list.copywriting.orgCreative strategy is everywhere right now, and most copywriters have no idea what it actually means.In this interview, Jenn and I unpack why “creative strategist” has suddenly become one of the most in-demand roles in marketing..and why copywriters are uniquely positioned to step into it if they understand how the market has shifted.

If you’ve been seeing creative strategy roles everywhere and wondering whether this is something you should pay attention to, this conversation will give you the clarity you’re missing.

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In this video, I break down a pattern I’ve seen again and again with smart, talented copywriters who should be earning far more than they are… but somehow stay stuck at the same income level for years.

If you’ve ever felt like you’re doing everything “right” but the results don’t match the effort…this will give you something to think about.

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In this conversation, Matt and I explore what it actually takes to build mastery over years, not months, and why most creators, copywriters, and marketers quietly sabotage themselves by optimizing for short-term validation.

If you’re serious about building skills, audience, and leverage that compound for decades, this interview will challenge how you think about progress.

Check him out:  @mattvsjapan 

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In this conversation, Andrew breaks down the realities of becoming a high-earning copywriter, from going beyond “just writing words,” to understanding audiences, offers, research, and the full ecosystem businesses operate in.

Once you hear how Andrew diagnoses businesses like a doctore, you’ll understand exactly why some copywriters become indispensable and others stay stuck writing commodity-level copy.

If you want to evolve from a writer into a revenue-driving strategic partner, this is the interview to study.

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What happens when one of the most respected copywriting minds on the planet sits down and explains how he actually thinks?

In this conversation, David Deutsch opens the hood on creativity, research depth, idea generation, and what separates copywriters who plateau, from the ones who become masters of the craft.

You’ll hear David unpack the hidden skills behind great copy, the mental models, the questions, the frameworks, and the perspectives that most writers never develop.

And you’ll see Matthew pull out insights David has NEVER shared publicly in this way before.

If you’re serious about becoming a world-class copywriter, this is one of those interviews you’ll want to watch more than once.

00:00 - Opening & How Great Copywriters Think03:00 - Curiosity & Asking Better Questions10:00 - Understanding the Product18:00 - Story, Emotion & Holding Attention26:00 - Generating Big Ideas & Creative Breakthroughs34:00 - Developing Taste: Editing, Rewriting & Discernment42:00 - Coaching, Collaboration & External Feedback50:00 - The Craft of Rewriting58:00 - AI & Creativity01:07 - Psychology, Persuasion & Why People Buy01:16 - Career Longevity: Becoming a Timeless Copywriter01:28 - Final Reflections & Where to Learn More01:42 - End

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With 47 years in the game, Bond shares all his best kept secrets he absorbed growing up in the Halbert household; from writing ads at the kitchen table to learning the psychology behind persuasion, and understanding how world-class copy is actually created.

If you’re a copywriter, marketer, or student of persuasion, this is a masterclass you’ll return to for years.

Go check out Bond Halbert!:https://bondhalbert.com/

00:00 - Growing Up Halbert

02:15 - Learning Copy as a Kid

06:30 - How World-Class Copywriting Actually Happens

10:45 - Attention, Editing & the Reality of Modern Readers

15:20 - Walking in the Prospect’s Shoes & Mining Real Insights

20:10 - The Boron Letters, Amazon Strategy & Smart Marketing Moves

26:40 - Psychology-Driven Headlines, Curiosity & Writing Systems

32:50 - Understanding Buyers, Risk, and the Hidden Forces Behind Decisions

38:05 - Great Conversations - Great Copy: Pattern Recognition & Ideas

44:40 - The Future of Copy, AI, and What Will Always Win

50:10 - Swipe Files, Models, and Thinking Independently as a Marketer

56:00 - Timeless Lessons for Copywriters Who Want Longevity

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