Can cannabis be the key to lowering healthcare costs and improving patient outcomes?

Impossible, right?

Think again.

Leafwell has analyzed millions of data points and uncovered staggering, undeniable results—cannabis patients experience fewer ER visits, reduced prescription drug use, and better health outcomes compared to non-users. These findings aren’t just groundbreaking—they’re a wake-up call.

This is just the beginning of unlocking the true potential of plant medicine, and with further research, education, and access, millions more could benefit.

This week, we sit down with Emily Fisher & Dr. June Chin of Leafwell to discuss:

• The shocking data proving cannabis' impact on healthcare
• How employers are integrating cannabis into their benefits
• How insurance coverage could change the future of medical cannabis

Guest Links:

• https://www.linkedin.com/in/emily-arida/
• Apply for a Medical Marijuana Card Online - Leafwell
• Instagram (@leafwell_official)
• https://x.com/Leafwell
• Leafwell
• https://www.linkedin.com/company/leafwellofficial/

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“It’s this crazy melody of things constantly happening, and you need an incredible degree of grit and fortitude. Even the best-prepared individuals with meticulous plans have to throw them up in the air like confetti. It’s an intangible feeling—until you get into it, you really don’t know.”

This quote from Christina Betancourt Johnson perfectly captures the cannabis industry—where relentless highs and lows force constant adaptation. The question is: are we just treading water, or pushing forward to something greater?

This week, we sit down with Christina Betancourt Johnson, CEO of Standard Wellness Maryland, to discuss:

• How even the best-laid plans evolve in cannabis.
• The balance between compliance, funding, and long-term growth.
• The mindset and strategies needed to thrive in an unpredictable industry.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to the Cannabis Journey

02:55 Transitioning into the Cannabis Industry

05:52 Navigating the Application Process

09:03 Understanding the Dichotomy of Cannabis Business

11:50 The Importance of Vertical Integration

15:11 Challenges of Operationalizing a Cannabis Business

18:01 Managing Stakeholder Expectations

20:49 Resilience and Adaptability in Cannabis

26:31 Navigating the Cannabis Landscape

30:49 Challenges of Social Equity in Cannabis

33:37 The Importance of Agility in Leadership

36:50 Engaging in the Legislative Process

39:42 Empowering Communities Through Education

43:54 Future Trends in the Cannabis Industry

48:09 Lessons from Experience

Guest Links 

• https://www.standardwellness.com/
• https://www.instagram.com/standardwellnesscompany/
• https://www.linkedin.com/company/standard-wellness-company/
• https://www.linkedin.com/in/christinabjohnson/

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Want to know what a company really values? Look at where they spend their money.

In cannabis, where cash is a rare commodity, Jetty Extracts is choosing to invest in:

• Thousands of dollars each month in additional third-party testing that isn’t required
• OCal-certified cannabis, the cleanest on the market

Most companies can’t even consider this level of investment. Jetty does it because they’ve spent over a decade building a brand on quality.

As the industry shifts toward clean products, organic certification, and transparency, Jetty is making a conscious choice to lead, not follow.

This isn’t just compliance—it’s a brand separator. And that’s what makes them different.

This week we sit down with Ron Gershoni Co Founder Jetty Extracts to discuss the following

• Why solventless extraction is the future.
• Why OCal certification is a game-changer.
• How Jetty built a brand on quality and consistency

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Jetty Extracts and Ron Grishoni

02:39 Ron’s Journey into the Cannabis Industry

10:24 Building Jetty Extracts: Early Challenges and Growth

15:14 Scaling and Expanding Jetty Extracts

21:19 The Importance of Consistency in Cannabis Products

35:57 The Shift Towards Clean Cannabis

43:10 Future of Jetty Extracts and Industry Insights

Guest Links 

• https://www.linkedin.com/in/ron-gershoni-1ba1271/
• https://jettyextracts.com/
• https://www.instagram.com/jettyextracts/
• https://x.com/jettyextracts

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Cannabis started as a movement, not just a business. But as legalization expanded, the industry found itself caught between profit and purpose, struggling under massive overregulation and taxation. So how do we get back on track?

For over 11 years, Luna Stower has been on the front lines—fighting for safe access, patient rights, and the end of prohibition. While many have lost steam, her relentless passion and advocacy have never wavered. She has worked to bridge the gap between activism and industry, ensuring that cannabis remains accessible, ethical, and true to its roots.

This week, we sit down with Luna Stower to discuss:

• The real challenges of legalization and what’s holding progress back
• Why patient access must come first
• How small actions can create big change in the industry

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Luna Stower and Cannabis Roots

03:31 Optimism vs. Reality in Cannabis

08:43 Activism and Advocacy in Cannabis Legislation

12:56 Navigating Cannabis Conversations in Society

14:43 The Unique Classification of Cannabis

17:57 The Conspiracy Against Cannabis

20:14 The Role of Activism in Cannabis Legislation

22:29 Cannabis as a Catalyst for Broader Social Change

23:24 The Importance of Speaking Up

24:24 Descheduling Cannabis: A Call to Action

25:33 The Prison Industrial Complex and Cannabis

26:57 Economic Impact of Cannabis Legalization

28:52 Racism and Cannabis: A Lens on Society

29:11 Challenges Facing the Cannabis Industry

30:37 Vaping Safety and Regulation

32:53 Patient Access and Rights

34:08 Long-term Safety of Vaping

38:22 Global Cannabis Perspectives

42:01 Consumption Lounges: A New Experience

43:55 Activism and Community Engagement

Guest Links 

• https://www.linkedin.com/in/lunastower/
• https://www.lunastower.com/
• https://www.instagram.com/luna_stower
• https://x.com/lunastower
• https://www.instagram.com/getispire/

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Vaping is more than just oil and hardware—it’s a delicate balance of oil, terpenes, device performance, and supply chain efficiency. When one element is off, consumers notice, and brands suffer.

With new tariffs on China and CCELL  massive  U.S. investment, what does this mean for the future of the vape industry? How do hardware vendors differentiate themselves while ensuring brands thrive? And can a nine-figure R&D budget redefine the vaping experience?

This week, we sit down with Nick Kovacevich, Corporate Relations Director at CCELL, to explore:

• The challenge of balancing cost, quality, and consumer expectations in vapes
• How China tariffs are reshaping the global vape supply chain
• The hidden factors that determine whether a vape product succeeds or fails

Guest Links:

• https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickkovacevich/
• https://x.com/nickkovacevich
• https://www.ccell.com/
• https://www.linkedin.com/company/ccellofficial/
• https://x.com/CCELLofficial
• https://www.instagram.com/CCELLofficial/

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to the Vape Industry and Guest Background

02:53 The Rise of C-cell and Its Innovations

06:08 Understanding the Supply Chain in Cannabis

08:59 Investment Strategies and Long-term Vision

11:52 Navigating Consumer Data and Market Trends

15:13 The Importance of Quality Control in Vape Products

18:02 Technological Advancements in Vape Technology

20:56 The Role of Batteries in Vape Performance

27:06 The Evolution of Cannabis Vaping Devices

29:26 Supply Chain Innovations in Cannabis

32:48 Automation and Efficiency in Production

35:15 Navigating Tariffs and Political Changes

38:58 The Future of Cannabis Legislation

42:15 Research and Development in Cannabis Safety

45:09 The Case for Vaping as a Safer Alternative

49:08 Consumer Awareness and Industry Transparency

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Consumer buy brands. And in cannabis, California brands reign supreme because they uphold the most sacred element in any relationship—trust.

Trust isn’t just about marketing—it’s about consistency, quality, and experience. The moment a brand breaks that trust, it loses everything. But expanding a highly trusted California brand into new markets isn’t just about slapping a logo on a jar—it’s about ensuring the same elite quality, cultivation standards, and consumer experience across state lines.

So how do you scale a collective of powerhouse cannabis brands while maintaining the trust that made them successful in the first place?

This week, we sit down with Nate D, co-founder of Turn, Made, and Project Packs, to break down:

·Why Trust Is Cannabis’ Most Valuable Asset

·How a Collective Model Helps Cannabis Brands Scale

· The Cultivation & Quality Challenges of Scaling Cannabis

Chapters:

00:00 Introduction to Nate D and His Ventures

02:48 The Ecosystem of Cannabis Businesses

06:07 Quality Control in Cannabis Cultivation

09:08 Scaling Challenges in Cannabis

11:56 The Importance of Team and Trust

15:07 Navigating Market Trends and Consumer Preferences

17:55 R&D in Cannabis: The Long Game

20:50 Collaboration and Community in the Cannabis Industry

23:58 Future Trends and Predictions

27:10 Lessons Learned and Final Thoughts

Guest Links:

• https://www.instagram.com/turndotme/
• https://www.youtube.com/@turndotme
• https://x.com/turndotme
• https://turn.me/
• https://madeforsmokers.com/
• https://www.instagram.com/YOUREMADE/

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"Bureaucracy defends the status quo long past the time when the quo has lost its status."
— Laurence J. Peter

Nowhere is that more evident than in cannabis, where local governments resist change, operators scramble for clarity, and policies shift overnight. The biggest mistake cannabis operators make? Waiting too long to ask for help.

Navigating cannabis regulations isn’t just about compliance—it’s a high-stakes game of politics, timing, and strategy. This week, we sit down with Jeff Guillot, Managing Partner of MAD Global Strategy, to expose the backroom battles.

• The biggest misconceptions about how cannabis laws are actually made
• Why local governments resist cannabis businesses (and how to change their minds)
• How lobbying really works—and who actually needs it in cannabis

Links

• https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-guillot-69266614/
• https://www.madglobalstrategy.com/

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Cannabis Politics and Advocacy

02:51 Navigating Government Affairs in Cannabis

06:12 The Importance of Proactive Representation

08:58 Understanding Uncertainty in Political Campaigns

12:06 Challenges in Legislative Advocacy

14:50 The Unique Landscape of Cannabis Legislation

17:57 Facilitating Change in Regulatory Bodies

20:51 The Art of Securing Meetings with Officials

24:07 Local Municipalities and Cannabis Confusion

29:10 Understanding Agency Incompetence and Public Education

34:11 Navigating Political Uncertainty and Renewable Energy

39:02 State Budget Proposals and Economic Development

40:59 Cannabis Regulation and Political Dynamics

44:48 The Future of Cannabis and Hemp Industries

52:08 Education Gaps in Cannabis Legislation

54:59 Expertise in Government and Politics

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Are you considering expanding to Germany? The answer should be yes.

As a brand or retailer, deciding where to grow is critical. California is the ultimate proving ground—fiercely competitive and filled with industry leaders. If you want to be a national player, is this where you make your mark?

But what about Germany? A high-potential market, still in its early stages, with adult-use legalization on the horizon. The demand for U.S. brands is clear, but how will regulations unfold, and what hurdles lie ahead?

This week, we sit down with Jamie Pearson to break it all down:

• Which companies should be thinking about Germany now
• Opportunities, risks, and how Germany compares to the U.S.
• How to get started and navigate regulations
• The sleeper market no one is talking about

⏱ [00:00 - 03:00] Introduction & Jamie Pearson’s Background

• Jamie’s journey into cannabis
• Why cannabis is harder than any other industry

⏱ [03:01 - 10:30] The Challenges of Running a Cannabis Business

• The legal vs. illegal market dilemma
• Why cannabis operators face unique financial struggles

⏱ [10:31 - 18:45] Raising Money in Cannabis: A Losing Battle?

• How funding works without traditional banking
• The risk investors take in the cannabis space

⏱ [18:46 - 25:30] Cannabis Brand Loyalty & Why It’s Different

• What makes a cannabis brand succeed
• The fine line between success & failure in branding

⏱ [25:31 - 32:15] Why the Next 5 Years Will Decide Everything

• The future of cannabis legalization & federal reform
• Who will survive, and who won’t in this industry

⏱ [32:16 - 38:50] Final Thoughts & Advice for Cannabis Operators

• What Jamie wishes more people knew about cannabis
• The one thing every entrepreneur in this space needs to prepare for

Guest Links:

• https://thetalmangroup.com/talman-house/
• https://internationalcbc.com/
• https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamielpearsonnhg/
• https://www.instagram.com/jboogie.22/
• https://x.com/jboogie5000
• https://www.linkedin.com/company/newholland-group/

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Everyone can agree—cannabis operates in a legal gray area. 

For starters, anyone in the industry is technically breaking federal law, as cannabis remains federally illegal. 

But for an in-house attorney at an MSO, the job isn’t just about navigating federal risk.

 It’s about understanding where gray meets red, balancing state-by-state regulations, and ensuring compliance across an industry with ever-changing rules—especially for a publicly traded company.

This week, we sit down with Dan Shapiro, EVP of Ascend Wellness, to break down:

• Understanding the legal gray areas in cannabis
• Shifting regulations, the Farm Bill, and Schedule 3
• Balancing legal risk and business strategy in a fragmented industry

About Ascend Wellness

AWH is a vertically integrated multistate cannabis operator with licenses and assets in Illinois, Michigan, Ohio, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Maryland. AWH owns and operates dispensaries and seven state-of-the-art cultivation facilities, growing award-winning strains and producing a curated selection of products for retail and wholesale customers. AWH produces and distributes its in-house Simply Herb, Ozone, Common Goods, Effin' and Royale branded products. AWH also produces and distributes products on behalf of its brand partners including Miss Grass, Lowell Smokes, Flower by Edie Parker, 1906, and AiroPro. For more information, visit www.awholdings.com.

Guest Links:

• https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-shapiro-78830026/
• https://www.awholdings.com/
• https://www.linkedin.com/company/ascendwellnessholdings
• https://x.com/AscendHoldings

Key Topics Discussed (AI Generated)

• Dan’s journey from law school to the cannabis industry
• His experience in highly regulated industries like aviation, insurance, and sports

• Balancing legal risk vs. business strategy
• How MSOs structure legal teams and compliance
• The complexities of managing multiple state regulations

• Why cannabis law lacks case precedent compared to other industries
• The challenge of interpreting regulations that are themselves unclear
• How MSOs make decisions with legal uncertainty

• The reality of operating in an industry that is still federally illegal
• How rescheduling (Schedule 3) could impact MSOs
• Banking & financial hurdles in cannabis

• How hemp-derived products challenge the traditional cannabis market
• The regulatory gaps between Farm Bill hemp and state-regulated cannabis
• How MSOs view hemp expansion

• Why no two states regulate cannabis the same way
• How MSOs strategize around shifting laws
• Scenario planning for regulatory changes

• How MSOs navigate ambiguous rules
• Balancing aggressive vs. conservative legal approaches
• Why legal teams in cannabis must be flexible

• Predictions for Schedule 3 and federal reform
• Why the industry needs more alignment for real progress
• Dan’s dream smoke session: Thomas Jefferson, Elvis Presley, and Tiger Woods

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Standard Operating Procedures—every company has them. But how do you maintain consistency when a single change can ripple across 14 states, 15 cultivation sites, and 150 retail locations?

Verano faces the challenge of creating continuity across a vast and diverse footprint. Each state presents unique regulations and operational nuances, yet the expectation for repeatability in product quality and customer experience remains unwavering.

Balancing automation, efficiency, and quality isn’t just a logistical feat—it’s a deliberate strategy rooted in precision and innovation. 

As Ray Dalio says, “Make sure everyone is in the right seat on the bus.” At Verano, this principle guides their team and processes, ensuring every product upholds the highest standards of excellence across the supply chain.

This week we sit down with Trip McDermott to discuss the following:

• An inside look at the role of a COO in an MSO
• The challenges and impact of changing an SOP
• Balancing automation, efficiency, and product quality
• Time Trials strategy for optimization

 Episode Highlights

 Tripp's Cannabis Journey (00:01:13)

• - Started in finance, working with oil and gas companies
• - Discovered cannabis industry in Colorado around 2014
• - Began networking and learning about the emerging market
• - Joined Verano in 2015 to help organize and streamline operations

Operational Excellence (00:36:00)

• - Focus on incorporating automation without compromising quality
• - Implementing detailed time trials and performance tracking
• - Developing consistent standard operating procedures (SOPs) across multiple states
• - Emphasis on employee empowerment and optimal team placement

 Product Innovation (00:33:23)

• - Coordinated multi-state product launches
• - Developing 2-gram vape pens under the Savvy brand
• - Innovative launch events like terpene bars
• - Introducing barrel-style pre-rolls

Future Vision (00:50:38)

• - Expanding product lines
• - Refining extraction processes
• - Potential state market expansions
• - Exploring brand partnerships and acquisitions

Guest Links:

• https://verano.com/
• https://www.linkedin.com/in/trip-mcdermott-2aa9a51a/
• https://www.instagram.com/veranobrands
• https://www.linkedin.com/company/verano-holdings/
• https://x.com/veranobrands

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