Meet Desa Kishar—a multidisciplinary artist, devoted mother of four, healer, and deep thinker. In this wide-ranging conversation, Desa shares her perspectives on motherhood, modesty, spirituality, personal evolution, relationships, raising a Black son, protecting her peace, creativity, and what it truly means to live with intention.

Whether you’re interested in faith, healing, self-development, Black culture, or simply enjoy meaningful conversations, this interview is full of wisdom that will leave you reflecting long after it ends.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction & Meet Desa Kishar

01:50 Desa’s journey through motherhood

05:45 Living with confidence, curves, and intentional modesty

10:30 Body image, self-worth, and embracing change

14:29 A message to men about respect, discipline, and self-value

17:32 Do we belong to each other? Exploring love, connection & freedom

22:58 Protecting your peace, boundaries, and access to your energy

26:44 Raising children, letting go, and preparing them for adulthood

30:30 Raising a Black son with love, awareness, and intention

35:05 Faith, healing, community, and personal evolution

37:48 Musical Pronouns: Desa’s artistic influences & inspirations

42:40 Why Desa wears a head wrap and dresses modestly

46:33 Words of wisdom for her son and daughters

48:15 Closing thoughts & outro

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Sports journalist, podcast host, and motivational speaker, Indya Durham stops by the show to discuss her rise to becoming the official ringside reporter for RWA Pro Wrestling! At just 23, she has already made her mark on the world of sports, earning her bachelor’s degree in Sports Communication from Point Park University in 2024. Immediately after graduation, Indya packed her bags, moved to Los Angeles and worked as an ambassador for the Los Angeles Rams. In addition, she joined the Los Angeles Clippers Hype Squad from 2024-2025. In this episode, Indya touches on several topics including the differences between speaking on social media as an influencer versus speaking on camera during an interview with a professional athlete. One of my favorite parts of the show was when Indya talked about how she navigates the sports industry as a young, Black woman. When she’s not working as a reporter, Indya hosts her podcast called “IndyTalk 101,” where she offers words of wisdom from a faith-based perspective. Thank you Indya for sharing your journey with me!

IndyTalk101 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/indytalk101?igsh=eHg4dGgxa3AzdXg2

IndyTalk101 Youtube: https://youtube.com/@indytalk101?si=fe_XMyii2od-T1xX

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/indyadurham?utm_source=share_via&utm_content=profile&utm_medium=member_ios

Pennsylvania-based realtor Gigi Nelson stops by the show to talk about her journey from growing up in the Dominican Republic to selling $1.5 million in real estate property in her first year as a realtor. We also touched on the challenges that Gigi has faced in trying to acclimate herself to Black American culture as an Afro-Latinx woman who was not immersed in Black American culture until she went to college.

https://www.homehappenswgigi.com

Melaiya Jones, Founder and CEO of. Shutterhouse Media and MAJ Photography, stops by to talk about her recent vacation to Saint Kitts, the reason why she relocated her production studio, and why it’s important for all of us to humanize entrepreneurship. Stay tuned for an insightful conversation with my friend Melaiya.

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Ifeoma Igwe is a Pittsburgh-based artist and illustrator known for her work on existentialism and shared experiences. In this episode, she talks about navigating her childhood as a Nigerian-American girl, developing as an artist on the Pittsburgh art scene, and how she used social media and her website to generate more exposure for her art. Ifeoma also chimes in on the never ending battle between Nigerians and Ghanaians over who makes the best jollof rice.

https://www.ifeomacreates.com

https://www.instagram.com/ifeomacreates11/

https://pittsburghfoundation.org/ifeoma

Yvette Renee Royal is the first African-American woman in the United States to open an esthetic salon featuring LPG Endermologie. Endermologie is a non-surgical procedure for cellulite treatment, blood circulation, and overall skin appearance. Her salon, Anastasia’s Crown Esthetic Services, is named after her niece who passed away as an infant. In this episode, Yvette explains the spiritual meaning of Anastasia’s Crown. She also shares how she is using her business to uplift women. I really enjoyed sitting down with Yvette and I strongly encourage women to book a session with Anastasia’s Crown. Anastasia’s Crown is more than a salon…it’s a MINISTRY!

https://anastasiascrown.com

https://www.instagram.com/anastasiascrown1/

https://www.sheenmagazine.com/yvette-royal-the-queen-of-skin-care/

As a Lyft driver, I meet so many fascinating people on a regular basis. One woman in particular, Veronica Colsher, really piqued my interest during our trip together. Like myself, Veronica was born and raised in Philly and she’s a diehard Eagles fan! Also, we both moved to Pittsburgh from Philly to pursue higher education. While we share multiple similarities, we also have our differences. For example, I am CAUTIOUSLY OPTIMISTIC while Veronica is DELUSIONAL LY OPTIMISTIC. Whether she had to move in with friends because the roof of her apartment caved in or overcome medical challenges throughout her childhood, Veronica always maintained a positive outlook. As a result, she has figured out how to be the best version of herself.

Stay tuned for a compelling conversation with one of my favorite Lyft passengers.

As a Lyft driver, I meet so many fascinating people on a regular basis. One woman in particular, Veronica Colsher really peaked my interest during our trip together. Like myself, Veronica was born and raised in Philly and she’s a diehard Eagles fan just like me! Also, we both moved to Pittsburgh from Philly to pursue higher education. While there are multiple similarities that we share, we do have some differences. While I am cautiously optimistic that things will work out for the best in my life, Veronica is DELUSIONALLY optimistic. Whether the roof of her apartment caves in forcing her to move in with friends or she’s battling medical challenges as a kid, Veronica has found that being unapologetically positive has paid dividends to her ability to overcome life’s obstacles. So sit back, relax and listen to one of my favorite Lyft passengers educate you about delusional positivity.

Pittsburgh visual artist Ashante Josey stops by the show to discuss her journey to becoming the star painter that she is today. Her art primarily focuses on Black culture, nature, music, emotion, and symbolism. During our conversation, Ashante reflects on some recent achievements she’s accomplished including her 2023 Artivist Academy fellowship with 1Hood Media, her 2025 Fab 40 Award from the New Pittsburgh Courier, and the August Wilson African American Cultural Center featuring her painting “Let It Go” in their “Being Seen” exhibit. Stay tuned for an introspective dialogue with a Black woman who sometimes feels like her art is TOO BLACK FOR BLACK SPACES!

https://www.ajoseyart.com

Professional Makeup Artist and Beat By Nesh Studio owner Tenesha Cameron stops by the show to talk about several topics including: her middle school introduction to makeup, how lying on her resume led to her doing Cardi B’s makeup, and navigating single motherhood without her mother’s guidance and wisdom.

https://www.beatbynesh.com

https://www.facebook.com/BeatByNesh/

https://www.tiktok.com/@beatbynesh?_t=ZP-8x6aHuAeMD0&_r=1

https://www.instagram.com/beatbyneshbeauty/