Ming Lee Hui, who goes by the name of “Carol,” has lived for 20 years in the town of Kennett, Missouri after coming here from Hong Kong. She has been raising a family there and works as a waitress, and as The New York Times reports in a piece featuring quotes from Carol and many locals, she’s well liked in the community. But Carol was recently arrested and now faces potential deportation. This has shocked and dismayed many of the town’s residents, even though the area went overwhelmingly for Trump. Carol talked to us on the podcast straight from jail, where she is awaiting her fate. At times the conversation was difficult: She broke down in tears about her ordeal, was emotionally overwhelmed at the support she’s received from the Trump-backing town, and offers wrenching thoughts about Trump’s effort to deport countless others just like her. 

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On the DSR Weekly Wrap-Up for Friday, we cover Israel’s acceptance of a US ceasefire proposal, the madness of the One Big Beautiful Bill, the legal tug-of-war over tariffs, and more. 

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Trump’s grand tour of the Middle East is over. So how did it go? Trump seems to have a knack for diplomacy in the region, but there’s more to the story. Steven Cook from the Council on Foreign Relations joins David Rothkopf to break down the President’s trip and why the Trump brand of diplomacy is so unique in its successes and failures. 

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Generative AI has been hailed as a landmark technology that will revolutionize society. But how revolutionary is it really? Is there too much hype, not enough, or a combination of both? Founder and CEO of AutogenAI Sean Williams joins David Rothkopf to explore the impact of AI from proposal writing to the business world at large. 

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President Donald Trump’s advisers are raging over a court ruling that temporarily blocked many of Trump’s tariffs. Stephen Miller called it “judicial tyranny.” Another top adviser called the judges “globalist.” And press secretary Karoline Leavitt seethed that “unelected judges” have grown “dangerous.” While an appeals court did put a stay on the court ruling, letting the tariffs proceed for now, it’s now overwhelmingly clear the tariffs are extremely vulnerable legally, and the whiplash in the courts only underscores what a fiasco of uncertainty Trump unleashed. Our trading partners now think their hand has been strengthened in trade talks, revealing more weakness. We talked to George Mason University’s Ilya Somin, a lead lawyer for the challengers, about why the ruling is crushing for Trump’s case, what it reveals about his broader abuses of power, and how he still can be stopped.

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There are strange things afoot in DC this week. From flip-flopping tariffs to alleged illicit relations in Trump’s inner circle, what the hell is going on in our nation’s capital? The Daily Beast’s David Gardner and Rosa Brooks join David Rothkopf to try and get to the bottom of all this and more. 

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On this week’s episode of Words Matter, Leah Litman, legal expert and author of Lawless: How the Supreme Court Runs on Conservative Grievance, Fringe Theories, and Bad Vibes, joins David Rothkopf and Norm Ornstein to discuss the current realm of law and lawlessness. What messages are the courts sending by striking down Trump’s tariff policies? How promising is it that these judges are standing up to Trump, and what major concerns still remain, even with these recent steps forward? Tune in as Leah, Norm and David discuss all this and more.

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On the DSR Daily for Thursday, we break down a panel of judges blocking Trump’s tariffs, Elon Musk parting ways with the administration, a crackdown on Chinese student visas, and more. 

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In a series of rants to reporters, President Trump’s rage at Harvard took a sadistic and unhinged turn. He made it clear that only total subjugation to him on Harvard’s part will satisfy him. This comes as a judge just blocked another one of his executive orders aimed at grinding a major law firm into submission, a big setback to Trump in a string of legal losses on that front. In today’s episode, Katherine Stewart, a sharp observer of MAGA who has a new piece on her Substack about the Harvard catastrophe, explains that these things are connected: Trump’s attacks on Harvard and other institutions are about creating the deliberate impression that we’re sliding into lawlessness and terror, so victories like that one in court are a crucial reminder that we still do have the rule of law. Stewart explains why keeping alive this idea is so essential, why Trump is counting on you to lose sight of it, and what must happen now.

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On the DSR Daily for Wednesday, we cover Putins ridiculous conditions for peace, the Trump administration asking the Supreme Court to allow South Sudan deportations, the US temporarily pausing new visa interviews for students, and more. 

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